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2/9/2009  1:22 AM
Has any player in NBA history ever done less to "earn" a starting spot than Gallinari has?

Other rookies might have started from day 1 but they've proven themselves in training camp and the preseason. As far as I can tell, all Gallinari has done is get drafted.
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2/9/2009  8:11 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

it looked like gallo's role on the offense was to go run to the corner and wait. so in essence, right now he is playing the role of 5th catch and shoot option. if the defense collapses it will get kicked out to the 3 remaining players not named lee or duhon. i think d'antoni likes to let his players make decisions on their own but if he wanted to get gallo more involved, i think he would stress it on his players.

Your right, but it's more of letting his pg take over. Over the summer they did a story on mike and so many times i would here him ask nash what he wanted to run

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2/9/2009  8:32 AM
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He should be forced to watch Dirk's NBA story and how Dirk had to change his game because the NBA was better than he anticipated. He was forced to lift weights, learn how to post up, learn who you can or can't take off the dribble.

Good post. Gallo has a long way to go and that's a good direction for him to take.
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2/9/2009  8:32 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Has any player in NBA history ever done less to "earn" a starting spot than Gallinari has?

Other rookies might have started from day 1 but they've proven themselves in training camp and the preseason. As far as I can tell, all Gallinari has done is get drafted.

the one rookie I thought of was Kwame Brown- but even he only started 3 games his rookie season.

If Coach is going by +/-, why isn't Jerome starting? I thought the last time I looked, his +/- was outrageous. Of course, small sample size does impact stats.
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2/9/2009  8:55 AM
Posted by CrashDMB237:

I rarely post here, more of a lurker, but I had to login and post this after reading BRIGGS' two posts:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah stupid post. I liked the way Gallo started the game. He hit two nice jumpshots[one contested] I'm not worried whether he scores 20 points etc... this is good for his development. If he's healthy with no restrictions--let him start over Jefferies.
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2/9/2009  9:55 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by CrashDMB237:

I rarely post here, more of a lurker, but I had to login and post this after reading BRIGGS' two posts:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah stupid post. I liked the way Gallo started the game. He hit two nice jumpshots[one contested] I'm not worried whether he scores 20 points etc... this is good for his development. If he's healthy with no restrictions--let him start over Jefferies.

You like that he scored less, and was even less of a factor overall, that he got less minutes then any starter in the nba to date...hmmmm, what were those "let me see how this works starter minutes"...

Despite being pick a little to high, Mike D ( for obvious reasons) has a love affair with the kid. Im all for giving him more minutes just off the bench. Were in a stretch that is going to determine this season and expeirmenting with a a 20 year old foreign rookie coming off a back injury, who can't play D and is one hard push from being "BACK" on the injury list, doesnt make a whole lot of sense.

Right now he's pretty on demensional, a spot up shooter, what else does he bring to your starting rotation especially when you only have one decent defender in that line up.

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2/9/2009  10:16 AM
Posted by knicks1248:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by CrashDMB237:

I rarely post here, more of a lurker, but I had to login and post this after reading BRIGGS' two posts:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah stupid post. I liked the way Gallo started the game. He hit two nice jumpshots[one contested] I'm not worried whether he scores 20 points etc... this is good for his development. If he's healthy with no restrictions--let him start over Jefferies.

You like that he scored less, and was even less of a factor overall, that he got less minutes then any starter in the nba to date...hmmmm, what were those "let me see how this works starter minutes"...

Despite being pick a little to high, Mike D ( for obvious reasons) has a love affair with the kid. Im all for giving him more minutes just off the bench. Were in a stretch that is going to determine this season and expeirmenting with a a 20 year old foreign rookie coming off a back injury, who can't play D and is one hard push from being "BACK" on the injury list, doesnt make a whole lot of sense.

Right now he's pretty on demensional, a spot up shooter, what else does he bring to your starting rotation especially when you only have one decent defender in that line up.

You have to see what a guy has got. Removing Jefferies isnt like we are removing Theo Ratliff in his prime. I do think it was too much by inserting BOTH Chandler and Gallinari back in--we shouldve left Q Rich in the SL or if they wanted the length put Gallinari at 2 for Q rich and keep Jefferies in. I don't know if it was wise putting both guys in.

When you win 25 games--when you make a fuss about how good of a talent a kid is--you believe in the talent and let him go if he's healthy. This playoff sht is no big deal--we wont be .500 so it's really a backing in type deal. What is the benefit of making the playoffs with 34 wins? Actually it shouldnt be allowed. Just to go 500 we need to go 20-10 over the last 30--they wont do it not even close. So lets see what this kid can do.
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2/9/2009  10:32 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by knicks1248:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by CrashDMB237:

I rarely post here, more of a lurker, but I had to login and post this after reading BRIGGS' two posts:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah stupid post. I liked the way Gallo started the game. He hit two nice jumpshots[one contested] I'm not worried whether he scores 20 points etc... this is good for his development. If he's healthy with no restrictions--let him start over Jefferies.

You like that he scored less, and was even less of a factor overall, that he got less minutes then any starter in the nba to date...hmmmm, what were those "let me see how this works starter minutes"...

Despite being pick a little to high, Mike D ( for obvious reasons) has a love affair with the kid. Im all for giving him more minutes just off the bench. Were in a stretch that is going to determine this season and expeirmenting with a a 20 year old foreign rookie coming off a back injury, who can't play D and is one hard push from being "BACK" on the injury list, doesnt make a whole lot of sense.

Right now he's pretty on demensional, a spot up shooter, what else does he bring to your starting rotation especially when you only have one decent defender in that line up.

You have to see what a guy has got. Removing Jefferies isnt like we are removing Theo Ratliff in his prime. I do think it was too much by inserting BOTH Chandler and Gallinari back in--we shouldve left Q Rich in the SL or if they wanted the length put Gallinari at 2 for Q rich and keep Jefferies in. I don't know if it was wise putting both guys in.

When you win 25 games--when you make a fuss about how good of a talent a kid is--you believe in the talent and let him go if he's healthy. This playoff sht is no big deal--we wont be .500 so it's really a backing in type deal. What is the benefit of making the playoffs with 34 wins? Actually it shouldnt be allowed. Just to go 500 we need to go 20-10 over the last 30--they wont do it not even close. So lets see what this kid can do.

Suppose he gets hurt then what you say after " I guess that didn't work" 24 min off the bench is more then enough to see how he looks. Guarding the 2 spot ( what are you high) his length means nothing if guys are blowing buy you. There's a reason mike d yank him so early and never went back to him.
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2/9/2009  1:40 PM
Posted by knicks1248:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by knicks1248:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by CrashDMB237:

I rarely post here, more of a lurker, but I had to login and post this after reading BRIGGS' two posts:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah stupid post. I liked the way Gallo started the game. He hit two nice jumpshots[one contested] I'm not worried whether he scores 20 points etc... this is good for his development. If he's healthy with no restrictions--let him start over Jefferies.

You like that he scored less, and was even less of a factor overall, that he got less minutes then any starter in the nba to date...hmmmm, what were those "let me see how this works starter minutes"...

Despite being pick a little to high, Mike D ( for obvious reasons) has a love affair with the kid. Im all for giving him more minutes just off the bench. Were in a stretch that is going to determine this season and expeirmenting with a a 20 year old foreign rookie coming off a back injury, who can't play D and is one hard push from being "BACK" on the injury list, doesnt make a whole lot of sense.

Right now he's pretty on demensional, a spot up shooter, what else does he bring to your starting rotation especially when you only have one decent defender in that line up.

You have to see what a guy has got. Removing Jefferies isnt like we are removing Theo Ratliff in his prime. I do think it was too much by inserting BOTH Chandler and Gallinari back in--we shouldve left Q Rich in the SL or if they wanted the length put Gallinari at 2 for Q rich and keep Jefferies in. I don't know if it was wise putting both guys in.

When you win 25 games--when you make a fuss about how good of a talent a kid is--you believe in the talent and let him go if he's healthy. This playoff sht is no big deal--we wont be .500 so it's really a backing in type deal. What is the benefit of making the playoffs with 34 wins? Actually it shouldnt be allowed. Just to go 500 we need to go 20-10 over the last 30--they wont do it not even close. So lets see what this kid can do.

Suppose he gets hurt then what you say after " I guess that didn't work" 24 min off the bench is more then enough to see how he looks. Guarding the 2 spot ( what are you high) his length means nothing if guys are blowing buy you. There's a reason mike d yank him so early and never went back to him.

Suppose he gets hurt playing off the bench. Suppose he gets hurt getting hit by a bus. What is the difference getting hurt s a starter or a back up? If he is healthy to play he is healthy to start. Can he guard two--actually I don't know what position he can defend--go ask the genius who drafted him. But he can shoot and out starting line up is void of shooting.
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2/9/2009  4:37 PM
My guess is that Gallinari isn't getting big minutes for the same reason that Anthony Randolph isn't getting big minutes.........He isn't ready for them.

Hopefully at some point in his career he will be ready for them.
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2/9/2009  10:42 PM
what i still can't figure out is how some posters seem to feel Ryan Anderson has done something to warrant him starting on a crappy Nets squad & that somehow means Walsh messed up on his Gallinari selection, even tho side by side Gallinari is shooting a much higher percentage both in FG's & from 3 pt range & has averaged more pts. per minute than Anderson as well... it amazes me the lengths some of these guys will go to in order to try & prove their doubts about Gallinari were right all along when it's still way too early to gauge anything about him as a prospect.
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2/9/2009  10:52 PM
Posted by TMS:

what i still can't figure out is how some posters seem to feel Ryan Anderson has done something to warrant him starting on a crappy Nets squad & that somehow means Walsh messed up on his Gallinari selection, even tho side by side Gallinari is shooting a much higher percentage both in FG's & from 3 pt range & has averaged more pts. per minute than Anderson as well... it amazes me the lengths some of these guys will go to in order to try & prove their doubts about Gallinari were right all along when it's still way too early to gauge anything about him as a prospect.

Have you seen what Steve Novak is shooting? He isn't anywhere close to a Top 6 pick or maybe he is.
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2/10/2009  8:12 AM
I still don't understand why everyone cares so much about other people's draft picks. Why not just hope ours turns out okay? Why the urge to point out that he is a bust or a star 15 games into his career? Every 2 days it's the same post from the same people with no real end game or purpose to the post.
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2/10/2009  10:59 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I still don't understand why everyone cares so much about other people's draft picks. Why not just hope ours turns out okay? Why the urge to point out that he is a bust or a star 15 games into his career? Every 2 days it's the same post from the same people with no real end game or purpose to the post.

Holy cow! only 45 to go?!?
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2/10/2009  1:40 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I still don't understand why everyone cares so much about other people's draft picks. Why not just hope ours turns out okay? Why the urge to point out that he is a bust or a star 15 games into his career? Every 2 days it's the same post from the same people with no real end game or purpose to the post.

any chance at all to play the "I Told You So" card i guess.
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2/10/2009  1:43 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

I still don't understand why everyone cares so much about other people's draft picks. Why not just hope ours turns out okay? Why the urge to point out that he is a bust or a star 15 games into his career? Every 2 days it's the same post from the same people with no real end game or purpose to the post.

any chance at all to play the "I Told You So" card i guess.


Somebody has to get credit for wanting to pick the often injured Andrew Bynum!
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2/10/2009  4:41 PM
There's a damn good chance that Gallinari is repping the Knicks in the 3 point contest next year. Book it.
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2/11/2009  1:08 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

it looked like gallo's role on the offense was to go run to the corner and wait. so in essence, right now he is playing the role of 5th catch and shoot option. if the defense collapses it will get kicked out to the 3 remaining players not named lee or duhon. i think d'antoni likes to let his players make decisions on their own but if he wanted to get gallo more involved, i think he would stress it on his players.

That's it in a nutshell. We need to start seeing more from this kid. I'm starting to get frustrated myself. Outside of the stand-still spot-up shooting from deep, I just don't see the kid doing anything else out there to help us. He can't rebound, can't defend NBA players, can't create his own offense, doesn't take it hard to the basket... It's very frustrating to watch, almost embarrassing already. We're just not getting anything outta this kid right now. Nothing! And I don't get the sense that his teammates have any confidence in him either. If he's not 100% physically and that's the problem then he should sit until he's ready. But right now, I don't know what the hell to think.

I mean, what do you guys think? Is it that he's physically not ready, D'Antoni holding him back somehow or just a case of him being completely overmatched?? It's definitely a concern right now. I mean he's been back for a few games now and has done NOTHING to distinguish himself out there. I know it's still early and I guess we need to still remain patient, but Gallo, baby, you gotta start showing us something. Anything. I don't see anything like the player we saw in those highlight clips. I'm not even looking for stats per say -- he can go 0-10 out there, I don't care, just show me you want the ball, show me you want to remain on the court, show determination, heart, show me you belong buddy. I tend to agree with Briggs and others at this point - we're supposed to get an impact player at #6 in the draft. We desperately needed a good player/an impact guy with that pick at 6. Any impact player, even one operating at less than 100%, will still show his worth on the court one way or another. If a guy's supposed to be that good, you'll at least see a couple of signs here and there... I just don't see it outta this guy. He's a guy that just runs and hides in the corner and remains completely uninvolved 99% of the time. Come on Gallo - GET YOURSELF INVOLVED ALREADY!!! Time to call this kid out right now a little. I know it's still early, but he's been back long enough where we should be seeing a sign or two. Say a prayer we didn't grab the next Steve Novak here fellas 'cause right now that's exactly what it looks like...


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2/11/2009  9:56 AM
playa was right when he said gallinari was a community pick.

after many fans at knicks games last year would go nuts for international players (i.e. the navarro chants) - they made it a priority to bring in a non US player this season. so that ranked high on their "to do" list.

they probably had this kid pegged before walsh even arrived and certainly before d'antoni was hired. and all that was really needed was walsh's final approval which he probably gave after seeing him workout for them.

so once you understand it may have been more of a business decision than an actual basketball decision, you can accept this pick.

and once you understand that walsh was brought in to achieve 2010 and nothing else, you can understand why he wasn't able to acquire another pick in this draft and why he didn't bring back any young talent in any of his deals.
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2/11/2009  10:01 AM
He's the best shooter on the team already.

If we had a real center, every player wouldn't be trying to back Gallo into the post.

Let's give the kid a couple of games please.
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