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2/4/2009  11:08 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by fishmike:

sorry but Pac10 big man have a long and storied history of being weak NBA players.

Lopez shot 47% in college. A 'dominating' 7 footer shooting 47% in the Pac 10. Sorry but that stinks.

Lopez had a great game against Francisco Elson.

Lopez is so physical and Duncan like he gets to the line 2 times a game.

Lopez's ceiling is probably a lot lower than Camby's. He's got no IQ on offence. He's tall and chucks a lot of balls at the basket and some fall in. He's a good help defender using his length well and he is a very average rebounder for his size.

Galinari was picked because of his ceiling. Athletic guys that are 7 feet and can put the ball on the floor and shoot from anywhere are impact high ceiling players. He's also not soft. He's very aggressive on defense and clearly has an NBA skill set to be a bigtime player. My only concern at this point would be his health.

Lopez isnt bad. He plays on a team with no bigmen at all. Nazr Mohammed at games where he scored 20 and grabbed 20 rebounds. Duncan? Seriously... meds

When did Gallinari morph into 7 feet?
Right now with his minutes he is averaging 6 points, 2 rebounds, .8 stls, .8 assists and .30 blocks with 13 minutes. What stat jumps off the board at you right now to make this a no brainer over Lopez. Get healthy? Will this be the mantra for his career? Well you know if he was healthy all those years he would be in Kobe's class? Meds indeed.

he is just playing 13 minutes per game.. he hasn't even played 10 games yet with real minutes... he is averageing 6ppg 2 boards shooting 47% from the field and almost 44% from three.. plus he is 11-11 from the FT line.. are you saying this is just normal stuff for rookies, or would you say this is pretty damn good considering the circumstances? you don't see any real potential in his game with this?
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2/4/2009  11:09 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Vmart, Briggs brought up the point that there was already SFs on the team and Martin countered with the Jordan over Bowie example. So the real question is Gallinari's potential special enough to put him in that category. I must admit I don't know that despite what I may think of the pick. I don't see it but who knows. I don't think Lopez should be talked about as some big man project coming into the league either because that wasn't the case. He was considered a very good center prospect at Stanford.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 02-04-2009 10:07 AM]

You are expecting results way to fast that is the problem here. As soon as another rookie puts up decent number everyone starts why did we take Gallo question. Gallanari will be a very good player, he isn't asked to do a lot right now and he is often overlooked by some of the vet players when he is wide open. Especially Harrington and Nate they don't even look his way it might be what D'Antoni wants right now. He has put up numbers in a short period of time and you know once he is comfortable he is gonna knock down open looks all night long.

This is what I see 6'10'' player with a handle, makes decisions that are smart, looks for open teammates has range on his jumper, has court awareness. With skill sets like that its just a matter of getting comfortable and he is gonna be a very good player.

I don't think the Knicks made a mistake in picking Gallo. This guy is confident you can tell, he has a swagger about him that is gonna make him great, he has work ethic. Gallo has a crazy confidence in his skills that only a few come in to the league with. All I can say to you guys that wanted Lopez over Gallo just keep watching, and you will see what I see.
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2/4/2009  11:11 AM
Another rookie favorite of this board, playing the same minutes gallo is playing.. Bayless is averageing 5.5ppg and 1.3 boards.. shooting 37% from the field and 20% from three.... and yes, briggs had him picked ahead of gallo.... I see how he has seperated himself from all of these guys, Mcgee, Randolph and bayless... all whom he said he would take ahead of gallo... I want to know who are the other 7...
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2/4/2009  11:18 AM
Posted by tkf:

Another rookie favorite of this board, playing the same minutes gallo is playing.. Bayless is averageing 5.5ppg and 1.3 boards.. shooting 37% from the field and 20% from three.... and yes, briggs had him picked ahead of gallo.... I see how he has seperated himself from all of these guys, Mcgee, Randolph and bayless... all whom he said he would take ahead of gallo... I want to know who are the other 7...

I would take Bayless Randolph or Mcgee for Gallinari right now--get the deal done:) and guess what so would 90% of Knick fans.
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2/4/2009  11:26 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:

Another rookie favorite of this board, playing the same minutes gallo is playing.. Bayless is averageing 5.5ppg and 1.3 boards.. shooting 37% from the field and 20% from three.... and yes, briggs had him picked ahead of gallo.... I see how he has seperated himself from all of these guys, Mcgee, Randolph and bayless... all whom he said he would take ahead of gallo... I want to know who are the other 7...

I would take Bayless Randolph or Mcgee for Gallinari right now--get the deal done:) and guess what so would 90% of Knick fans.

I understand your opinion, but why would you want to speak for other Knicks fans?
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2/4/2009  11:28 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:

Another rookie favorite of this board, playing the same minutes gallo is playing.. Bayless is averageing 5.5ppg and 1.3 boards.. shooting 37% from the field and 20% from three.... and yes, briggs had him picked ahead of gallo.... I see how he has seperated himself from all of these guys, Mcgee, Randolph and bayless... all whom he said he would take ahead of gallo... I want to know who are the other 7...

I would take Bayless Randolph or Mcgee for Gallinari right now--get the deal done:) and guess what so would 90% of Knick fans.

I understand your opinion, but why would you want to speak for other Knicks fans?

Because I believe it's true.
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2/4/2009  11:34 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cash:

Gallinari is cleary not channing frye 2.

1-His range is better, and his shot(%) seems much better. That shot looks so sweet.
2-He has much quicker feet, and he has a better mental ability to respond to the game around him on defense
3-He can put the ball on the floor
4-More court vision
etc....
He clearly is less muscular but he is younger and although i don't think he has a great frame for putting on muscle, he can clearly put on more-and his muscle is less of an issue because of his foot speed(and projected position). He is probably also a lot less physical because of the back injury.

Who cares if Gallinari has more range? Is the goal for the Knicks to shoot from 30 feet? How about players who can shoot from 3 feet rebound the ball and block shots--remember those types of players--like the kind that gave us success? We already had Chandler who was promising--it was another blunder even if he's a good player because we bypassed a better player in an area of need. Gallinari gets his shots so far because no one guards him.

with high picks you recommend drafting need over potential? High ho Sam Bowie!

I had Lopez at 3 all year long. I would have never drafted Gallinari --I wouldve taken 10 players over him.

which is why you don't get paid to make those decisions briggs...

I don't need their money--but if I ran the Knicks--fans would be much happier.

HUH? you are making some of the posters here unhappy with your emotional flip flopping. Now you expect me to believe you would make a whole fan base happy....?? wow..
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2/4/2009  11:36 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:

Another rookie favorite of this board, playing the same minutes gallo is playing.. Bayless is averageing 5.5ppg and 1.3 boards.. shooting 37% from the field and 20% from three.... and yes, briggs had him picked ahead of gallo.... I see how he has seperated himself from all of these guys, Mcgee, Randolph and bayless... all whom he said he would take ahead of gallo... I want to know who are the other 7...

I would take Bayless Randolph or Mcgee for Gallinari right now--get the deal done:) and guess what so would 90% of Knick fans.

I understand your opinion, but why would you want to speak for other Knicks fans?

Because I believe it's true.


That's kinda like the same argument Mad Dog Russo had one time. A guest called him out when he said "Everyone feels this way." The guest asked who is everyone and Russo said the people in the party I attended.

BRIGGS. Your circle might feel the same way as you but I can tell you my circle are all pro-Gallo.
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2/4/2009  11:38 AM
Who would you guys rather have playing next to LeBron, Gallo or Lopez? No question I would pick Lopez. If the Knicks had this clear cut plan on dumping people and making a push for Bron, than Lopez should have been our man. I just dont understand how these people who get paid million of dollars make stupid mistakes like this. I am not saying that Gallo will not develop into a good player, but cmon man, Lopez is a safe pick, and Gallo unfortunately is not, never mind his back issues.
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2/4/2009  11:46 AM
Further more, did you see how Lopez was blocking shots? Interior presence is what we need, his lateral movement is way above David Lee, even at this early stage. That reverse dunk he threw down effortlessly was a thing of beauty, now we know why the Nets and more specifically Thorn , keep pumping out talented teams even in that ****hole place in New Jersey, how the hell is that second rate franchise looking better than us, management thats how. Take notice big Jimmy D, I am calling you out, you better get the hell outta dodge before this club losses all its fanbase........Ahh, I feel better now.
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2/4/2009  11:49 AM
I never liked the DG pick. He has talent, but how many 6'10" unathletic SFs really last in this league. Unless he gets to a Peja in his prime level, it was really a wasted pick. I would have rathered Lopez or Gordon.
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2/4/2009  12:15 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cash:

Gallinari is cleary not channing frye 2.

1-His range is better, and his shot(%) seems much better. That shot looks so sweet.
2-He has much quicker feet, and he has a better mental ability to respond to the game around him on defense
3-He can put the ball on the floor
4-More court vision
etc....
He clearly is less muscular but he is younger and although i don't think he has a great frame for putting on muscle, he can clearly put on more-and his muscle is less of an issue because of his foot speed(and projected position). He is probably also a lot less physical because of the back injury.

Who cares if Gallinari has more range? Is the goal for the Knicks to shoot from 30 feet? How about players who can shoot from 3 feet rebound the ball and block shots--remember those types of players--like the kind that gave us success? We already had Chandler who was promising--it was another blunder even if he's a good player because we bypassed a better player in an area of need. Gallinari gets his shots so far because no one guards him.

with high picks you recommend drafting need over potential? High ho Sam Bowie!

I had Lopez at 3 all year long. I would have never drafted Gallinari --I wouldve taken 10 players over him.

which is why you don't get paid to make those decisions briggs...

I don't need their money--but if I ran the Knicks--fans would be much happier.

HUH? you are making some of the posters here unhappy with your emotional flip flopping. Now you expect me to believe you would make a whole fan base happy....?? wow..

BRIGGS would be the most bipolar GM in the NBA... at least it would be entertaining to see the Knicks trade our players 1 week & then trade back for them the next.
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2/4/2009  12:16 PM
Could you imagine Briggs as GM and LB as coach. Somehow we have to make this happen
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2/4/2009  12:20 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Briggs: I've heard a lot about how you wish we had drafted randolph and Lopez and that's been said so many times that I don't think we need anymore updates on that. We didn't draft them, we drafted Gallinari, so I was curious, from what you've seen what is your opinion of the guy we actually drafted. Break down his game for me.

My question in this thread--who are the guys responsible for taking Gallinari over Lopez--is it the same guy who took Frye over Bynum? Whoever it is does not know how to put a winning basketball team together and should be out. I would like one of the news reporters to get his head out of his arse--leave Stephon Marbury alone and go get this story----tell me who exactly was the main guy who found and suggested Gallinari.

This is not a Gallinari scks thread--I never said that--I contend that we don't need him--we didnt need him--he's a 3 and we have plenty of them and we can get more of them easily. We always needed a C we' still need a C and until we get a quality C we will not compete with the good teams. If you had put Lopez with Lee you wouldve had something. If you put Koufus with Lee you would have something. If you put Mcgee with Lee you would have something[maybe longer than the other guys but he will be very good] we had a chance to get a quality big and we passed AGAIN. We do NOT know how to put a team together and the talent evaluation is not there.

Briggs, I don't think you intended this to be a "Gallinari sucks" thread. I understand your question and point completely. If you were drafting you would have selected differently. I'm okay with that. I agree, we do need a big man. But when you start combining your thread titles all you see is "we should have drafted this guy and that guy", "Gallinari's back is damaged", "he has bad posture" etc. After a while the combination becomes one constant message from you that people are already aware of. Again, nothing wrong with any of your opinions, they may all come true, just curious how many different ways you are going to say it.

Listen, Gallinari wasn't my first choice either. I wanted Randolph, Lopez, Gordon or Alexander. But we did not select them, we selected Gallinari. Maybe this isn't the thread for it, but I sometimes become curious how guys actually would break down a player's skills once they put their personal agenda's aside. Something more than "he sucks" or "he is a bust" or "he is Larry Bird jr". You tend to be pretty good at breaking players down, so I thought I'd try you first.

Boki Nachbar was the breakdown... didn't u catch that in those threads he was posting a few months back that Gallo would be a bust before he played a single NBA game?
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2/4/2009  12:21 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cash:

Gallinari is cleary not channing frye 2.

1-His range is better, and his shot(%) seems much better. That shot looks so sweet.
2-He has much quicker feet, and he has a better mental ability to respond to the game around him on defense
3-He can put the ball on the floor
4-More court vision
etc....
He clearly is less muscular but he is younger and although i don't think he has a great frame for putting on muscle, he can clearly put on more-and his muscle is less of an issue because of his foot speed(and projected position). He is probably also a lot less physical because of the back injury.

Who cares if Gallinari has more range? Is the goal for the Knicks to shoot from 30 feet? How about players who can shoot from 3 feet rebound the ball and block shots--remember those types of players--like the kind that gave us success? We already had Chandler who was promising--it was another blunder even if he's a good player because we bypassed a better player in an area of need. Gallinari gets his shots so far because no one guards him.

with high picks you recommend drafting need over potential? High ho Sam Bowie!

I had Lopez at 3 all year long. I would have never drafted Gallinari --I wouldve taken 10 players over him.

which is why you don't get paid to make those decisions briggs...

I don't need their money--but if I ran the Knicks--fans would be much happier.

LMAO. Yeah, okay.
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2/4/2009  12:30 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Could you imagine Briggs as GM and LB as coach. Somehow we have to make this happen

just make sure we have Marcus Williams, Darius Miles & Andrew Bynum forming the nucleus & we got the makings of a dynasty.
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2/4/2009  12:39 PM
I wonder if BRIGGS is really a fan of the team or just another basketball fan with an opinion on the Knicks. From what I remember he has like thousands of posts on RealGM and most don't even pertain to the Knicks. He's mostly on every team's board except the Knicks. Just the other night he elected to watch a UCONN game over Knicks/Lakers. It's not like BRIGGS ever had the most credibility to begin with but the dude makes me wonder about where he stands. Maybe he is a "Knick fan since the 70's" or whatever he has called himself but this complaining every single day is annoying.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 02-04-2009 12:45 PM]
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Posted by GKFv2:

I wonder if BRIGGS is really a fan of the team or just another basketball fan with an opinion on the Knicks. From what I remember he has like thousands of posts on RealGM and most don't even pertain to the Knicks. He's mostly on every team's board except the Knicks. Just the other night he elected to watch a UCONN game over Knicks/Lakers. It's not like BRIGGS ever had the most credibility to begin with but the dude makes me wonder about where he stands. Maybe he is a "Knick fan since the 70's" or whatever he has called himself but this complaining every single day is annoying.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 02-04-2009 12:45 PM]

Yes I watch a lot of NBA and college basketball--I love basketball. I would like to see OUR Knicks get back to where they once were and after 8 years I'm sick of the incompetence. The first time I ever posted about the Knicks was after watching Amare Stoudemire play basketball in NJ. I didn't like the direction of the team--signed up at the old NY basketball.com[I think bigsmooth was the only guy I remember there who posts here and I preceded to post a few hundred times why we should draft Stoudemire. I've been involved in basketball more than just the average fan and I have extremely good knowledge of the game. I feel like we have made too many easy mistakes--by far the worst one's with Bynum and Stoudemire. I think top NBA guys should get it. I don't think these guys have had the combination of passion of wanting to win and the ability to understand the talent and how it goes into team building--I really don't.
There are literally ten to twelve players who couldve went 6th last year. There is no way 95% of the posters here watch the amount of basketball that I do--I love the game and I'm in a great/lucky position financially to do so. I know most guys just rely on draft sites or see guys once in awhile. I try to shres the content that I acquire here on this site. It's not going to be perfect but there is a lot of effort behind it and if we look back at short term history--it's pretty good--BETTER than the paid guys on the Knicks. You can think whatever you want--no bother. I understand that if you have a strong opinion you're going to have to take critical /negative feedback to it. And at the end of the day it's just entertainment but I wish a little would rub off on getting the team better
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by GKFv2:

I wonder if BRIGGS is really a fan of the team or just another basketball fan with an opinion on the Knicks. From what I remember he has like thousands of posts on RealGM and most don't even pertain to the Knicks. He's mostly on every team's board except the Knicks. Just the other night he elected to watch a UCONN game over Knicks/Lakers. It's not like BRIGGS ever had the most credibility to begin with but the dude makes me wonder about where he stands. Maybe he is a "Knick fan since the 70's" or whatever he has called himself but this complaining every single day is annoying.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 02-04-2009 12:45 PM]

Yes I watch a lot of NBA and college basketball--I love basketball. I would like to see OUR Knicks get back to where they once were and after 8 years I'm sick of the incompetence. The first time I ever posted about the Knicks was after watching Amare Stoudemire play basketball in NJ. I didn't like the direction of the team--signed up at the old NY basketball.com[I think bigsmooth was the only guy I remember there who posts here and I preceded to post a few hundred times why we should draft Stoudemire. I've been involved in basketball more than just the average fan and I have extremely good knowledge of the game. I feel like we have made too many easy mistakes--by far the worst one's with Bynum and Stoudemire. I think top NBA guys should get it. I don't think these guys have had the combination of passion of wanting to win and the ability to understand the talent and how it goes into team building--I really don't.
There are literally ten to twelve players who couldve went 6th last year. There is no way 95% of the posters here watch the amount of basketball that I do--I love the game and I'm in a great/lucky position financially to do so. I know most guys just rely on draft sites or see guys once in awhile. I try to shres the content that I acquire here on this site. It's not going to be perfect but there is a lot of effort behind it and if we look back at short term history--it's pretty good--BETTER than the paid guys on the Knicks. You can think whatever you want--no bother. I understand that if you have a strong opinion you're going to have to take critical /negative feedback to it. And at the end of the day it's just entertainment but I wish a little would rub off on getting the team better

Briggs I don't think anyone has a problem with your opinion at all. What some of us have a problem with is you stating the same things over and over and over again. After a while it feels like you blame us for the bad decisions. At some point don't you have to move on and talk about what is currently here and not what you wish was here?
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by GKFv2:

I wonder if BRIGGS is really a fan of the team or just another basketball fan with an opinion on the Knicks. From what I remember he has like thousands of posts on RealGM and most don't even pertain to the Knicks. He's mostly on every team's board except the Knicks. Just the other night he elected to watch a UCONN game over Knicks/Lakers. It's not like BRIGGS ever had the most credibility to begin with but the dude makes me wonder about where he stands. Maybe he is a "Knick fan since the 70's" or whatever he has called himself but this complaining every single day is annoying.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 02-04-2009 12:45 PM]

Yes I watch a lot of NBA and college basketball--I love basketball. I would like to see OUR Knicks get back to where they once were and after 8 years I'm sick of the incompetence. The first time I ever posted about the Knicks was after watching Amare Stoudemire play basketball in NJ. I didn't like the direction of the team--signed up at the old NY basketball.com[I think bigsmooth was the only guy I remember there who posts here and I preceded to post a few hundred times why we should draft Stoudemire. I've been involved in basketball more than just the average fan and I have extremely good knowledge of the game. I feel like we have made too many easy mistakes--by far the worst one's with Bynum and Stoudemire. I think top NBA guys should get it. I don't think these guys have had the combination of passion of wanting to win and the ability to understand the talent and how it goes into team building--I really don't.
There are literally ten to twelve players who couldve went 6th last year. There is no way 95% of the posters here watch the amount of basketball that I do--I love the game and I'm in a great/lucky position financially to do so. I know most guys just rely on draft sites or see guys once in awhile. I try to shres the content that I acquire here on this site. It's not going to be perfect but there is a lot of effort behind it and if we look back at short term history--it's pretty good--BETTER than the paid guys on the Knicks. You can think whatever you want--no bother. I understand that if you have a strong opinion you're going to have to take critical /negative feedback to it. And at the end of the day it's just entertainment but I wish a little would rub off on getting the team better


briggs, you can go to realgm, and everyone will tell you that i was all over getting amare... So stop acting like you are the only one who knew about guys like that. I admit, you watch a lot of college ball and you have a lot of opinions of who the knicks should take. You throw a lot of stuff out there without committing to any, therefore you can always say.. "I told you" about X or Y player.. Anyone can do that briggs. If you want to impress us more. Stick by your guns and stop shifting thoughts, players and opinions every week and acting like you were on top of things from the start..

There are literally ten to twelve players who couldve went 6th last year. There is no way 95% of the posters here watch the amount of basketball that I do--I love the game and I'm in a great/lucky position financially to do so.

Briggs you can say that about the draft every year just about.. and you will be suprised how many of us are basketball junkies briggs and are also in Financial position to watch as many games as we want....

[Edited by - tkf on 04-02-2009 2:05 PM]
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