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EwingsGlass
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1/19/2009  4:18 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Positives:
Nice shot, and he has the skills to create his own shot. Good passer. Plays within' the flow of the offense. Good awareness on D' and doesn't give up. Gets hands on loose balls. Plays smart. Not the slowest, and he's far from a slug. Seems to be a good teammate and well liked by the rest of the Knicks.

Negatives:
Needs a ton of upper body strength, and even lower. He needs overall body strength. If he doesn't gain it, he'll become Channing Frye. Gets boxed out easily and gets out muscled easily. Needs to gain the strength so he can finish his drives. Not the fastest and he's far from a gazelle.

Overall, I thought he played well against the Bulls until the end. His lack of experience got himself back on the bench. I like him so far.

at 6'10 and a sweet outside shot, he should have a lot of open looks that fall consistently. He also should be pulling a lot of opposing big men away from the boards-- opening up the floor. Now, if we had a player who could drive and kick the ball out...

I guess if he is going to be better than Vlad Rad, he is going to have to get stronger and faster.
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1/19/2009  4:19 PM
I agree with that. My point though, was that if he doesn't improve his strength, that his passing is going to be overlooked as he gets overpowered everywhere he goes. He wont be able to get off the bench.

I'm sure he'll improve his strength go, and he'll rise above that. How far up he goes, is up to him.
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1/19/2009  4:20 PM
my question is how will MDA use this kid going forward? he's obviously a terrific shooter but he doesn't have the defensive skills to guard PF's down low... so that means u can't just insert him into Al Harrington's role right away... he's also not a great rebounder from the looks of it so u can't put him into D Lee's role either... that leaves Chandler, who is a much better defender than Gallo as well, Fishlips & Fugazy Tim... my guess is that Gallo will eventually take over Fugazy's slot in the rotation as a scorer off the bench & depending on the flow of the game will see more or less minutes as the action dictates... at least, that's how i would handle his minutes this season... 22 mpg would be a good measuring stick to let this kid get his bearings at the NBA level, i wouldn't wanna stretch him for much longer than that coming off a back injury.
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1/19/2009  4:24 PM
Excactly TMS. Lets see how his body and even head handles just 15 to 20 minutes before we can talk about starting him. One step at a time and no rush for each step.
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1/19/2009  4:37 PM
Posted by TMS:

my question is how will MDA use this kid going forward? he's obviously a terrific shooter but he doesn't have the defensive skills to guard PF's down low... so that means u can't just insert him into Al Harrington's role right away... he's also not a great rebounder from the looks of it so u can't put him into D Lee's role either... that leaves Chandler, who is a much better defender than Gallo as well, Fishlips & Fugazy Tim... my guess is that Gallo will eventually take over Fugazy's slot in the rotation as a scorer off the bench & depending on the flow of the game will see more or less minutes as the action dictates... at least, that's how i would handle his minutes this season... 22 mpg would be a good measuring stick to let this kid get his bearings at the NBA level, i wouldn't wanna stretch him for much longer than that coming off a back injury.

I'm down with that. TT doesn't rebound go to the boards or hustle in anyway, so it's possible he could fill that role pretty soon.
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1/19/2009  4:39 PM
wilson doesn't exactly pound the glass either.
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1/19/2009  4:55 PM
I'm very happy what what I saw today from Gallo today...I think it's way too early to fit Gallo into a role at the moment...He has a soft touch from the outside which was a given...U can't fit him into a role because he clearly doesn't have his legs under him...U can see the lack of strength there that can be gained only with playing time...I think he can be a better defender than he looks right now...He was able to get a few deflections and a block shot which I don't see a lot on bigs on this team...He was able to gobble up the smaller player(DRose) who came at him in the lane...DLee doesn't do that...

This kid get his legs under him, I want to see him at the PF spot...He will be a much more valuable player at the 4 for us than at the three...Besides, I really like Chan Will at the three, he plays D and can go to the hole...This is all I'm asking..Build around the youth...Let them play...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-19-2009 4:58 PM]
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1/19/2009  4:56 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

wilson doesn't exactly pound the glass either.

5.4 rebs from he sml forward spot isn't bad...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-19-2009 4:59 PM]
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1/19/2009  5:05 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by crzymdups:

wilson doesn't exactly pound the glass either.

5.4 rebs from he sml forward spot isn't bad...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-19-2009 4:59 PM]

I agree. I think Wilson can be stronger on the boards, and probalby will get stronger with time, but 5.4 isn't something to complain about at that spot.
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1/19/2009  5:16 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Couldn't watch the game [working], but the box score numbers were solid for 16 minutes. 4 rebs,2 asts, 2 stls, 1 block with 4 of 7 shooting is decent work (even if it is a small sample size)


Box score numbers from Channing Frye's 2nd game as a Knick seemed solid. 23 minutes, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 0 stl, 1 block with 6 of 12 shooting.

Gallinari is threatening to be another Channing Frye.
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1/19/2009  5:17 PM
I got to see another game finally, so can comment on Gallo:

Damn, this kid really has something special about him. We can all see that sweet shot but the impressive thing is that he really showed a complete game. He is not in great shape yet but you can just see the many facets he brings. He has GREAT COURT AWARENESS. That needs to be bolded cause when you see him on offense and particularly defense he just knew where to be. His hands got on quite a few passes. Great vision and awareness. He was vocal on defense, played off the ball great (in the passing lanes) but always knew where his man was and made it back. He clearly is going to be a physical player on defense (man to man). I was really shocked at how well he played defense. No real speed to speak of but great quick hands and awareness of his man, not to mention in his face. I see more blocks for him. He showed he can rebound a little but I think with his back that the coach doesn't really want him getting to physical on the rebounding end. That handle he has is great. Really seeing him and then another player like Frye (what he first showed) just shows you the difference in talent. We all remember Frye had a beautiful jumper but not a whole lot else.

I was just looking forward to him on offense, but was really really shocked at his defensive intensity. But just imagine guys, he is still no where near 100% but we all saw that fire he brings and how about the announcer saying his name with that Italian accent. Many more of those to come!

He made some clear rookie mistakes, lacked strength, but thinking this is basically his 3rd game back it makes you appreciate what he can and will do. Clear areas of improvement but very impressive 3rd game for a rookie.

Now maybe we can reply to all those "look at the game Gordon had, etc."

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1/19/2009  5:27 PM
Seriously, where are some of you getting these "special" feelings about Gallinari???

Like most euros, I see a guy that can shoot and because of that he likes to play on the perimeter. Aside from maybe court vision, I don't see any part of his game that is even good to average. He's not a good defender. He's not a good rebounder. His much talked about passing skills are so far nothing but a lot of talk.

What's different about Gallinari than all the other soft euros who liked to shoot and didn't do much else?
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1/19/2009  5:29 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Seriously, where are some of you getting these "special" feelings about Gallinari???

Like most euros, I see a guy that can shoot and because of that he likes to play on the perimeter. Aside from maybe court vision, I don't see any part of his game that is even good to average. He's not a good defender. He's not a good rebounder. His much talked about passing skills are so far nothing but a lot of talk.

What's different about Gallinari than all the other soft euros who liked to shoot and didn't do much else?

That's because you hated him before you even saw him play.
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1/19/2009  5:37 PM
I don't get the Gallo-Frye comparison. Frye's one weapon was a medium range jump shot which was ineffective if someone played him tight. Gallo can take a three or put it on the floor and take a defender off the dribble. In his summer league game, he actually showed a pretty good crossover move. Also, he seems to play some d - something that no one could possibly accuse Frye of.

The concern about Gallo's strength is legit. I'm wondering if his back problems may make it hard for him to improve his strength in the weight room.
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1/19/2009  5:40 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Couldn't watch the game [working], but the box score numbers were solid for 16 minutes. 4 rebs,2 asts, 2 stls, 1 block with 4 of 7 shooting is decent work (even if it is a small sample size)


Box score numbers from Channing Frye's 2nd game as a Knick seemed solid. 23 minutes, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 0 stl, 1 block with 6 of 12 shooting.

Gallinari is threatening to be another Channing Frye.

Come on Isles, this kid is a lot more fluid than Channing ever was...I just hope his back holds up...he looks unsteady on his legs at the moment but that may just be playing time...

It's still early, let's just wait and see..

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1/19/2009  5:46 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:

Seriously, where are some of you getting these "special" feelings about Gallinari???

Like most euros, I see a guy that can shoot and because of that he likes to play on the perimeter. Aside from maybe court vision, I don't see any part of his game that is even good to average. He's not a good defender. He's not a good rebounder. His much talked about passing skills are so far nothing but a lot of talk.

What's different about Gallinari than all the other soft euros who liked to shoot and didn't do much else?

That's because you hated him before you even saw him play.

And I understand that others are going to build him up even before they saw him play. That's fine. But what has he done in the 2 games that warrant the word "special" to be used to describe it?
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1/19/2009  5:46 PM
Posted by Ira:

I don't get the Gallo-Frye comparison. Frye's one weapon was a medium range jump shot which was ineffective if someone played him tight. Gallo can take a three or put it on the floor and take a defender off the dribble. In his summer league game, he actually showed a pretty good crossover move. Also, he seems to play some d - something that no one could possibly accuse Frye of.

The concern about Gallo's strength is legit. I'm wondering if his back problems may make it hard for him to improve his strength in the weight room.

Agreed here. I thought that a lot of Gallo's D that we saw - a few tips and steals in the passing lanes - were signs of court awareness. He isn't a strength defender by any means, but he does use his noggin and length to get to balls.

There was also 1 sequence which was telling for me at the end of the 3rd quarter, about 1 minute left. Knicks had the ball on a semi fast break with Duhon on the right side coming up the court. Al was a little behind Duhon and to Duhon's left (as was Gallo, but further to the left and towards the middle of the court), and Gallo kept pointing/telling Harrington to spread the court and go behind Duhon to the far right of the court to spread the defense out. I don't even think Harrington was paying attention or could even gather what he *should* have been doing to best help the fast break. And this was from a rookie 20-year-old in his 3rd game.
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1/19/2009  5:47 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:

Seriously, where are some of you getting these "special" feelings about Gallinari???

Like most euros, I see a guy that can shoot and because of that he likes to play on the perimeter. Aside from maybe court vision, I don't see any part of his game that is even good to average. He's not a good defender. He's not a good rebounder. His much talked about passing skills are so far nothing but a lot of talk.

What's different about Gallinari than all the other soft euros who liked to shoot and didn't do much else?

That's because you hated him before you even saw him play.

And I understand that others are going to build him up even before they saw him play. That's fine. But what has he done in the 2 games that warrant the word "special" to be used to describe it?

The fact that we had a big man block a shot during a regulation game isn't "special"???

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1/19/2009  5:50 PM
Posted by Ira:

I don't get the Gallo-Frye comparison. Frye's one weapon was a medium range jump shot which was ineffective if someone played him tight. Gallo can take a three or put it on the floor and take a defender off the dribble. In his summer league game, he actually showed a pretty good crossover move. Also, he seems to play some d - something that no one could possibly accuse Frye of.

The concern about Gallo's strength is legit. I'm wondering if his back problems may make it hard for him to improve his strength in the weight room.

He can take defenders off the dribble?? In the NBA? With that ridiculously high dribble and that slow first step? I really don't see that being a big part of his game, blowing by defenders and finishing strong.
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1/19/2009  5:52 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Ira:

I don't get the Gallo-Frye comparison. Frye's one weapon was a medium range jump shot which was ineffective if someone played him tight. Gallo can take a three or put it on the floor and take a defender off the dribble. In his summer league game, he actually showed a pretty good crossover move. Also, he seems to play some d - something that no one could possibly accuse Frye of.

The concern about Gallo's strength is legit. I'm wondering if his back problems may make it hard for him to improve his strength in the weight room.

Agreed here. I thought that a lot of Gallo's D that we saw - a few tips and steals in the passing lanes - were signs of court awareness. He isn't a strength defender by any means, but he does use his noggin and length to get to balls.

There was also 1 sequence which was telling for me at the end of the 3rd quarter, about 1 minute left. Knicks had the ball on a semi fast break with Duhon on the right side coming up the court. Al was a little behind Duhon and to Duhon's left (as was Gallo, but further to the left and towards the middle of the court), and Gallo kept pointing/telling Harrington to spread the court and go behind Duhon to the far right of the court to spread the defense out. I don't even think Harrington was paying attention or could even gather what he *should* have been doing to best help the fast break. And this was from a rookie 20-year-old in his 3rd game.

I won't get too hung up on him pointing fingers telling guys where to go...Lee was doing that in his rookie year too...We later found out he(Lee) didn't know where to go himself...He is a rook...More likely the case that he doesn't know where to go...But I'm pleased with his court awareness and instincts...




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