Posted by PresIke:

BRIGGS, i want to say, i very much respect your college game observations, but maybe consider just because you haven't seen much of him doesn't necessarily mean he's not that good.

Posted by PresIke:

phar, i guess the question is are folks suggesting that european players are somehow more fragile than american players?

i just don't see how that is anywhere near as plausible, in all honesty.

i wanted to imply that had we seen gallo healthy during the year maybe we would have seen more reason to not be so freaked out. i didn't actually say anything about the cause of the injury. franco wrote this:

much of what was said here in this thread about Rubio was also said about Gallo- oh, he's played against men, tougher competition, upside, etc.

I'm not saying its not true, and I am not saying Gallo is a bust, but I would be very uneasy about the selection were we to find ourselves able to select him.

what's the implication here have to do with him being injured in summer league? we can talk semantics...sure gallo seemed "healthy" when he came, but the fact remains he was not for pretty much the entire season, so we didn't get to see what he can really do on the court.

and again...why is gallo being compared to rubio?

should all white players be compared to larry bird & steven nash or mark eaton and danny ferry? (if you catch my drift)

also, sergio fernandez isn't doing so bad and he was the 24th pick.

delfino is not anywhere near as high of a prospect as rubio.

you guys don't have to take my word for it...

i mean, why is he rated as a top pick by so many draft boards and "experts" if he isn't that good?

this isn't even coming from d'antoni's scouting, this is coming from many sources.

teams are much more careful about drafting international players now, i would think, since skita and darko.

we also have nowitzki, yao (who was also questioned repeatedly by so many guys...remember how players talked smack about dunking on him), ginobli, gasol, parker, etc. etc.

there are plenty of very good international players in the league.

the fear of rubio being the bad one's seems silly when we can list just as many hyped, and highly drafted american players who haven't amounted to jack in the nba.

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-09-2009 10:51 PM]

Posted by franco12:

Posted by PresIke:

phar, i guess the question is are folks suggesting that european players are somehow more fragile than american players?

i just don't see how that is anywhere near as plausible, in all honesty.

i wanted to imply that had we seen gallo healthy during the year maybe we would have seen more reason to not be so freaked out. i didn't actually say anything about the cause of the injury. franco wrote this:

much of what was said here in this thread about Rubio was also said about Gallo- oh, he's played against men, tougher competition, upside, etc.

I'm not saying its not true, and I am not saying Gallo is a bust, but I would be very uneasy about the selection were we to find ourselves able to select him.

what's the implication here have to do with him being injured in summer league? we can talk semantics...sure gallo seemed "healthy" when he came, but the fact remains he was not for pretty much the entire season, so we didn't get to see what he can really do on the court.

and again...why is gallo being compared to rubio?

should all white players be compared to larry bird & steven nash or mark eaton and danny ferry? (if you catch my drift)

also, sergio fernandez isn't doing so bad and he was the 24th pick.

delfino is not anywhere near as high of a prospect as rubio.

you guys don't have to take my word for it...

i mean, why is he rated as a top pick by so many draft boards and "experts" if he isn't that good?

this isn't even coming from d'antoni's scouting, this is coming from many sources.

teams are much more careful about drafting international players now, i would think, since skita and darko.

we also have nowitzki, yao (who was also questioned repeatedly by so many guys...remember how players talked smack about dunking on him), ginobli, gasol, parker, etc. etc.

there are plenty of very good international players in the league.

the fear of rubio being the bad one's seems silly when we can list just as many hyped, and highly drafted american players who haven't amounted to jack in the nba.

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-09-2009 10:51 PM]

I'm comparing Gallo to Rubio because they are both foreign players and many of the same things are being said about them. They are/were also very young. To me, Rubio is a bigger unknown that any of the college kids that might be available.

I am not saying he might not be the best prospect in the draft. But after how Gallo has turned out, sorry, call me jaded.

Give me thabeet and a late first round PG and I'll be happy.

Posted by Pharzeone:

To me Rubio is a very good prospect at a position needed so I would think it is a no brainer. I just disagree with JohnWallace about giving up your roster to get him.

Posted by lumbardar:

One other thing how many of you guys willing to wait on these european prospects they take long time to develop. Personally we don't have time to wait on these players if we are trying to get lebron james. Do you really think he would want to play with rubio and gallanari or gallari and griffin. I would go with gallanari and griffin.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

That's going to be complex because you'd have to do a Nate trade in August, and by that time the other team's fanbase is going to be excited about Rubio.

I wonder if we would move Chandler if it really came down to it.

Maybe the #8 + Chandler for the #2 and a 2010 pick.

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by BRIGGS:

-->if he were in college here folks would be salivating over him.


Why do you say this? What team would he start for? Do you think he could start over a Ty Lawson right now at NC? Have you seen him start for anyone and play a full game?

Do you actually believe this when you write it??!!

Would you rather have had Rubio or Willie Warren playing PG with the Griffin boys against NC? And in the finals do you think that Michigan State could have used a guard who didn't turn the ball over if he got looked at the wrong way?

Rubio is not a finished product by any means because he still lacks a consistent jumper, but what college guard has the court sense and passing ability that Rubio already has at age 18?