Good god Bonn, Lamar is in not better, or even nearly as good as Pau gasol. Get a grip man!

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Since he was inserted into the starting line up--he has led the entire NBA in rebounding at over 14 a game. That isn't a hot streak stat--that is an effort stat. LA is also 13-2 18 points 14 reb 3 assists and a block--not bad--I think that could help any team:) how much could that help this team. It would bring it to another level.

Odom is a good player with star talent, it is not a surprise to me that he can put up numbers. But you have to look at his career, not just a snippet where he is playing out of his mind. Didn't he fade in last year's finals?

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Posted by Bonn1997:

Why was Lamar ever coming off the bench? Why on earth would you start Luke Walton ahead of him?

Briggs, since you watch them a lot, do you think Lamar is better than Pau? I think Lamar could start at the 3, but if they insisted on playing him at the 4, I'm not even convinced that Pau is better than Lamar and that Pau should have been the one starting with Lamar coming off the bench.

This is very uniformed. Lamar is a PF. He plays PF for the Lakers. The reason why he was on the bench was they wanted him as sixth man or first big off the bench. When Bynum got hurt--they moved Pau to C and LO to starting 4. Luke Walton has nothing to do with what LO does.

He's played SF many times in his career. Your comment seems uninformed with regard to Lamar Odom's history and with regard to what most teams do when they have two PFs who are substantially better than any of their SFs. Usually a PF will be played at SF anyway if he's much better overall than your next best option like Luke Walton. If Larry Johnson on a bad back could play SF, I'm sure Lamar could.

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Posted by Bonn1997:

Why was Lamar ever coming off the bench? Why on earth would you start Luke Walton ahead of him?

Briggs, since you watch them a lot, do you think Lamar is better than Pau? I think Lamar could start at the 3, but if they insisted on playing him at the 4, I'm not even convinced that Pau is better than Lamar and that Pau should have been the one starting with Lamar coming off the bench.

This is very uniformed. Lamar is a PF. He plays PF for the Lakers. The reason why he was on the bench was they wanted him as sixth man or first big off the bench. When Bynum got hurt--they moved Pau to C and LO to starting 4. Luke Walton has nothing to do with what LO does.

He's played SF many times in his career. Your comment seems uninformed with regard to Lamar Odom's history and with regard to what most teams do when they have two PFs who are substantially better than any of their SFs. Usually a PF will be played at SF anyway if he's much better overall than your next best option like Luke Walton. If Larry Johnson on a bad back could play SF, I'm sure Lamar could.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-28-2009 10:07 AM]

Bonn Lamar plays PF for the Lakers--no other position. Trevor Ariza and Luke Walton play SF. Josh Powell is the third big now. Phil Jackson is the coach. Believe me.

And it's pretty much besides the point anyway. Ginobli and Jason Terry also come off the bench, also behind much worse players. If Odom started, with Bynum, Gasol, and Kobe, there are just too many mouths to feed. Bring him off the bench and now he's the leader with the ball in his hands most of the time.

Plus, Gasol is signed long term and Odom is not. I think the Lakers probably realize that he's a goner at the end of the year, so why start him? If the Lakers are retaining a free agent from their team next year, it's going to Ariza who will be a lot cheaper and who will fit a much larger need.

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Posted by djsunyc:

nobody is going to be signed for multiple years this summer. so forget odom coming to ny unless he accepts a 1 year deal. they are not going to jeopardize 2010 and nate will be a casualty.

it's pretty clear Donnie's not gonna muck up the 2010 plan for anyone short of a superstar player... i dunno why people waste their time with alternate plans when they know it won't go down like that.

You know what is funny--Lamar odom is a superstar especially in this type of system. If anyone doubts what I say I would suggest watching a tape of last night's Lakers game. The guy is the most versatile PF in the league with skills that are off the charts. He's not Lebron James but he's in the next tier under him--he's better than Joe Johnson. I don't know what the Lakers are going to do. It will be interesting how things play out but they are so far up in the salary cap as is--and Kobe can opt for a raise as well. It depends on what the few teams with cap space do. After that he really may be looking at some kind of MLE deal with an early opt out--maybe the Lakers sign him to a 1 year 10mm $ deal but it would cost them 20mm$. If I was Lamar I would take the FULL MLE with an early opt out if there is no money on the table. Secure 35mm$ and see if I can get a better deal IF the economy changes in the next 2 years. the MLE might look like a fat contract in 3 years.

Donnie Walsh is not gonna sacrifice the 2010 plan for Lamar Odom, i'm sorry to break the news to you... Walsh is on a mission to free up as much cap space as possible right now... don't u see the pattern w/every acquisition he's made since taking this job? no contracts that extend past 2010... zero... he values that flexibility over any player short of superstar level talent & indicated as much with every public statement he's made since he got here... there's 1 way Lamar Odom will ever become a Knick, & that's if some type of sign & trade is made w/the Knicks... they're not gonna straight out sign the guy unless they dump a ton of cap before doing so.

You keep saying things like this, but then why didn't he utilize Nate's contract to get rid of Jeffries in a trade with Sacramento? Why do we keep hearing so much about him wanting to resign David Lee?

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Posted by djsunyc:

nobody is going to be signed for multiple years this summer. so forget odom coming to ny unless he accepts a 1 year deal. they are not going to jeopardize 2010 and nate will be a casualty.

it's pretty clear Donnie's not gonna muck up the 2010 plan for anyone short of a superstar player... i dunno why people waste their time with alternate plans when they know it won't go down like that.

You know what is funny--Lamar odom is a superstar especially in this type of system. If anyone doubts what I say I would suggest watching a tape of last night's Lakers game. The guy is the most versatile PF in the league with skills that are off the charts. He's not Lebron James but he's in the next tier under him--he's better than Joe Johnson. I don't know what the Lakers are going to do. It will be interesting how things play out but they are so far up in the salary cap as is--and Kobe can opt for a raise as well. It depends on what the few teams with cap space do. After that he really may be looking at some kind of MLE deal with an early opt out--maybe the Lakers sign him to a 1 year 10mm $ deal but it would cost them 20mm$. If I was Lamar I would take the FULL MLE with an early opt out if there is no money on the table. Secure 35mm$ and see if I can get a better deal IF the economy changes in the next 2 years. the MLE might look like a fat contract in 3 years.

Donnie Walsh is not gonna sacrifice the 2010 plan for Lamar Odom, i'm sorry to break the news to you... Walsh is on a mission to free up as much cap space as possible right now... don't u see the pattern w/every acquisition he's made since taking this job? no contracts that extend past 2010... zero... he values that flexibility over any player short of superstar level talent & indicated as much with every public statement he's made since he got here... there's 1 way Lamar Odom will ever become a Knick, & that's if some type of sign & trade is made w/the Knicks... they're not gonna straight out sign the guy unless they dump a ton of cap before doing so.

You keep saying things like this, but then why didn't he utilize Nate's contract to get rid of Jeffries in a trade with Sacramento? Why do we keep hearing so much about him wanting to resign David Lee?

Because Walsh is only human and getting rid of two gigantic contracts in just a few months was more than anyone expected. Or maybe because doing that was unnecessary, as we can keep Nate and Lee and still have the flexibility to easily get under the cap by enough to sign a max contract FA.

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Posted by Bonn1997:

Why was Lamar ever coming off the bench? Why on earth would you start Luke Walton ahead of him?

Briggs, since you watch them a lot, do you think Lamar is better than Pau? I think Lamar could start at the 3, but if they insisted on playing him at the 4, I'm not even convinced that Pau is better than Lamar and that Pau should have been the one starting with Lamar coming off the bench.

This is very uniformed. Lamar is a PF. He plays PF for the Lakers. The reason why he was on the bench was they wanted him as sixth man or first big off the bench. When Bynum got hurt--they moved Pau to C and LO to starting 4. Luke Walton has nothing to do with what LO does.

He's played SF many times in his career. Your comment seems uninformed with regard to Lamar Odom's history and with regard to what most teams do when they have two PFs who are substantially better than any of their SFs. Usually a PF will be played at SF anyway if he's much better overall than your next best option like Luke Walton. If Larry Johnson on a bad back could play SF, I'm sure Lamar could.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-28-2009 10:07 AM]

Bonn Lamar plays PF for the Lakers--no other position. Trevor Ariza and Luke Walton play SF. Josh Powell is the third big now. Phil Jackson is the coach. Believe me.

And it's pretty much besides the point anyway. Ginobli and Jason Terry also come off the bench, also behind much worse players. If Odom started, with Bynum, Gasol, and Kobe, there are just too many mouths to feed. Bring him off the bench and now he's the leader with the ball in his hands most of the time.

Plus, Gasol is signed long term and Odom is not. I think the Lakers probably realize that he's a goner at the end of the year, so why start him? If the Lakers are retaining a free agent from their team next year, it's going to Ariza who will be a lot cheaper and who will fit a much larger need.

And those guys have shown they can thrive in a 6th man role. Odom was putting up 9 points, 6 rbs, and 2 assists off the bench. It was clear they were not getting anything close to his capabilities out of him in that role.

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Posted by djsunyc:

nobody is going to be signed for multiple years this summer. so forget odom coming to ny unless he accepts a 1 year deal. they are not going to jeopardize 2010 and nate will be a casualty.

it's pretty clear Donnie's not gonna muck up the 2010 plan for anyone short of a superstar player... i dunno why people waste their time with alternate plans when they know it won't go down like that.

You know what is funny--Lamar odom is a superstar especially in this type of system. If anyone doubts what I say I would suggest watching a tape of last night's Lakers game. The guy is the most versatile PF in the league with skills that are off the charts. He's not Lebron James but he's in the next tier under him--he's better than Joe Johnson. I don't know what the Lakers are going to do. It will be interesting how things play out but they are so far up in the salary cap as is--and Kobe can opt for a raise as well. It depends on what the few teams with cap space do. After that he really may be looking at some kind of MLE deal with an early opt out--maybe the Lakers sign him to a 1 year 10mm $ deal but it would cost them 20mm$. If I was Lamar I would take the FULL MLE with an early opt out if there is no money on the table. Secure 35mm$ and see if I can get a better deal IF the economy changes in the next 2 years. the MLE might look like a fat contract in 3 years.

Donnie Walsh is not gonna sacrifice the 2010 plan for Lamar Odom, i'm sorry to break the news to you... Walsh is on a mission to free up as much cap space as possible right now... don't u see the pattern w/every acquisition he's made since taking this job? no contracts that extend past 2010... zero... he values that flexibility over any player short of superstar level talent & indicated as much with every public statement he's made since he got here... there's 1 way Lamar Odom will ever become a Knick, & that's if some type of sign & trade is made w/the Knicks... they're not gonna straight out sign the guy unless they dump a ton of cap before doing so.

You keep saying things like this, but then why didn't he utilize Nate's contract to get rid of Jeffries in a trade with Sacramento? Why do we keep hearing so much about him wanting to resign David Lee?

Walsh said there was absolutely no truth to that SAC rumor whatsoever & never even spoke w/SAC about it... if 2010 is not in Walsh's plans tell me why he hasn't taken on any contracts that extend past it since he took over? why has he been saying that he won't sacrifice the 2010 plan for any player unless he's 1 of the select few that the Knicks would be willing to do it for? why do we hear so much about resigning Lee u ask? because he'd be a flaming idiot to let him walk for nothing this offseason & probably didn't get the types of trade offers he was looking for before the trade deadline... what's so hard to understand about that? the same goes for Nate... do u really think he's closed off to the idea of trading either of those guys before 2010 if the right player becomes available?

go ahead & keep wasting ur time dreaming up starphuch scenarios for non-superstar level players, but i'm telling u now it's never gonna happen... & if it does i'll say it now Donnie Walsh will be no better than Isiah Thomas if he ever goes that route.