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6/28/2009  11:47 AM
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Hill isn't Amare. Amare is a good bit more explosive and powerful but I like Hill's offensive skills. He's already better than Lee IMO offensively. If Lee had a turnaround jumper he'd be an All Star. We need Hill's help defense. I'm sure he's got a lot to learn about man D but so do a lot of rooks.

I wonder about Hill's BB IQ? Will he be able to grasp the intricacies of MDA's system and make key passes?

the same questions surrounded Amare when he came into the NBA... there's no telling how good Hill is gonna be, it's up to him to work hard & build up his body & improve his skills like Amare did... i agree w/u he's not quite as explosive as Amare was but there's no reason for anyone to assume this kid won't be able to succeed in MDA's system.

sure there is.

Steve Nash isn't in NY and Hill won't face 6'7 frontlines in the NBA
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6/28/2009  11:47 AM
I've just gotten sick and tired of having hope and faith in the players the Knicks have drafted throughout the years, and then end up hating them. John Wallace, Walter McCarty, Weis, Sweetney, Frye, Balkman.

Hill and Gallo - please for once pan out and help turn this organization around.
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6/28/2009  12:27 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

Hill isn't Amare. Amare is a good bit more explosive and powerful but I like Hill's offensive skills. He's already better than Lee IMO offensively. If Lee had a turnaround jumper he'd be an All Star. We need Hill's help defense. I'm sure he's got a lot to learn about man D but so do a lot of rooks.

I wonder about Hill's BB IQ? Will he be able to grasp the intricacies of MDA's system and make key passes?

the same questions surrounded Amare when he came into the NBA... there's no telling how good Hill is gonna be, it's up to him to work hard & build up his body & improve his skills like Amare did... i agree w/u he's not quite as explosive as Amare was but there's no reason for anyone to assume this kid won't be able to succeed in MDA's system.

Marty Blake's 2002 NBA Draft Scouting reports on the top forwards of the draft in order


Drew Gooden
Gooden broke the hearts of Kansas fans by coming out early, but the move was expected. He evolved into the premier power forward in college basketball with his combination of quickness and leaping ability. He's tough to defend in the post, and he can also step out and face the basket. He'll be a solid pro.

Chris Wilcox
Wilcox is a great athlete who can run and leap with anyone. Those skills make him an acrobatic finisher on the break. Wilcox has good touch in the post and he can also block shots.

Maybyner Hilario
Hilario's game needs refinement, but he reminds some observers of a young Hakeem Olajuwon.

Jared Jeffries
Jeffries has skills most players his size can only dream about. He's savvy, quick, can handle the basketball, pass and shoot from the perimeter. Jeffries doesn't mind battling for rebounds, though he could stand to gain size and strength. Bottom line, he’s an athletic big man who can post up, something the Wizards need.

Amare Stoudemire
Stoudemire bypassed the University of Memphis, which was understandable given his size and skills. He's intense and aggressive, rebounds well and blocks shots. He's a power dunker who clears people out on his way to the rim. Stoudemire needs work on his ball handling and perimeter shot. Unfortunately, that’s about all he does right now. One scout last fall termed his overall game "clueless."
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6/28/2009  12:35 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

Hill isn't Amare. Amare is a good bit more explosive and powerful but I like Hill's offensive skills. He's already better than Lee IMO offensively. If Lee had a turnaround jumper he'd be an All Star. We need Hill's help defense. I'm sure he's got a lot to learn about man D but so do a lot of rooks.

I wonder about Hill's BB IQ? Will he be able to grasp the intricacies of MDA's system and make key passes?

the same questions surrounded Amare when he came into the NBA... there's no telling how good Hill is gonna be, it's up to him to work hard & build up his body & improve his skills like Amare did... i agree w/u he's not quite as explosive as Amare was but there's no reason for anyone to assume this kid won't be able to succeed in MDA's system.

Marty Blake's 2002 NBA Draft Scouting reports on the top forwards of the draft in order

Jared Jeffries
Jeffries has skills most players his size can only dream about. He's savvy, quick, can handle the basketball, pass and shoot from the perimeter. Jeffries doesn't mind battling for rebounds, though he could stand to gain size and strength. Bottom line, he’s an athletic big man who can post up, something the Wizards need.

LMAO.
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Amare Stoudemire
Stoudemire bypassed the University of Memphis, which was understandable given his size and skills. He's intense and aggressive, rebounds well and blocks shots. He's a power dunker who clears people out on his way to the rim. Stoudemire needs work on his ball handling and perimeter shot. Unfortunately, that’s about all he does right now. One scout last fall termed his overall game "clueless."

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6/28/2009  12:38 PM
Amare was VERY raw to be sure. There was no way to know he'd develope the way he did. Hill has at least shown some growth so far and he's still got upside. He's got the things we need, size, length, speed, hops, a nice stroke and shot blocking. If he gets any better we'll have a good player.
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6/28/2009  12:42 PM
hill and amare took very different routes to the NBA. jennings more compares to Stat right now than Hill.

Jus like being 6'10 athletic with a jump shot doesn't make you Mikki Moore it doesn't make you Amare either.
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6/28/2009  12:49 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

Hill isn't Amare. Amare is a good bit more explosive and powerful but I like Hill's offensive skills. He's already better than Lee IMO offensively. If Lee had a turnaround jumper he'd be an All Star. We need Hill's help defense. I'm sure he's got a lot to learn about man D but so do a lot of rooks.

I wonder about Hill's BB IQ? Will he be able to grasp the intricacies of MDA's system and make key passes?

the same questions surrounded Amare when he came into the NBA... there's no telling how good Hill is gonna be, it's up to him to work hard & build up his body & improve his skills like Amare did... i agree w/u he's not quite as explosive as Amare was but there's no reason for anyone to assume this kid won't be able to succeed in MDA's system.

sure there is.

Steve Nash isn't in NY and Hill won't face 6'7 frontlines in the NBA

so because Nash isn't in NY (which btw, weren't u arguing w/me on the other thread against getting him?), Hill will never be successful in MDA's system?
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6/28/2009  12:51 PM
Posted by McK1:

hill and amare took very different routes to the NBA. jennings more compares to Stat right now than Hill.

Jus like being 6'10 athletic with a jump shot doesn't make you Mikki Moore it doesn't make you Amare either.

no it doesn't... i never said it did... Hill will need to work hard & improve his skills, but i don't think u can assume he will never be able to be an Allstar calibre player like Amare was able to become w/similar hard work on his game.
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6/28/2009  1:01 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Amare was VERY raw to be sure. There was no way to know he'd develope the way he did. Hill has at least shown some growth so far and he's still got upside. He's got the things we need, size, length, speed, hops, a nice stroke and shot blocking. If he gets any better we'll have a good player.

right now Hill's midrange J is better than Amare's was coming into the NBA... to be fair Amare was 2 years younger than Hill will be during his rookie year... Amare was the more explosive athlete & stronger overall, but w/work on his conditioning i see no reason to think Hill can't gain similar strength in his game... Jordan Hill is already a good player... w/hard work he'll become very good or maybe great, who knows? no one does, so we need to stop pretending like we can place a cap on this kid's upside... from all of his interviews i've ever seen him give & from all the accounts of him i've heard from coaches & scouts, he seems like he's ready to do the work necessary to become the best player he can be... he's already shown marked improvement in his game from his freshman year to his sophomore year at Arizona like nixluva just mentioned... if he continues to work hard i can easily see him being a similar double double machine like D Lee was for us last year & he'll provide shotblocking to boot, which is clearly 1 of our main needs... people that are down on this guy & make Mikki Moore projections makes me scratch my head... other than the hair i don't see many similarities to him at all.
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6/28/2009  1:04 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

Hill isn't Amare. Amare is a good bit more explosive and powerful but I like Hill's offensive skills. He's already better than Lee IMO offensively. If Lee had a turnaround jumper he'd be an All Star. We need Hill's help defense. I'm sure he's got a lot to learn about man D but so do a lot of rooks.

I wonder about Hill's BB IQ? Will he be able to grasp the intricacies of MDA's system and make key passes?

the same questions surrounded Amare when he came into the NBA... there's no telling how good Hill is gonna be, it's up to him to work hard & build up his body & improve his skills like Amare did... i agree w/u he's not quite as explosive as Amare was but there's no reason for anyone to assume this kid won't be able to succeed in MDA's system.

sure there is.

Steve Nash isn't in NY and Hill won't face 6'7 frontlines in the NBA

so because Nash isn't in NY (which btw, weren't u arguing w/me on the other thread against getting him?), Hill will never be successful in MDA's system?

no. I argued against giving up Lee and Nate to get him.

and

no Hill won't be successful in God's offense without Nash or some other top flight pg to create for him.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-28-2009 1:04 PM]
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

Hill isn't Amare. Amare is a good bit more explosive and powerful but I like Hill's offensive skills. He's already better than Lee IMO offensively. If Lee had a turnaround jumper he'd be an All Star. We need Hill's help defense. I'm sure he's got a lot to learn about man D but so do a lot of rooks.

I wonder about Hill's BB IQ? Will he be able to grasp the intricacies of MDA's system and make key passes?

the same questions surrounded Amare when he came into the NBA... there's no telling how good Hill is gonna be, it's up to him to work hard & build up his body & improve his skills like Amare did... i agree w/u he's not quite as explosive as Amare was but there's no reason for anyone to assume this kid won't be able to succeed in MDA's system.

Marty Blake's 2002 NBA Draft Scouting reports on the top forwards of the draft in order

Jared Jeffries
Jeffries has skills most players his size can only dream about. He's savvy, quick, can handle the basketball, pass and shoot from the perimeter. Jeffries doesn't mind battling for rebounds, though he could stand to gain size and strength. Bottom line, he’s an athletic big man who can post up, something the Wizards need.

LMAO.

Yeah. Scouting reports across the board had Jeffries as one of the best forwards period. Able to do it all. High BB IQ. It is amazing what has happen to his game once he stepped on the NBA court. Every year his skills regress and it is amazing. I recall him being able to shoot the mid range jumper, post up and had a decent spin move. I think he took some bad drugs or hit his head on a serious note. You don't lose ability like that without something dramatic happening. I never got the Nene comparisons to Hakeem but they were giving it to him.
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6/28/2009  1:11 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

Hill isn't Amare. Amare is a good bit more explosive and powerful but I like Hill's offensive skills. He's already better than Lee IMO offensively. If Lee had a turnaround jumper he'd be an All Star. We need Hill's help defense. I'm sure he's got a lot to learn about man D but so do a lot of rooks.

I wonder about Hill's BB IQ? Will he be able to grasp the intricacies of MDA's system and make key passes?

the same questions surrounded Amare when he came into the NBA... there's no telling how good Hill is gonna be, it's up to him to work hard & build up his body & improve his skills like Amare did... i agree w/u he's not quite as explosive as Amare was but there's no reason for anyone to assume this kid won't be able to succeed in MDA's system.

sure there is.

Steve Nash isn't in NY and Hill won't face 6'7 frontlines in the NBA

so because Nash isn't in NY (which btw, weren't u arguing w/me on the other thread against getting him?), Hill will never be successful in MDA's system?

no. I argued against giving up Lee and Nate to get him.

and

no Hill won't be successful in God's offense without Nash or some other top flight pg to create for him.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-28-2009 1:04 PM]

that's garbage... u don't know if Hill will grow into a player that can u can dump the ball to down low & let him get off his shot anymore than i do... he's shown ability to get off his shot against double teams in the post already in several games he played last year... he's already got a nice turn around midrange J that he can use to score on guys in the paint & he's tenacious going after his own missed shots & putbacks... who's to say he can't succeed w/even Chris Duhon playing alongside him? if D Lee could put up #'s w/Duhon don't tell me Jordan Hill won't... that's just nonsense.
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6/28/2009  1:24 PM
David Lee has shown he can score since his rookie season.

what hill did over 6'7 frontlines is impressive.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-28-2009 1:26 PM]
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u mean the season when he averaged 5 pts in 17 mpg?
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u mean the season when he averaged 5 pts in 17 mpg?

7 and 7 on 64% shooting in 14 games as a starter. too bad LB was busy warring with Steph to put more an emphasis on W's that season.
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i didn't say it was bad, but it's nowhere near the #'s he put up playing w/Duhon in MDA's system, now is it?
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6/28/2009  1:49 PM
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i didn't say it was bad, but it's nowhere near the #'s he put up playing w/Duhon in MDA's system, now is it?

he was the focus this season.

even as a 4th option under IT's disfunction he scored 11 a game off the bench.
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6/28/2009  1:52 PM
& who's to say Jordan Hill can't replicate or better those numbers?
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6/28/2009  1:57 PM
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& who's to say Jordan Hill can't replicate or better those numbers?

all the loser bigs who came out of the pac 10 the past ten years.
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