Knicks to pick Stephen Curry with 8th pick?
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PresIke
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5/12/2009 11:13 AM
again, if jennings is there at 8, i probably take him over curry.
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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orangeblobman
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5/12/2009 11:22 AM
i noticed jenning's court vision in that video as well, though it seems that he is insecure and not playing with a lot of confidence. some of those passes, like the one where his defender just took it from mid air, are just rookie mistakes. he can obviously play and has lots of potential.
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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PresIke
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5/12/2009 11:29 AM
a few other things...
1) you can see how good he is at dribble penetration, and he is far more of a threat to score than duhon, or dish to the right guy than nate. 2) on one play in the first video where he gets beat on a play after he takes a off-balance jumper and his guy scores, he then INSTANTLY took the ball and while the other dude was celebrating just a bit, FLEW back down the court, and scored on a layup that was goaltended. both of these are HIGHLY valuable in d'antoni's system, i think, because this is exactly what allowed nash to excel and help others. he needs to work on better shot selection off those hesitations (reminds me a bit of jamal), but the fact is he looks to pass a lot more than craw ever did, so i could live with that a little bit, especially if he can improve his jumper and not take so many awkward fade aways. yet this also might have to do with his lack of size/strength (which is normal at his young age and will probably change), as you see him get banged all over the place on his dribble penetrations to the basket. i think his body is still pretty weak and in a very physical game like the euro game, it might have been a tough adjustment from high school size players. but despite that he seemed fearless going to the hole even though he was getting killed on many plays, or very aggressively guarded. that's a good sign to me. [Edited by - PresIke on 05-12-2009 11:51 AM] Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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PresIke
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5/12/2009 11:33 AM
yeah, well, in fairness to him, he's a boy amongst men in a foreign country with a very different style of play and a coach that had him on a short leash.
when you feel you might get pulled easily it can affect your confidence as a young player. i did see that, but you also see a lot of confidence in other areas, and you have to expect that kind of insecurity to change as one gets more comfortable playing in a given circumstance. to me this is actually a good thing for a young star player to experience. it can really be humbling, and if he played in ncaa hoops he would have NEVER experienced this, and been treated like royalty. this is actually one of the big reasons i think jennings might be very good. it will allow him to develop mentally more so, because he will get plenty of chances to "be the man" with his skill level as he ages. look at how it can be a huge problem for some guys to get so bloated in the head, especially pgs...who need to be good team players. steph, franchise, etc. just some i can think of. [Edited by - PresIke on 05-12-2009 11:34 AM] Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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orangeblobman
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5/12/2009 11:47 AM
good point. im sold on jennings.
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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JohnWallace44
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5/12/2009 12:10 PM
I like those highlights - they show both sides of it
dude is quick I'm surprised that he takes some of those crazy fadeaways outside of the offense Alan Hahn:
Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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Ira
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5/12/2009 1:00 PM
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Paladin55
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5/12/2009 1:19 PM
Posted by PresIke: I think the Knicks would be afraid of Jennings' jumper and a tendency to do too much ball handling. I would say that there is virtually no chance the Knicks will take him over Curry if they are both available. No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
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JohnWallace44
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5/12/2009 1:25 PM
Ira...
Magic was huge - that's why I would rather take Evans than Curry Jax was a physical nyc PG - that's why I'd rather take Holiday Nash was a pure PG with great handle - that's why I'd rather take Jennings Price had a big heart and basketball IQ - that's why I'd rather have Flynn Also, we're just begging to get beat on defense with Curry with an already challenged team. Evans and Holiday would have a size advantage, Jennings would have a quickness advantage. Curry's going to get beat. How can that be a question? Going back to some of the questions above - if Curry is Heyward Bey - then Evans is Crabtree. If you're sold on Curry you have to trade down from a value perspective and from a salary cap impact perspective. Why pay Curry Gallo $ when you can select him later and pay him Chandler $? From every angle. A Curry selection at #8 is just insane to me. Alan Hahn:
Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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tkf
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5/12/2009 1:47 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44: And that scares me.. some will just brush it off to youth, I say, this is how he plays. He played this way in HS and now he is a PROFESSIONAL, and he is still doing the same things.. that fadeaway, one kick, brick he shoots is not pretty and spells trouble.. Is it correctable? yes, but I also thought Jamal crawford's floaters and odd shots were correctable as well.. Jennings is quick, can dribble and pass, but what does he do that is special? just asking.. there are quite a few guys in this draft who would look as good in that euro league.... Just put curry in his place in those games... do you not think he would have a field day? Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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JohnWallace44
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5/12/2009 2:01 PM
TKF, it scares me a little. So do little things about Evans and Maynor and Teague.
What you have with some of these guys that you don't with Curry is raw ability. You're not going to teach Curry size or speed or vertical jump. Kobe took insane shots and became a superstar. Crawford took crazy shots and got marginally better. Mr Mustache, and Reddick took crazy shots in college and made most of them. Now they can't make them. That's more of the worry I have with Curry. Alan Hahn:
Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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tkf
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5/12/2009 2:12 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44: good point about kobe.. but in all fairness, kobe had all of these guys good qualities wrapped up in one.. there were less question marks with kobe. Mr Mustache, and Reddick took crazy shots in college and made most of them. Now they can't make them. That's more of the worry I have with Curry. true, and both were with very good teams and one with a legendary program... steph did all of the things he did, against all odds... honestly, do you think either morrison or reddick leads the nation in scoring had they played with davidson? Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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TheGame
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5/12/2009 2:15 PM
To chime in, I think the difference between Curry and an Eddie House or a Reddick, is that Curry has shown he can play pg. This dude has been playing pg all season and has decent assists numbers, while still being the primary option on offense. This dude can flat out score and he has an NBA pedigree that suggests to me that he is not going to pull a disappearing act like Reddick or Trajon Langdon, when he gets into the pros. I don't want anymore potential picks. Go get someone who actually knows how to play BB and has an advanced skill. Curry IS the best shooter in college basketball and may be the best shooter to come out of college in the past 10 years. The only reason I would not take is if Walsh determines that he does not have the lateral quickness to guard opposing PGs. We don't need another defensive liability. But everything I have heard and seen suggests that he will at least be a solid, if not above-average, defender.
Trust the Process
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EwingsGlass
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5/12/2009 2:26 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44: You know, if any of Magic, Nash, Jax or Price or any other great PG were available in this draft, I might actually draft them. Unfortunately, we have to select from a limited pool of players and we only have the 8th pick. That said, what has Jennings shown in his time overseas? Not very much. Alothough, his personality and character traits have not been positive. I like Tyreke Evans because you can't teach size-- I wouldn't be unhappy with him, but he is a project not contributor right now. Flynn is way too undersized... you can't say you like Evans for his size and then act like Flynn's size isn't an issue. As for basketball IQ, of all the things Curry brings to the table, that seems to be his best asset. Secondary to that is his tremendous shooting ability. You appear to be tainted by thoughts of Marbury. Having a PG that can shoot is not the same has having a shoot-first PG. This system was made for smart players that can pass and shoot. It is intended to have those types of players at every position. Curry isn't a bunt. He's a single or a double. Not a certain HR... but some of the guys you are naming are nothing more than big swings for the fences. There is no certainty they will connect. Gallo was a big swing also... I don't like taking too many big swings... there is a greater liklihood of striking out. Can't talk about trading down to get Curry until after the lotter and the combine. You know I gonna spin wit it
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DrAlphaeus
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5/12/2009 2:34 PM
Posted by McK1: Wow, that was pretty funny and amazingly dorky. Stephen Curry is no Shaquille O'Neal. Baba Booey 2016 — "It's Silly Season"
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Knicks to pick Stephen Curry with 8th pick?