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1/12/2009  4:25 PM
at the beginning of the season i said i couldn't care less about the amount of W's this team achieved this season... the only reason i made the 35 game estimate is because we were asked to give estimations... i'm not holding Walsh or MDA to that prediction because i don't expect a thing out of this current roster... all i care about is seeing some effort being shown on the floor & for the young guys to get playing time so Walsh & MDA can fully evaluate who should stay & who should go... so far this season it's become apparent to me that there isn't a player on this roster that's worth being signed longterm to a contract when they become expirings... that may change by season's end, but i still think this season was always meant to be treated as a time for evaluation by Walsh & MDA & that's what they always intended it to be from the get go... no matter what they said to the media how they had playoff aspirations as the goal this season, we all know that was purely diplomatic rhetoric... every move that Walsh has made has had 2010 in mind, & he constantly makes it a point to reinforce his focus on 2010 to the press even when he's not pressed on that issue... that means we're in the first phase of the rebuilding mode, meaning evaluation & purge stage... after that comes the retooling phase... after that comes the development & acclimation phase... then finally comes the winning phase... u don't jump from the evaluation phase straight to the winning phase overnight... it takes time.
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1/12/2009  4:26 PM
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[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-12-2009 3:47 PM]

i said 35 then, said 35 after the trades this season, & still holding to 35... that may be a bit optimistic but i think this team is gonna "right the ship" before season's end (if u can even call 35 wins as righting any ship that is)

Being questioned in this thread is the expected pace of 35wins and the fact the team even as constructed at the start of the season wasn't probably a 35win team.


Often times fans put generalizations on player win total impact assuming such player and the average around them is worth so many wins. What is our coach's value in terms of wins with an average roster or even slightly below average? Expansion teams even at their base are about a 30win team. Now add an Elite coach to it how many wins is the team?


Looks like a lot of fans thought the team would be on the other side of 35wins


If you look at the team's losses since the trade we dropped games to Minny, OKC, Indiana, Milwaukee, Chicago. Are these teams clearly better than us factoring roster and coaches? We've lost to Milwaukee 3 times already(1 amidst the trade). If you add 5-6gms in the win column for this team this clearly changes the pace on wins. Our coach can't be this kind of difference?

Take a look at our starting line-up again

SF-Wilson Chandler
PF-David Lee
C-Jared Jeffries
PG-Chris Duhon
SG-Quentin Richardson

Who again should we be beating?
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1/12/2009  4:28 PM
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The early Isiah Optimism was brought on by adding Marbs to a team that was already capable of winning 33-38 games. We made the playoffs and then flamed out and the rest is history. A few more quick, satisfy the fans moves later and we are one of the biggest embarrassments in NBa history. And yet, we learned nothing from it.

I was never discussing moves to satisfy the fan base besides maybe cutting ROBLOWS. Regardless both times fans felt a sense of optimism. Isiah was judged immediately after the Marbury trade was made therefore coach and GM are subject to the same immediate criticism.

Don't you think the situations are different considering one was GM and one was coach?


Nope because every new hire and gm, coach, traded, signed, drafted player gets judged by New Yorkers fairly immediately. LB was judged right away by many, Isiah the coach was given Kudos in 2006-2007 for keeping this team in the playoff hunt for half a season. Isiah the coach was ridiculed the following season immediately for having no control over the team.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-12-2009 4:30 PM]
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[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-12-2009 3:47 PM]

i said 35 then, said 35 after the trades this season, & still holding to 35... that may be a bit optimistic but i think this team is gonna "right the ship" before season's end (if u can even call 35 wins as righting any ship that is)

Being questioned in this thread is the expected pace of 35wins and the fact the team even as constructed at the start of the season wasn't probably a 35win team.


Often times fans put generalizations on player win total impact assuming such player and the average around them is worth so many wins. What is our coach's value in terms of wins with an average roster or even slightly below average? Expansion teams even at their base are about a 30win team. Now add an Elite coach to it how many wins is the team?


Looks like a lot of fans thought the team would be on the other side of 35wins


If you look at the team's losses since the trade we dropped games to Minny, OKC, Indiana, Milwaukee, Chicago. Are these teams clearly better than us factoring roster and coaches? We've lost to Milwaukee 3 times already(1 amidst the trade). If you add 5-6gms in the win column for this team this clearly changes the pace on wins. Our coach can't be this kind of difference?

Take a look at our starting line-up again

SF-Wilson Chandler
PF-David Lee
C-Jared Jeffries
PG-Chris Duhon
SG-Quentin Richardson

Who again should we be beating?

1 win over the Celtics & all hell breaks loose.
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1/12/2009  4:30 PM
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i said 35 then, said 35 after the trades this season, & still holding to 35... that may be a bit optimistic but i think this team is gonna "right the ship" before season's end (if u can even call 35 wins as righting any ship that is)

Being questioned in this thread is the expected pace of 35wins and the fact the team even as constructed at the start of the season wasn't probably a 35win team.


Often times fans put generalizations on player win total impact assuming such player and the average around them is worth so many wins. What is our coach's value in terms of wins with an average roster or even slightly below average? Expansion teams even at their base are about a 30win team. Now add an Elite coach to it how many wins is the team?


Looks like a lot of fans thought the team would be on the other side of 35wins


If you look at the team's losses since the trade we dropped games to Minny, OKC, Indiana, Milwaukee, Chicago. Are these teams clearly better than us factoring roster and coaches? We've lost to Milwaukee 3 times already(1 amidst the trade). If you add 5-6gms in the win column for this team this clearly changes the pace on wins. Our coach can't be this kind of difference?

Take a look at our starting line-up again

SF-Wilson Chandler
PF-David Lee
C-Jared Jeffries
PG-Chris Duhon
SG-Quentin Richardson

Who again should we be beating?


Post the lineups and records of those teams at the times we played them who beat us.
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1/12/2009  4:36 PM
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The early Isiah Optimism was brought on by adding Marbs to a team that was already capable of winning 33-38 games. We made the playoffs and then flamed out and the rest is history. A few more quick, satisfy the fans moves later and we are one of the biggest embarrassments in NBa history. And yet, we learned nothing from it.

I was never discussing moves to satisfy the fan base besides maybe cutting ROBLOWS. Regardless both times fans felt a sense of optimism. Isiah was judged immediately after the Marbury trade was made therefore coach and GM are subject to the same immediate criticism.

Don't you think the situations are different considering one was GM and one was coach?


Nope because every new hire and gm, coach, traded, signed, drafted player gets judged. LB was judged right away by many, Isiah the coach was given Kudos in 2006-2007 for keeping this team in the playoff hunt for half a season. Isiah the coach was ridiculed the following season immediately for having no control over the team.

And that's exactly the point I am making. We are idiots.

We think we are the 1998 Yankees. If you can't win with us you need to go. But we aren't and doing so is ridiculous. It is one of the reasons our players quit year after year. The message is sent, if you don't perform, the media and fans will blame the coach. That's why it has been nearly impossible for a coach to hold anyone accountable here.

Now as for judging our coaches after a short period of time

Lb-Judging him early was ridiculous. He wanted to purge this roster of the losers just like D'Antoni and Walsh do. Instead we held him accountable for a team of quitters

Isiah-After the Marbury trade received more than the benefit of the doubt. The fans didn't turn on him until he began a history of grabbing players from losing teams. Players that fans knew that you can't win with. By thte time he was coach, it was too late. He had to be judged by the roster, because it was his roster.

D'Antoni-Has been here 34 games. He has a rebuilding roster. The GM just traded his number one and number 2 scorers for two players who have been sent the message that they will not be here in 2010. Again what did you expect? If you want to nitpick some of his coaching, that's fine. We all love to play armchair coach. But the morons saying he isn't coaching defense and now apparently isn't coaching offense, do you guys here yourselves? This is the exact same thing we did to LB. The exact same thing. If the team quit tomorrow like they did under LB we would be screaming "fire D'Antoni" and the cycle would continue again. Thankfully Walsh isn't dumb enough to listen. Hopefully Dolan won't interfere.
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1/12/2009  4:41 PM
Bip no one said Fire our coach.

You're going to extremes with your point. The point I'm saying every hire isn't/hasn't been above criticism. Like all the others in the past were critiqued our current coach and gm isn't excluded from this class.

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i said 35 then, said 35 after the trades this season, & still holding to 35... that may be a bit optimistic but i think this team is gonna "right the ship" before season's end (if u can even call 35 wins as righting any ship that is)

Being questioned in this thread is the expected pace of 35wins and the fact the team even as constructed at the start of the season wasn't probably a 35win team.


Often times fans put generalizations on player win total impact assuming such player and the average around them is worth so many wins. What is our coach's value in terms of wins with an average roster or even slightly below average? Expansion teams even at their base are about a 30win team. Now add an Elite coach to it how many wins is the team?


Looks like a lot of fans thought the team would be on the other side of 35wins


If you look at the team's losses since the trade we dropped games to Minny, OKC, Indiana, Milwaukee, Chicago. Are these teams clearly better than us factoring roster and coaches? We've lost to Milwaukee 3 times already(1 amidst the trade). If you add 5-6gms in the win column for this team this clearly changes the pace on wins. Our coach can't be this kind of difference?

Take a look at our starting line-up again

SF-Wilson Chandler
PF-David Lee
C-Jared Jeffries
PG-Chris Duhon
SG-Quentin Richardson

Who again should we be beating?


Post the lineups and records of those teams at the times we played them who beat us.

When I'm done should I put out the line-ups for the Celtics, jazz and Pistons who we beat? How many years have you watched the NBA? This is what bad teams do. They look good one night and look horrible the next. Only in NY do we think the good nights mean we are actually good.

Let me ask it another way. When you look at that roster, what should our record be right now?

What should our final record be?(take into account that on some nights this year we will lose to other teams we "should beat" and beat some teams that are clearly better than us)
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1/12/2009  4:46 PM
There are a few confusions here with posters missing the nuances in the point some or at least I'm trying to get across...Most of us here don't believe the Knicks should be doing better at this point...I really don't believe that...I don't rail against MDA because the Knicks aren't winning...They need to lose as many games as possible...My problem is the system we are investing into the next four years...

If we are going to clean house and start from the bottom and rebuild, why are we going off in such an obtuse direction...Why are we trying to build a team that fits a particular system that has proven to be difficult to win in the playoffs???...We are drafting soft 6' 10" three point shooters...

Let's say four years from now MDA didn't get the 3 all-star he needs to make his system work to precision?..Do we now have to scrap the entire roster and make moves to hopefully to rebuild in another coaches image...Rebuilding takes too much time, effort and patients to pigeon-hole a Franchise with such a narrow view...The system has proven to be faulty in the playoffs...Given what we have gone through the last eight years, its a huge gamble to make at this point...



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Bip no one said Fire our coach.

You're going to extremes with your point. The point I'm saying every hire isn't/hasn't been above criticism. Like all the others in the past were critiqued our current coach and gm isn't excluded from this class.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-12-2009 4:42 PM]

Then if you are critiquing let's be specific. Let's give specific examples of where he's failing as coach. Here is what I've heard so far

1.) He's not teaching offense
2.) He's not teaching defense
3.) he's not teaching fundamentals.
4.) And earlier today, he's just collecting a paycheck.

come on guy, this is ridiculous. I again ask we are 13-22, what did you expect different? Every year we hear people bash the players on this team and talk about how much they suck. Every year we critique the coach for not "coaching them up". When is it the players? I guess we'll just have to wait and see if D'Antnoi can pull a Doc Rivers, and become a magical coach over night.
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There are a few confusions here with posters missing the nuances in the point some or at least I'm trying to get across...Most of us here don't believe the Knicks should be doing better at this point...I really don't believe that...I don't rail against MDA because the Knicks aren't winning...They need to lose as many games as possible...My problem is the system we are investing into the next four years...

If we are doing to clean house and start from the bottom and rebuild, why are we going off in such an obtuse direction...Why are we trying to build a team that fits a particular system that has proven to be difficult to win in the playoffs???...We are drafting soft 6' 10" three point shooters...

Let's say four years from now MDA didn't get the 3 all-star he needs to make his system work to precision?..Do we now have to scrap the entire roster and make moves to hopefully to rebuild in another coaches image...Rebuilding takes too much time, effort and patients to pigeon-hole a Franchise with such a narrow view...The system has proven to be faulty in the playoffs...Given what we have gone through the last eight years, its a huge gamble to make at this point...


dude, move on... Walsh chose MDA & he's here now... now that he made his choice we need to focus on getting MDA the players he needs to succeed in his system... what are u saying, that MDA should be fired because his system hasn't led to any championships in the past seasons where his teams have averaged 54 wins per season over a 4 year stretch? no coach or GM comes w/any guarantees of bringing u a championsip... that holds true in any sport u wanna talk about... of course rebuilding carries risks... every thing does in sports... sports wouldn't be exciting w/o that element of risk & reward.
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How faulty has it been though? D'Antoni lost to two teams. The Mavericks and the Spurs. Last year, it was b/c the Suns were in their downswing. The year before, there were some severe questioning with the refs. The Suns could have easily beat the Spurs. The year before they were outplayed in the Western Conference finals (But Stoudemire was pretty much a non factor b/c of the microfracture and KT was injured too yet they beat two outstanding teams before that). The year before that, the Suns had injuries to Quentin and Joe Johnson, who they needed very much.

So where's this theory that they can't win in the playoffs, when the Suns won many playoff rounds against very good teams, yet had a ton of things going against them, that really didn't have anything to do what was going on the court.
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There are a few confusions here with posters missing the nuances in the point some or at least I'm trying to get across...Most of us here don't believe the Knicks should be doing better at this point...I really don't believe that...I don't rail against MDA because the Knicks aren't winning...They need to lose as many games as possible...My problem is the system we are investing into the next four years...

If we are doing to clean house and start from the bottom and rebuild, why are we going off in such an obtuse direction...Why are we trying to build a team that fits a particular system that has proven to be difficult to win in the playoffs???...We are drafting soft 6' 10" three point shooters...

Let's say four years from now MDA didn't get the 3 all-star he needs to make his system work to precision?..Do we now have to scrap the entire roster and make moves to hopefully to rebuild in another coaches image...Rebuilding takes too much time, effort and patients to pigeon-hole a Franchise with such a narrow view...The system has proven to be faulty in the playoffs...Given what we have gone through the last eight years, its a huge gamble to make at this point...


So that's far different than critiquing wins and losses this year and is a fair criticism. he didn't win a title so it's fair to question. But you have to understand every coach has there system. It is extremely rare for a coach to change styles like Pat Riley did. Pat Riley is also one of the top coaches in NBA history. Are we going to compare every coach to him? Unless you want to find a way to get Phil or Pat or Popovich maybe you have to accept that every other coach has flaws and needs to improve their coaching over time.
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i still don't get how MDA can be questioned for having a system that's unproven in winning championships & yet people consistently harp over not hiring a head coach who hasn't even had any experience coaching in the NBA at all, much less developing any kind of system that leads to winning basketball.
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I dont' think D'Antoni is a world beater. He's not the greatest coach in the NBA. But who are you getting that's better? Every coach you can bring in here will have the label of either

1.) Can't win in the playoffs
2.) New coach

It wouldn't matter who we brought it, we would pick at their flaws. Same record with Mark Jackson we'd be "critiquing" him too.
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So it's his offense and not the players, correct? Duhon is OK but not a starter. Marbury wouldn't have done any better. Nate? LOL @ him at PG. Then you have Crawford 2 at forward (Al Harrington) who I could care less about since he is gone in 2 years. Who else? Lee has an offensive game? what can Q do? Tim Thomas? Curry? What? Who's left? Malik and Roberson? The personnel sucks. I'm pretty sure it's not the offense. Besides Duhon and the recently acquired Harrington, the guys I mentioned are all former Isiah Thomas acquisitions - including Tim Thomas.

watching how this whole offense is predicated on the pg penetrating into the lane, marbury would trump duhon tenfold.

forget the players for a second. they don't run any plays. it's one on one. stop looking at it in such extreme terms. yes, they don't have the talent, but i don't think d'antoni is maximizing their potential.

I dissagree, it is predicated on ball movement, penetrating and then PASSING.. that is where marbury would fail... marbury, nate and all would make us worse than the GS warriors.... why is it so hard to see that marbury trumps no one, because he doesn't run any offense except his own?

it relies 100% on the pg. duhon isn't good enough so they have to move the ball around on the perimeter. the ball movement in pheonix started with nash getting into the paint. since duhon can't do it as well, it relies on the other guys making more decisions with the ball. that's why you see so many bad shots/chucks. if the team had better shooters, then it would mask it better, but they don't. that's why i think marbury would've done a better job than duhon.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-12-2009 11:20 AM]

duhon isn't good enough to, what? his offense is not all about the PG, duhon has gotten a lot of guys in great shooting situations. They just miss.. when Al and nate get the ball and won't pass it, what does that have to do with duhons ability.. the only thing marbury would have done would be to add to the selfish play we are seeing now, but instead he would hang his head, say he got his 20-8 and point the fingers at his teamates... is that what you want?

Duhon's not good enough to consistently win games by himself. It's a silly coaching decision and a silly management decision. I think that was dj's original point, that MDA hasn't put his players in a position to succeed. The Knicks can hit foul shots; make them get to the line.

we have no one that can do that, and really is that what we are trying to do here, have a 1 man show? other than lebron, and kobe, there are not many of those guys around... the knick have been put in many situations to win.. D'antoni can't make the shots for them. simple and plain... And how can he make someone get to the line.Al harrington drove 4 times in a row to the basket and didn't get a call, is that Dantoni's fault?



[Edited by - tkf on 12-01-2009 2:45 PM]

I'm with you, it's not his fault that no one on this team can't do that. What's on MDA is that he continues to give the players the green light for three. They aren't good enough to get the green light from three. As a coach, he should have them get to the line. They're a good free throw shooting team. Take advantage of it. That's all I'm saying
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So it's his offense and not the players, correct? Duhon is OK but not a starter. Marbury wouldn't have done any better. Nate? LOL @ him at PG. Then you have Crawford 2 at forward (Al Harrington) who I could care less about since he is gone in 2 years. Who else? Lee has an offensive game? what can Q do? Tim Thomas? Curry? What? Who's left? Malik and Roberson? The personnel sucks. I'm pretty sure it's not the offense. Besides Duhon and the recently acquired Harrington, the guys I mentioned are all former Isiah Thomas acquisitions - including Tim Thomas.

watching how this whole offense is predicated on the pg penetrating into the lane, marbury would trump duhon tenfold.

forget the players for a second. they don't run any plays. it's one on one. stop looking at it in such extreme terms. yes, they don't have the talent, but i don't think d'antoni is maximizing their potential.

I dissagree, it is predicated on ball movement, penetrating and then PASSING.. that is where marbury would fail... marbury, nate and all would make us worse than the GS warriors.... why is it so hard to see that marbury trumps no one, because he doesn't run any offense except his own?

it relies 100% on the pg. duhon isn't good enough so they have to move the ball around on the perimeter. the ball movement in pheonix started with nash getting into the paint. since duhon can't do it as well, it relies on the other guys making more decisions with the ball. that's why you see so many bad shots/chucks. if the team had better shooters, then it would mask it better, but they don't. that's why i think marbury would've done a better job than duhon.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-12-2009 11:20 AM]

duhon isn't good enough to, what? his offense is not all about the PG, duhon has gotten a lot of guys in great shooting situations. They just miss.. when Al and nate get the ball and won't pass it, what does that have to do with duhons ability.. the only thing marbury would have done would be to add to the selfish play we are seeing now, but instead he would hang his head, say he got his 20-8 and point the fingers at his teamates... is that what you want?

Duhon's not good enough to consistently win games by himself. It's a silly coaching decision and a silly management decision. I think that was dj's original point, that MDA hasn't put his players in a position to succeed. The Knicks can hit foul shots; make them get to the line.

we have no one that can do that, and really is that what we are trying to do here, have a 1 man show? other than lebron, and kobe, there are not many of those guys around... the knick have been put in many situations to win.. D'antoni can't make the shots for them. simple and plain... And how can he make someone get to the line.Al harrington drove 4 times in a row to the basket and didn't get a call, is that Dantoni's fault?



[Edited by - tkf on 12-01-2009 2:45 PM]

I'm with you, it's not his fault that no one on this team can't do that. What's on MDA is that he continues to give the players the green light for three. They aren't good enough to get the green light from three. As a coach, he should have them get to the line. They're a good free throw shooting team. Take advantage of it. That's all I'm saying

If you had a team of Chris Paul, John Stockton, magic Johnson, Larry Bird and Tim Duncan are they jacking up threes in D'Antoni's offense? Players make the decisions on the court. Our players make the wrong ones.

I beleive that D'Antoni expressed frustration at the team for "jacking up shots" instead of running the offense. A coach does not play and can only do so much.

This used to happen to me when I coached all the time. I would have a crappy young roster. They would make silly mistake after silly mistake. I would be criticized for not coaching fundamentals and being okay with the shots and passes they make. The next year I'd have a more mature roster and/or better players. That next year all of a sudden I was a genius on the fundamentals.
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1/12/2009  5:10 PM
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i still don't get how MDA can be questioned for having a system that's unproven in winning championships & yet people consistently harp over not hiring a head coach who hasn't even had any experience coaching in the NBA at all, much less developing any kind of system that leads to winning basketball.

D'Antoni troubles me. His answer to this losing streak is not buckling down on the defensive end, improving shot selection or taking care of the ball. His answer is to run more. I would expect more out of a quality coach than that. This is the time to evaluate a coach, not so much when everything is going perfect. That's just my opinion, so don't get bent out of shape you guys.
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1/12/2009  5:13 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by holfresh:

There are a few confusions here with posters missing the nuances in the point some or at least I'm trying to get across...Most of us here don't believe the Knicks should be doing better at this point...I really don't believe that...I don't rail against MDA because the Knicks aren't winning...They need to lose as many games as possible...My problem is the system we are investing into the next four years...

If we are doing to clean house and start from the bottom and rebuild, why are we going off in such an obtuse direction...Why are we trying to build a team that fits a particular system that has proven to be difficult to win in the playoffs???...We are drafting soft 6' 10" three point shooters...

Let's say four years from now MDA didn't get the 3 all-star he needs to make his system work to precision?..Do we now have to scrap the entire roster and make moves to hopefully to rebuild in another coaches image...Rebuilding takes too much time, effort and patients to pigeon-hole a Franchise with such a narrow view...The system has proven to be faulty in the playoffs...Given what we have gone through the last eight years, its a huge gamble to make at this point...


dude, move on... Walsh chose MDA & he's here now... now that he made his choice we need to focus on getting MDA the players he needs to succeed in his system... what are u saying, that MDA should be fired because his system hasn't led to any championships in the past seasons where his teams have averaged 54 wins per season over a 4 year stretch? no coach or GM comes w/any guarantees of bringing u a championsip... that holds true in any sport u wanna talk about... of course rebuilding carries risks... every thing does in sports... sports wouldn't be exciting w/o that element of risk & reward.

I'm sorry I really don't understand...The great Pat Riley with many rings adjusted his style of play when he got here...What does MDA have blinders on and he can't do anything else...It's fast pace three point shooting or bust???



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-12-2009 5:17 PM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 01-12-2009 5:18 PM]
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1/12/2009  5:14 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I dont' think D'Antoni is a world beater. He's not the greatest coach in the NBA. But who are you getting that's better? Every coach you can bring in here will have the label of either

1.) Can't win in the playoffs
2.) New coach

It wouldn't matter who we brought it, we would pick at their flaws. Same record with Mark Jackson we'd be "critiquing" him too.

Why would you criticize a new coach in what would be clearly a rebuilding effort. I think that was the questions asked of Walsh at D'Antoni's press conference. He said he believe they will stay focus on 2010 and still remain competitive. Believe they can make the playoffs. Which D'Antoni seemed to agree with. Walsh got hold of Dolan's money and starphuck him a coach.
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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