Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by oohah:

EXAMPLE 2:

There is a neighborhood bully named Stephen Moonbury. A new bigger bully moves into the neighborhood and punches moonbury in the face.

All the other kids are happy that Stephen Moonbury got beat up for once.

But that doesn't mean it was right for the new, bigger bully to punch Stephen Moonbury in the face.

You know why? Because 2 wrongs don't make a right. I hope you understand that Blue.

oohah

The same thing is happenning to Antoine walker, why no outrage there? The same thing happened to Tim Thomas when traded to the bulls. Were you upset when isiah sent Penny home for no reason?

You want equal treatment for marbury. Fine. he is getting what other teams have done to players who are not in their plans. So my question that remains unanswered is.. Do you feel the grizzlies are mistreating Antoine walker?

[Edited by - tkf on 22-11-2008 4:48 PM]

If Marbury wins a championship, he has a chance to go to the Hall of Fame. Antoine Walker and Tim Thomas cannot.

Going to the Hall of Fame in any sport, involves actions taken off the court/field as well as on it. Marbury is the exact opposite to use as an example for good behavior and respect. And if he ends up on a championship team, the ring will be a garbage pick up.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by oohah:

EXAMPLE 2:

There is a neighborhood bully named Stephen Moonbury. A new bigger bully moves into the neighborhood and punches moonbury in the face.

All the other kids are happy that Stephen Moonbury got beat up for once.

But that doesn't mean it was right for the new, bigger bully to punch Stephen Moonbury in the face.

You know why? Because 2 wrongs don't make a right. I hope you understand that Blue.

oohah

The same thing is happenning to Antoine walker, why no outrage there? The same thing happened to Tim Thomas when traded to the bulls. Were you upset when isiah sent Penny home for no reason?

You want equal treatment for marbury. Fine. he is getting what other teams have done to players who are not in their plans. So my question that remains unanswered is.. Do you feel the grizzlies are mistreating Antoine walker?

[Edited by - tkf on 22-11-2008 4:48 PM]

If Marbury wins a championship, he has a chance to go to the Hall of Fame. Antoine Walker and Tim Thomas cannot.

Going to the Hall of Fame in any sport, involves actions taken off the court/field as well as on it. Marbury is the exact opposite to use as an example for good behavior and respect. And if he ends up on a championship team, the ring will be a garbage pick up.

Steph will go to the NYC Hall Of Shame... And will be greatest ever...
OK... May be second after Isiah Tomas


[Edited by - arkrud on 11-22-2008 6:12 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 11-22-2008 6:13 PM]

Posted by Allanfan20:

I will say this.

Maybe D'Antoni was thinking of reinserting Stephon Marbury into the system, and if that's the case, then our friend blew an enormous opportunity. This is business and sometimes the winds change direction. Perhaps Marbury could have even won himself the starting 2guard spot, in D'Antoni's eyes, so who's to say that he was only talking about LAST NIGHT when he said there's 35 minutes for you to take.

This was an enormously stupid move by Marbury. He could have done ALL of the following with one stone:

-Raise his value for his next contract.
-Redeem himself to his teammates.
-Redeem himself to the fans and NY.
-Earned himself a position in the rotation, and if not that, raise his value so he could be traded to a team with a position for him.
-Warm himself up to Donnie Walsh and Dolan, and have them change their minds about buying out his FULL contract so he can move on.
-Get a chance to actually PLAY and enjoy himself instead of being Scowlbury.

Marbury lost the opportunity. He just made himself look bad to the entire NBA and now his chances to get a new contract are MUCH slimmer.

And now Stephon Marbury is the one that looks like a soar loser. Not just a loser, but a sore loser. D'Antoni found that maybe he'll have the ability to play Marbury for the rest of the season and again, Marbury washed it away. This isn't f'ing around with Marbury. This is Marbury f'ing around with himself and the team and the city.

It's ashame that he's turned out like this. Could have been one of the top 5 players in the NBA for a long time, and he STILL has the talent. What a waste.

MDA was not thinking of reinstating him because as Marbury was told once again yesterday, he is not part of the team going forward...That is, if you want to believe what you are reading in the last article about this mess...

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by oohah:

EXAMPLE 2:

There is a neighborhood bully named Stephen Moonbury. A new bigger bully moves into the neighborhood and punches moonbury in the face.

All the other kids are happy that Stephen Moonbury got beat up for once.

But that doesn't mean it was right for the new, bigger bully to punch Stephen Moonbury in the face.

You know why? Because 2 wrongs don't make a right. I hope you understand that Blue.

oohah

Stop patronizing me with this "I hope you understand that" crap. Every step of the way people have tried to discredit me as someone with a perverted fetish and a blind hate for everything Marbury, but you know quite well I've been dead on about him every step along the way. I've anything I've underestimated his toxicity. There is no vast right wing conspiracy out to get Marbury, he's simply managed his own existence in ways that alienate him form teammates, coaches and GMs. I would have thought that by now even you could understand that.

Yu can give up the line about D' or W being bullies or sherrifs. A better anology would be coordinators of Superfund cleanup sites. There job is to clean up the mess that is this franchise, and guys who want to pimp themselves as being above the coach, their teammates, and the franchise have to be addresses first. Marbury established himself as that many times over in his career, but most recently it was in training camp this year, when he stated outright he would not accept a bench role.

You're still trying to portray him as a victim. You're insinuating that what's happened to him this year has been so eggregiuos that a refusal to play (breech of contract, or at a minimum a fine able offense) should be expected. But nothing eggregious has occurred. Marbury simply shat on and soiled his clean slate on day one by refusing his role. Not only that, but such self serving behavior is hardly unique to this situation. This is the guy who tanked the game against Orlando in LB's era, and who split on the team last year when another coach gave him a bench role, and who chose surgery over the role for the remainder of the year.

Trying to blame Marbury's failings on D', W (or my favorite: my blind hate) is beyond wrong, it's bizarre. I hope you can understand that.

Blue, while Marbury may have done nothing in his career to garner any benefit of a doubt in this situation, you do have to admit that the handling of the situation by both MDA and Walsh leaves lots to be desired...My problem with MDA here is that it seems like he gave Marbruy an option to play the last game...Then was only happy to run to the press to say that Marbury didn't want to play...Now you can dump all you want on Marbs for his past misbehavior, but he isn't the one that needs to be ridiculed here...

Posted by holfresh:

MDA was not thinking of reinstating him because as Marbury was told once again yesterday, he is not part of the team going forward...That is, if you want to believe what you are reading in the last article about this mess...

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Allanfan20:

I will say this.

Maybe D'Antoni was thinking of reinserting Stephon Marbury into the system, and if that's the case, then our friend blew an enormous opportunity. This is business and sometimes the winds change direction. Perhaps Marbury could have even won himself the starting 2guard spot, in D'Antoni's eyes, so who's to say that he was only talking about LAST NIGHT when he said there's 35 minutes for you to take.

This was an enormously stupid move by Marbury. He could have done ALL of the following with one stone:

-Raise his value for his next contract.
-Redeem himself to his teammates.
-Redeem himself to the fans and NY.
-Earned himself a position in the rotation, and if not that, raise his value so he could be traded to a team with a position for him.
-Warm himself up to Donnie Walsh and Dolan, and have them change their minds about buying out his FULL contract so he can move on.
-Get a chance to actually PLAY and enjoy himself instead of being Scowlbury.

Marbury lost the opportunity. He just made himself look bad to the entire NBA and now his chances to get a new contract are MUCH slimmer.

And now Stephon Marbury is the one that looks like a soar loser. Not just a loser, but a sore loser. D'Antoni found that maybe he'll have the ability to play Marbury for the rest of the season and again, Marbury washed it away. This isn't f'ing around with Marbury. This is Marbury f'ing around with himself and the team and the city.

It's ashame that he's turned out like this. Could have been one of the top 5 players in the NBA for a long time, and he STILL has the talent. What a waste.

MDA was not thinking of reinstating him because as Marbury was told once again yesterday, he is not part of the team going forward...That is, if you want to believe what you are reading in the last article about this mess...

I'm not talking about any article. I'm talking about what I believe is the case, based on my opinions and theories, just as what you're talking about.

And even if MDA was not thinking of reinstating Marbury, who cares?

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by oohah:

EXAMPLE 2:

There is a neighborhood bully named Stephen Moonbury. A new bigger bully moves into the neighborhood and punches moonbury in the face.

All the other kids are happy that Stephen Moonbury got beat up for once.

But that doesn't mean it was right for the new, bigger bully to punch Stephen Moonbury in the face.

You know why? Because 2 wrongs don't make a right. I hope you understand that Blue.

oohah

Stop patronizing me with this "I hope you understand that" crap. Every step of the way people have tried to discredit me as someone with a perverted fetish and a blind hate for everything Marbury, but you know quite well I've been dead on about him every step along the way. I've anything I've underestimated his toxicity. There is no vast right wing conspiracy out to get Marbury, he's simply managed his own existence in ways that alienate him form teammates, coaches and GMs. I would have thought that by now even you could understand that.

Yu can give up the line about D' or W being bullies or sherrifs. A better anology would be coordinators of Superfund cleanup sites. There job is to clean up the mess that is this franchise, and guys who want to pimp themselves as being above the coach, their teammates, and the franchise have to be addresses first. Marbury established himself as that many times over in his career, but most recently it was in training camp this year, when he stated outright he would not accept a bench role.

You're still trying to portray him as a victim. You're insinuating that what's happened to him this year has been so eggregiuos that a refusal to play (breech of contract, or at a minimum a fine able offense) should be expected. But nothing eggregious has occurred. Marbury simply shat on and soiled his clean slate on day one by refusing his role. Not only that, but such self serving behavior is hardly unique to this situation. This is the guy who tanked the game against Orlando in LB's era, and who split on the team last year when another coach gave him a bench role, and who chose surgery over the role for the remainder of the year.

Trying to blame Marbury's failings on D', W (or my favorite: my blind hate) is beyond wrong, it's bizarre. I hope you can understand that.

Blue, while Marbury may have done nothing in his career to garner any benefit of a doubt in this situation, you do have to admit that the handling of the situation by both MDA and Walsh leaves lots to be desired...My problem with MDA here is that it seems like he gave Marbruy an option to play the last game...Then was only happy to run to the press to say that Marbury didn't want to play...Now you can dump all you want on Marbs for his past misbehavior, but he isn't the one that needs to be ridiculed here...

Fresh, did MDA "run to the press" or do league rules require that he address them? He told the truth, Marbury had the option to play and declined.

Marbury could take a buyout and be paid and playing, and the team could move on without his distraction, but he refuses. The disconnect between what is best for him and the franchise, vs the imbroglio he's chosen instead makes any other criticism secondary.

The same thing is happenning to Antoine walker, why no outrage there? The same thing happened to Tim Thomas when traded to the bulls. Were you upset when isiah sent Penny home for no reason?

You want equal treatment for marbury. Fine. he is getting what other teams have done to players who are not in their plans. So my question that remains unanswered is.. Do you feel the grizzlies are mistreating Antoine walker?