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1/2/2009  3:50 PM
Posted by Hoopsmeister:
Posted by nyk4ever:
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THE CELTICS HAVE NO ROSTER SPACE AVAILABLE SO THIS WHOLE THING IS NOT A REAL ISSUE, THE CELTS HAVE TO DROP CASSELL or POWE or DAVIS OR PRUITT, THEY WILL NOT DO ANY OF THIS, SO WHAT"S THE BIG DEAL?.

OR THEY CAN CUT PATRICK O'BRYANT, J.R. GIDDENS OR BILL WALKER.

Nope, they all have 2 yrs , this one and next yr, they will not cut any young players with 2 yrs for Marbury, that will not happen, so try again.

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1/2/2009  4:19 PM
There are two reasons why this will never happen. The first reason is Steph's ego. He has never not gotten his way as an athlete. He does not understand that he will have to give up something to get something because he has always just been given it. He is incapable of negotiating with Walsh because he will not give up anything. The second reason is that Walsh still sees him as a possible trade asset. Nothing will be done until the trade deadline passes. After that, Marbury will need to compromise on his contract or expect to not be waived until after the deadline for teams to add players to their playoff roster. There is no reason for Walsh to rush to do anything with this. The more Steph puts himself out there the more likely he is to do or say something very stupid.
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1/2/2009  5:27 PM
Posted by nysportsfan11:

Move on already.

Is it not just a little coincidental that this story would "break" just 2 days before NY plays Boston, and was made sure to get to Stein in time for the Friday news cycle as opposed to the weekend? So now the focus is ONCE AGAIN on Marbury.

Shortsighted, overpaid, star****ing deals like Steph's are what got the Knicks in this entire cap-hell predicament. At the end of the day, Colangelo atoned for his mistake as soon as he realized it and Isiah and Dolan were all too happy to help him create a contender...in Phoenix.

What do you prove by holding out to get back $3-5mil in a buyout when you've already paid the guy over $100 million and doled out an additional $100 million for being over the cap every year he was here? You have 1 playoff series (in which you were embarrassed), a record of 88-151 and countless controversies and headlines to show for $200 million and NOW you want to bitch about his deal? Is that vindication or pettiness? Oh yeah, we got back 1.5%, that'll show em who's boss and we're not to be taken lightly. Please.

Either let him walk or let him expire. Just as he has every right to expect to be paid, the Knicks have every right to do whatever the **** they want within the rules of the CBA until July 1, 2009. If they are fortunate enough, they'll find a lucky dumbass who's willing to trade for his expiring. You don't want him to play for a contender because you for some reason give a ****? Waive him after March 2nd, which isn't THAT far away. Personally, if they let him walk before then and he ends up with the Celtics or Lakers, who gives a ****? Whopdee-****ing-do. Jud Bueschler has a ring too.

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BTW Antoine Walker got 95% of his salary from the Grizzlies in his buyout. I believe Cassell got about the same maybe slightly more from the Clippers. Tim Thomas is currently injured. We need another body more than anything else. I kind of wonder what many would be saying if Marbury stated he wanted to sign with OKC?


[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-02-2009 5:33 PM]
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1/2/2009  5:38 PM
Let him sit all yr, dont buyout,dont waive him.Hes never gonna get a last contract because he hasnt played in so long. Everytime he goes public he sticks his foot in his mouth and makes himself look like an azz. If Im Donnie I let him talk all he wants,hes only hurting himself. Notice his name comes up at least once a week in the papers, you think that coincidence?? Nope his pr man does that so he wont be forgotten and put on the back page. To me this goes back to last yr when he refused to play. I did like him like 3 or 4 yrs ago but he has proven to be a POS now. Or maybe a better word is ASSWIPE!!!! sorry Martin!!
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1/2/2009  5:51 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Can anyone give me a logical reason why any NBA team would cut there best player without at least attempting to get something in return? As a new GM for a team that has been used by every player under the sun for the last 7 years, I don't let him go unless he accepts some of my terms or I've exhausted all possible trade scenarios. It's easy to sit back and say you can't trade Marbs and get anything of worth. That may be true, but what's the harm in trying? Without Marbs here we are still 12-18.

Totally agree.
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1/2/2009  5:59 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bippity10:

Can anyone give me a logical reason why any NBA team would cut there best player without at least attempting to get something in return? As a new GM for a team that has been used by every player under the sun for the last 7 years, I don't let him go unless he accepts some of my terms or I've exhausted all possible trade scenarios. It's easy to sit back and say you can't trade Marbs and get anything of worth. That may be true, but what's the harm in trying? Without Marbs here we are still 12-18.

Can I get an A-MEN?

I temporarily rescindmyfinebury to not post in this thread anymore. I will keep it narrow.

*If he's our best player then why don't we play him.
*If there's some reason or action that has superceded his talent level which has resulted in us not playing him then what makes him attractive to other teams at his present salary.
*Someone, please, anyone, explain who we could trade with and what we could get back in a trade for 21.9M dollars that wouldn't (a) ruin our cap space we worked so hard to achieve, (b) be players of actual value in return and not total bums that the other team wants gone so badly that they just want marb's cap space, (c) what good players can we get from what good team that wouldn't be gutting itself in the process to acquire 21.9M of salary for a player we deemed worthy of being exiled.


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1/2/2009  6:00 PM
only people to blame for this entire situation is knicks management. could've cut him in october but chose not too. now he's always in the press. with the knicks stinking as of late, marbury is still the story in ny. seems like lessons were not learned.
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1/2/2009  6:03 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Bippity10:

Can anyone give me a logical reason why any NBA team would cut there best player without at least attempting to get something in return? As a new GM for a team that has been used by every player under the sun for the last 7 years, I don't let him go unless he accepts some of my terms or I've exhausted all possible trade scenarios. It's easy to sit back and say you can't trade Marbs and get anything of worth. That may be true, but what's the harm in trying? Without Marbs here we are still 12-18.

Totally agree.

You get an open roster spot. It's done all the time in the NBA. I guess other GM's are stupid and you two aren't.
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1/2/2009  6:09 PM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Bippity10:

Can anyone give me a logical reason why any NBA team would cut there best player without at least attempting to get something in return? As a new GM for a team that has been used by every player under the sun for the last 7 years, I don't let him go unless he accepts some of my terms or I've exhausted all possible trade scenarios. It's easy to sit back and say you can't trade Marbs and get anything of worth. That may be true, but what's the harm in trying? Without Marbs here we are still 12-18.

Totally agree.

You get an open roster spot. It's done all the time in the NBA. I guess other GM's are stupid and you two aren't.

Again, you exhaust all possibilities and trade scenarios first. You never know what might open up as the trade deadline approaches. Injuries occur, other situations arrise as the marathon of the season continues. Had Walsh listened to half of the genius's on this board in the summer, we would have given Zach away along with our 6th pick in the draft for nothing.
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1/2/2009  6:23 PM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Bippity10:

Can anyone give me a logical reason why any NBA team would cut there best player without at least attempting to get something in return? As a new GM for a team that has been used by every player under the sun for the last 7 years, I don't let him go unless he accepts some of my terms or I've exhausted all possible trade scenarios. It's easy to sit back and say you can't trade Marbs and get anything of worth. That may be true, but what's the harm in trying? Without Marbs here we are still 12-18.

Totally agree.

You get an open roster spot. It's done all the time in the NBA. I guess other GM's are stupid and you two aren't.

No need to get piossy you big baby. You are rebuilding for years down the line. Isn't it a little short sighted to cut your most talented player that has an ending contract just so you can open up a roster spot to sign someone that is inconsequential to your success 2,3, 4 years from now and not get anything in return. Whether it's money or it's a pick or it's a player I'm not sure I understand what the rush is. Is it just because the Post reports on him?
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1/2/2009  6:26 PM
I'm not here to call anyone smart or stupid like some of the big babies on this site(no, I'm not above calling someone a big baby). I just don't understand why we HAVE TO GET RID OF MARBS AT ALL COSTS. The man is irrelevant. If Walsh determines he cannot get anything for him and decides to cut him tomorrow then I understand that move. No harm done, we move on. If he decides to hold onto him and see if he can get something of value for his contract, WHY NOT??? What is the rush??? Why does this mean Marbs is being mistreated? He can accept a buyout at anytime.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 02-01-2009 6:30 PM]
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1/2/2009  6:31 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm not here to call anyone smart or stupid like some of the big babies on this site(no, I'm not above calling someone a big baby). I just don't understand why we HAVE TO GET RID OF MARBS AT ALL COSTS. The man is irrelevant. If Walsh determines he cannot get anything for him and decides to cut him tomorrow then I understand that move. No harm done, we move on. If he decides to hold onto him and see if he can get something of value for his contract, WHY NOT??? What is the rush???

Totally agree Bip.

There is no reason to just cut Marbury in October. In fact that would have played more into the calls of "spite" and "not learning our lessons."
-"Spite" would have been played here because instead of seeing what kind of value can get you, you just cut him because of his mouth and what he's done to the organization.
-"Not Learning Our Lesson" would have been played here because Donnie would have been doing the same thing Isiah did throughout his whole tenure here - not maximize his resources. Like it or not, Marbury's expiring is a resource at the moment and there was no reason to cut loose that resource in October.

Donnie has done everything right here.
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1/2/2009  7:25 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

only people to blame for this entire situation is knicks management. could've cut him in october but chose not too. now he's always in the press. with the knicks stinking as of late, marbury is still the story in ny. seems like lessons were not learned.

Marbury is in the media cause he put himself there and Berman sold his soul. Big deal.

All I know is that 1) the Knicks benched their most talented player, 2) traded away their best 2 starters, 3)haven't played their first round pick, 4) are decimated with injuries and still have a better record than Toronto who 1) has an all-star PF, 2) has a former #1 pick, 2) traded for a former but always hurting PF and 3) whatever, I am too tired to think about this any more.
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1/2/2009  7:47 PM
Posted by tkf:
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I don't watch the celts.

Watching the Wacky KG and his super intense nut job act is really too much on me. I appreciate his talent, but the team is unwatchable.

Marbury would be a perfect suck up on that act to prove he still has his cred.

It would also sell alot of sneakers if he can make a deep run in the playoffs.

This guy really made a DVD about his work outs last summer? I want a copy.

Does the Celtics have no. 3 retired or being used?

What a wacky group the Celts have become. Too bad Spree could not make a comeback and join them.


I agree, KG is a great talent, just too over the top for me to bear at times..

Marbury should fit right in...

can't wait until he tells Doc Rivers to go "F" himself and if he doesn't play him, he is going to uneleash all the "dirt" he has on him..

What do you guys mean? I love KG's intensity and wish every Knick had it. I never thought anyone would have a negative reaction to it.

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1/2/2009  9:26 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm not here to call anyone smart or stupid like some of the big babies on this site(no, I'm not above calling someone a big baby). I just don't understand why we HAVE TO GET RID OF MARBS AT ALL COSTS. The man is irrelevant. If Walsh determines he cannot get anything for him and decides to cut him tomorrow then I understand that move. No harm done, we move on. If he decides to hold onto him and see if he can get something of value for his contract, WHY NOT??? What is the rush???

Totally agree Bip.

There is no reason to just cut Marbury in October. In fact that would have played more into the calls of "spite" and "not learning our lessons."
-"Spite" would have been played here because instead of seeing what kind of value can get you, you just cut him because of his mouth and what he's done to the organization.
-"Not Learning Our Lesson" would have been played here because Donnie would have been doing the same thing Isiah did throughout his whole tenure here - not maximize his resources. Like it or not, Marbury's expiring is a resource at the moment and there was no reason to cut loose that resource in October.

Donnie has done everything right here.

How can you possibly say that Walsh has done everything right here in regards to Marbury? They went into the season with no plan whatsoever. As far as anybody knew, they were going to let Marbury play and hopefully increase his trade value. Instead D'Antoni decides to DNP Marbury for the first 2 games. When Walsh is asked about the situation, he says that he has no idea what his coach is doing and has to talk to him to find out. Now it's a soap opera.

I agree that buying Marbury out in October would have been the wrong move. I thought the best move would have been to allow him to play in D'Antoni's system to build up his trade value. Then if the trade deadline passed without any takers, I would have immediately bought him out. At this point, with Marbury in exile, there's no chance of a trade so they might as well just buy him out and sign a player.
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Posted by islesfan:

I thought the best move would have been to allow him to play in D'Antoni's system to build up his trade value.

I disagree because it would have depreciated the value of other problematic players such as Craw and Zach and diminished development of young players like Chandler and Nate. Offense to some degree would be controlled and at times ran, going through Marbury. Should have decided buying him out in the summer because the dollar figure would have been probably more negotiable. When he was told he'd have a fair shot is when Marbury felt he belonged and gave him the wrong idea of where his place would be on this team. When coach didn't allow the chance to come to fruition Marbury saw how things would go for him at that point, so he felt no other choice than to protect his interest. Between striking a deal with Clippers(possibly obtaining a TE) and buying out Marbury in the summer could have opened the door to filling out the roster considerably, when there were better players available.
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Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by islesfan:

I thought the best move would have been to allow him to play in D'Antoni's system to build up his trade value.

I disagree because it would have depreciated the value of other problematic players such as Craw and Zach and diminished development of young players like Chandler and Nate.
Bingo. We got rid of Craw and Zach and have room for one star FA in 2010 plus re-signing one or two of our young players or we can sign another FA easily in 2010. We should also get another solid lottery pick who, like Wilson, will be on a rookie contract in 2010. These factors alone make this season more than I could have asked for. Would I sacrafice any of that just so we could increase the trade value of a player from zero to slightly above zero when his contract will expire in 3 1/2 months anyway? Hell no!
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm not here to call anyone smart or stupid like some of the big babies on this site(no, I'm not above calling someone a big baby). I just don't understand why we HAVE TO GET RID OF MARBS AT ALL COSTS. The man is irrelevant. If Walsh determines he cannot get anything for him and decides to cut him tomorrow then I understand that move. No harm done, we move on. If he decides to hold onto him and see if he can get something of value for his contract, WHY NOT??? What is the rush???

Totally agree Bip.

There is no reason to just cut Marbury in October. In fact that would have played more into the calls of "spite" and "not learning our lessons."
-"Spite" would have been played here because instead of seeing what kind of value can get you, you just cut him because of his mouth and what he's done to the organization.
-"Not Learning Our Lesson" would have been played here because Donnie would have been doing the same thing Isiah did throughout his whole tenure here - not maximize his resources. Like it or not, Marbury's expiring is a resource at the moment and there was no reason to cut loose that resource in October.

Donnie has done everything right here.

How can you possibly say that Walsh has done everything right here in regards to Marbury? They went into the season with no plan whatsoever. As far as anybody knew, they were going to let Marbury play and hopefully increase his trade value. Instead D'Antoni decides to DNP Marbury for the first 2 games. When Walsh is asked about the situation, he says that he has no idea what his coach is doing and has to talk to him to find out. Now it's a soap opera.

I agree that buying Marbury out in October would have been the wrong move. I thought the best move would have been to allow him to play in D'Antoni's system to build up his trade value. Then if the trade deadline passed without any takers, I would have immediately bought him out. At this point, with Marbury in exile, there's no chance of a trade so they might as well just buy him out and sign a player.

Any possibility that the players said that they did not want to play with Marbury this year? Any possibility of that at all?

Sure there are other ways of handling situations and since they didn't occur it is impossible to say if one would have worked better. For all we know Marbs could have started at the PG and been a superstar in this system. For all we know he could have f'd an intern and then abandoned the team at game 5 because the coach asked him to go to the bench. We have no idea how it would have gone down.

What I don't understand is how people keep saying that Walsh/D'Antoni "got us into this situation". What situation? Besides the post reporting on an irrelevant player, what situation are we in? For 8 years we have been run by the inmates. We have given in to every demand of every lazy asse player under the sun. We finally have a GM/Coach who will put their feet down and say "you aren't getting everything from us without giving a little". We are finally sending a message to future players that the Gm/Coach are in charge. This approach is so foreign to us that when our GM does it we call it "mistreatment". Marbs will eventually be bought out and be gone. The only thing that will change in our situation is that instead of the Post writing articles about how we should buy him out, they will be writing articles about how great he is doing and that we never should have bought him out.
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1/4/2009  11:59 AM
So you're saying that after 8 years of having the inmates run the asylum, you're glad that finally the GM/Coach is putting their feet down BUT your excuse for why Marbury wasn't played is because there's a chance that the players said they didn't want to play with him this year???
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So you're saying that after 8 years of having the inmates run the asylum, you're glad that finally the GM/Coach is putting their feet down BUT your excuse for why Marbury wasn't played is because there's a chance that the players said they didn't want to play with him this year???

Come on guy, you can see the difference. I know you aren't dumb, just trying to be difficult. The team wanted to move on without Marbs and they have. The rest of us havent'. The media and the fans haven't moved on. D'Antoni made the decision not to play him and my guess is it's based on the conversations from the preseason and his own personal experience with him. HE is the coach, at this point he can decide who he wants to play. He has no obligation to Marbs anymore than he has an obligation to Anthony Roberson. Why fans think a coach has to play a player is ridiculous.

At that point it is up to Donnie to trade or cut him. He is under no forced order to cut him "right now". And no one has given a valid reason as to why we have to cut him "Right now at all costs". If we can trade him, we trade him. If we can't, we can't. IF he accepts a buyout on our terms he accepts a buyout on our terms. NOthing will change in the Knicks situation the day after he is cut other than a few fans will need to find a different way to say that D'antoni and Walsh are idiots.
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