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11/22/2008  11:36 AM
I'm starting to believe Luke Harangody is going to be a white Zach Randolph
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11/22/2008  11:40 AM
Posted by oohah:
Thabeet is a lock top 5 player. He is in the circle of 5. I don't think he will go 1 but I would doubt he will last past 5. Uconn might have another lottery pick for this year named Kemba Walker who looks like a taller TJ Ford.

Stop triple-talking BRIGGS. I am not talking about the draft's top 5, I am talking about your top 5 (Or whatever, it doesn't have to be 5).

Name 'em and stick to them. You can wait until after the college season if you like, but for once stick to what you say!!!!

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As of right now I have personally locked Griffin 1 Curry 2 Thabeet top 5. I need to watch much more basketball to make a solid prediction of the top 5 or 10--I went head of myself last year--Im not doing that this year. I want to see the guys play. But if you must you can print it Griffin 1 Curry 2 Thabeet top 5 and that wont change.
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11/22/2008  2:16 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BRIGGS:



You can say whatever you want. I'm sure--well I'm not sure the Knicks get it--but other teams sure will. He's proving adaptability and skill to PG and he's doing it in a big time way. I would pick him 2 in the draft.


Let's see if you can stick to that.


oohah

you're not allowed to quote him on predictions until the day of the draft... u should know this by now.
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11/22/2008  2:18 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
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Anthony Randolp last night 10 points 9 rebounds 4 blocks in 13 minutes I dont care what ails Gallinari he doesnt have that type of talent.

Not fair to talk about an injured player like that, and less when its known he does have talent but just needs to recover to show it. Let the rooster recover and then we can talk about comparisons.

It's fair. If the guy was 110% healthy he does not have the physical ability to do it. Let's face it--right now the pick is a nightmare of monumental proportions with what has transpired at this POINT. I hope for the Knicks that he can atleast come back and we can good signs within 2 months. All I ask for is health and a glimpse that he can be good. We shouldve taken Randolph Mcgee Lopez or Bayless but thats just to bad--we had to go with the fancy pick.

Sure, he's a better athelete than The Rooster. We all knew this heading into the draft. What we also know is that The Rooster is a better shooter than Randolph and his ability shows up in the intangible, his ability to knock down big shot. Don't let your knee tear a hole through your desk.

agreed... Gallo's never gonna be blocking 4 shots in a game but he damn well might be throwing down 3's in your grille 1 of these days if he ever gets healthy... would 20 & 7 type numbers be that much out of the question for a kid w/his talent? who knows, maybe, maybe not... only 1 way to find out & that is to wait to make these types of projections until we finally see him start to play some damn games & stop pretending we know something about his upside when we haven't even seen him play any appreciable amount of NBA minutes yet.
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11/22/2008  2:28 PM
Posted by TMS:

Griffin, Jennings, Derozan, Mullens or Thabeet would all be awesome choices in this year's draft... after the trades we just pulled off we might just have a realistic shot at getting 1 of them.

I heard Jennings is garbage overseas
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11/22/2008  3:00 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
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Griffin, Jennings, Derozan, Mullens or Thabeet would all be awesome choices in this year's draft... after the trades we just pulled off we might just have a realistic shot at getting 1 of them.

I heard Jennings is garbage overseas

where'd u hear this... all i know is he's a HS kid just starting to learn the pro style of game... u can't scoff at the #'s this kid put up in HS... kid averaged 35.5 / 7.5 asts / 5 rebs / 4 stls per in his senior season.
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11/22/2008  4:46 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by TMS:

Griffin, Jennings, Derozan, Mullens or Thabeet would all be awesome choices in this year's draft... after the trades we just pulled off we might just have a realistic shot at getting 1 of them.

I heard Jennings is garbage overseas

where'd u hear this... all i know is he's a HS kid just starting to learn the pro style of game... u can't scoff at the #'s this kid put up in HS... kid averaged 35.5 / 7.5 asts / 5 rebs / 4 stls per in his senior season.

Ok well now he is averaging 20mpg with 10.5ppg 2.2rpg 1.5 apg 1.5 to while shooting 43% from the field. I don't want to bank my hopes on some one with those stats
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11/22/2008  5:01 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
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Anthony Randolp last night 10 points 9 rebounds 4 blocks in 13 minutes I dont care what ails Gallinari he doesnt have that type of talent.

Not fair to talk about an injured player like that, and less when its known he does have talent but just needs to recover to show it. Let the rooster recover and then we can talk about comparisons.

It's fair. If the guy was 110% healthy he does not have the physical ability to do it. Let's face it--right now the pick is a nightmare of monumental proportions with what has transpired at this POINT. I hope for the Knicks that he can atleast come back and we can good signs within 2 months. All I ask for is health and a glimpse that he can be good. We shouldve taken Randolph Mcgee Lopez or Bayless but thats just to bad--we had to go with the fancy pick.

Sure, he's a better athelete than The Rooster. We all knew this heading into the draft. What we also know is that The Rooster is a better shooter than Randolph and his ability shows up in the intangible, his ability to knock down big shot. Don't let your knee tear a hole through your desk.

Where do being able to stay on the court and withstand a blocking foul rank on your intangible list? There are plenty of guys who aren't in the NBA right now that can shoot better than most players in the league and you can argue have better BB IQ and intangibles but can't survive in the league.
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Originally posted by TMS:

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Originally posted by Cookdcokehop:

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Originally posted by TMS:

Griffin, Jennings, Derozan, Mullens or Thabeet would all be awesome choices in this year's draft... after the trades we just pulled off we might just have a realistic shot at getting 1 of them.
I heard Jennings is garbage overseas

where'd u hear this... all i know is he's a HS kid just starting to learn the pro style of game... u can't scoff at the #'s this kid put up in HS... kid averaged 35.5 / 7.5 asts / 5 rebs / 4 stls per in his senior season.

Ok well now he is averaging 20mpg with 10.5ppg 2.2rpg 1.5 apg 1.5 to while shooting 43% from the field. I don't want to bank my hopes on some one with those stats

He has played 4 games. Lets not get crazy.
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11/22/2008  5:08 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Anthony Randolp last night 10 points 9 rebounds 4 blocks in 13 minutes I dont care what ails Gallinari he doesnt have that type of talent.

Not fair to talk about an injured player like that, and less when its known he does have talent but just needs to recover to show it. Let the rooster recover and then we can talk about comparisons.

It's fair. If the guy was 110% healthy he does not have the physical ability to do it. Let's face it--right now the pick is a nightmare of monumental proportions with what has transpired at this POINT. I hope for the Knicks that he can atleast come back and we can good signs within 2 months. All I ask for is health and a glimpse that he can be good. We shouldve taken Randolph Mcgee Lopez or Bayless but thats just to bad--we had to go with the fancy pick.

Sure, he's a better athelete than The Rooster. We all knew this heading into the draft. What we also know is that The Rooster is a better shooter than Randolph and his ability shows up in the intangible, his ability to knock down big shot. Don't let your knee tear a hole through your desk.

Where do being able to stay on the court and withstand a blocking foul rank on your intangible list? There are plenty of guys who aren't in the NBA right now that can shoot better than most players in the league and you can argue have better BB IQ and intangibles but can't survive in the league.

I won't pretend like I'm not worried that Gallo is damaged goods or not. Because I very much am. My point was we knew Gallo didn't have those physical tools to begin with, and we knew Anthony Randolph had the physical tools to pull off games like that (but it remains to see if he'll be more than the next Stromile Swift).

So, it just seems silly to me to comment on Anthony Randolph versus Gallo after one game, where we first have to see if Gallo will actually play a game and if Anthony Randolph can string a series of those types games together. For all we know Gallo comes back after one game and scores 37 on 5-8 from three and the following game blows his back to pieces.

Another knee-jerk prospect post (not yours).
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11/22/2008  8:26 PM

I think Griffin is not nearly as good as people think. Nice player, yes. The new Amare Stoudemire, no.

oohah

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=200811220444






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11/22/2008  11:56 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:


I think Griffin is not nearly as good as people think. Nice player, yes. The new Amare Stoudemire, no.

oohah

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=200811220444

Wow, Griffin really tore up super-power Gardner-Webb!

Have you ever heard of Wayman Tisdale? I believe he had a better game than that in his first game ever at the college level. Tisdale is also the only Division 1 college player to be voted first team all-american his first 3 years in school.

So I guess by your logic Wayman Tisdale must have been the best power forward to ever play pro basketball, right?

You ever hear of Derrick Coleman? Need I say more?

Make an actual case BRIGGS, don't just post links to games, especially when the comp is OU VS. Gardner Webb, for the love of Mike, that is some weak stuff you're bringing!

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[Edited by - oohah on 22-11-2008 11:57 PM]
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I just don't see how anyone can be critical of a kid that's hurt and hasn't gotten a chance to show what he can do yet. Gallo's played in 2 games where he's gotten only a small handful of mins. combined - opening night against the Heat and on the road vs. Philly. Don't feel like looking back at box scores but I betcha it's less than 10 mins. combined for both those games. Those are cup-of-coffee minutes right there. Impossible to show much of anything with limited PT like that, I don't care who you are. Plus he was playing hurt, obviously not up to game speed and I also distinctly remember Nate Robinson completely looking him off a few times when he was open in both games to boot - I said so at the time. Now even though he played in only the 1 summer league game, he showed plently of promise in that game. Go ahead. Tell me different. Tell me I hallucinated it... That's promise I'm willing to wait patiently for. Started out slow in that SL game too. Only difference, Weber decided to keep him on the floor and before you knew it--BAM!!--it came to him - the kid just exploded for 14 points in as many mins. (probably less) on a variety of step-back jumpers, pull-ups and a real nice follow up dunk with authority off a Mardy Collins miss. Any of you negative posters on the subject even remember that game????

It's just downright laughable that people are so closed-minded and dismissive when it comes to this kid. He's hurt for Christ's sake. WTF do you want the kid to do???? All we can do is wait until he heals, gets his stamina back and gets out there for longer and longer stretches. Until then I rightfully reserve all judgement on him except to repeat the obvious: the tape on this guy that's out there and the 14 pt. outburst in the SL game that I saw with my own eyes shows me undeniably that he has the talent and skill to have an impact for this team once he's healthy. What else is there to say? Be patient. Now we're talking Anthony Randolph with the comparisons huh? Randolph appears to be a nice prospect, no doubt, but who's to say Gallo doesn't have even more talent than Randolph and doesn't turn out to be the better pro when it's all said and done? You don't know. How the hell do you evaluate a player that's hurt anyway? What's the criteria for that exactly??? Explain it to me.... When he's healthy and ready to go, that's the time to cast judgement, either one way or another. Until then, we have no choice but to wait. I just don't see how you properly evaluate this situation otherwise...

[Edited by - finestrg on 11-23-2008 03:06 AM]
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11/23/2008  4:20 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BRIGGS:


I think Griffin is not nearly as good as people think. Nice player, yes. The new Amare Stoudemire, no.

oohah

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=200811220444

Wow, Griffin really tore up super-power Gardner-Webb!

Have you ever heard of Wayman Tisdale? I believe he had a better game than that in his first game ever at the college level. Tisdale is also the only Division 1 college player to be voted first team all-american his first 3 years in school.

So I guess by your logic Wayman Tisdale must have been the best power forward to ever play pro basketball, right?

You ever hear of Derrick Coleman? Need I say more?

Make an actual case BRIGGS, don't just post links to games, especially when the comp is OU VS. Gardner Webb, for the love of Mike, that is some weak stuff you're bringing!

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 22-11-2008 11:57 PM]

He's the best player bar none--not even close--forget about it this year. He's going to be doing this all season--it wont matter what name is on the opposing jersey. This guy is an NBA superstar waiting to happen and there will be no waiting time for his game to develop at the next level i.e potential--he's going to be a 20-10 force from day 1. When you talk about 1A here there is no 1B--I think it walks down to 2 to Curry IMHO. All 31 teams would or will draft Griffin if they get pick 1.
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11/23/2008  5:48 AM
Posted by Finestrg:

I just don't see how anyone can be critical of a kid that's hurt and hasn't gotten a chance to show what he can do yet. Gallo's played in 2 games where he's gotten only a small handful of mins. combined - opening night against the Heat and on the road vs. Philly. Don't feel like looking back at box scores but I betcha it's less than 10 mins. combined for both those games. Those are cup-of-coffee minutes right there. Impossible to show much of anything with limited PT like that, I don't care who you are. Plus he was playing hurt, obviously not up to game speed and I also distinctly remember Nate Robinson completely looking him off a few times when he was open in both games to boot - I said so at the time. Now even though he played in only the 1 summer league game, he showed plently of promise in that game. Go ahead. Tell me different. Tell me I hallucinated it... That's promise I'm willing to wait patiently for. Started out slow in that SL game too. Only difference, Weber decided to keep him on the floor and before you knew it--BAM!!--it came to him - the kid just exploded for 14 points in as many mins. (probably less) on a variety of step-back jumpers, pull-ups and a real nice follow up dunk with authority off a Mardy Collins miss. Any of you negative posters on the subject even remember that game????

It's just downright laughable that people are so closed-minded and dismissive when it comes to this kid. He's hurt for Christ's sake. WTF do you want the kid to do???? All we can do is wait until he heals, gets his stamina back and gets out there for longer and longer stretches. Until then I rightfully reserve all judgement on him except to repeat the obvious: the tape on this guy that's out there and the 14 pt. outburst in the SL game that I saw with my own eyes shows me undeniably that he has the talent and skill to have an impact for this team once he's healthy. What else is there to say? Be patient. Now we're talking Anthony Randolph with the comparisons huh? Randolph appears to be a nice prospect, no doubt, but who's to say Gallo doesn't have even more talent than Randolph and doesn't turn out to be the better pro when it's all said and done? You don't know. How the hell do you evaluate a player that's hurt anyway? What's the criteria for that exactly??? Explain it to me.... When he's healthy and ready to go, that's the time to cast judgement, either one way or another. Until then, we have no choice but to wait. I just don't see how you properly evaluate this situation otherwise...

[Edited by - finestrg on 11-23-2008 03:06 AM]

+1

Gallo is a very very smart player. Randolph will probably be something special and is extremely athletic. I would have loved to have him. I am looking forward to seeing Gallo play in this system though. We need intelligent players here and in his few minutes you could see he has an eye for the floor and teamates not to mention a GREAT handle for someone his size. He will never be able to block shots like Randolph, but will Randolph in 10 years time have Gallos intelligence and outside shot? Maybe the outside shot, but not upstairs. Again, like Randolph but I'm not down on Gallo, rather in "Wait till he's healthy as it's not fair to beat a man when he is down.".

At least we got this years pick to look forward to. And we can always move Lee with that pick to move up...

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11/23/2008  9:15 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by oohah:
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I think Griffin is not nearly as good as people think. Nice player, yes. The new Amare Stoudemire, no.

oohah

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=200811220444

Wow, Griffin really tore up super-power Gardner-Webb!

Have you ever heard of Wayman Tisdale? I believe he had a better game than that in his first game ever at the college level. Tisdale is also the only Division 1 college player to be voted first team all-american his first 3 years in school.

So I guess by your logic Wayman Tisdale must have been the best power forward to ever play pro basketball, right?

You ever hear of Derrick Coleman? Need I say more?

Make an actual case BRIGGS, don't just post links to games, especially when the comp is OU VS. Gardner Webb, for the love of Mike, that is some weak stuff you're bringing!

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 22-11-2008 11:57 PM]

He's the best player bar none--not even close--forget about it this year. He's going to be doing this all season--it wont matter what name is on the opposing jersey. This guy is an NBA superstar waiting to happen and there will be no waiting time for his game to develop at the next level i.e potential--he's going to be a 20-10 force from day 1. When you talk about 1A here there is no 1B--I think it walks down to 2 to Curry IMHO. All 31 teams would or will draft Griffin if they get pick 1.

I'm really going to monitor Curry this season. He needs to learn how to run the point. He's progressing, a little, but with that shot, if he can learn how to pick his spots, and make players around better, he can be a really good player in the league.
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Thabeet tonight against #17 Miami


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I was just staring at Curry's stat line from the other day 30/13 and wondering:

Has anyone topped the NCAA stats in both scoring and assists in the same year?

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He's the best player bar none--not even close--forget about it this year. He's going to be doing this all season--it wont matter what name is on the opposing jersey. This guy is an NBA superstar waiting to happen and there will be no waiting time for his game to develop at the next level i.e potential--he's going to be a 20-10 force from day 1. When you talk about 1A here there is no 1B--I think it walks down to 2 to Curry IMHO. All 31 teams would or will draft Griffin if they get pick 1.

Like I said, Griffin looks like a nice player, but I don't see a can't miss superstar. Griffin a 20/10 force from day one? WOW! Are you sure you aren't exaggerating just a little bit? Greg Oden, Amare Stoudemire, Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard, and everybody's favorite: Andrew Bynum, weren't 20/10 forces from day one...

But who knows, maybe some NBA team will give the ball to Griffin the rookie every time down the court and let him shoot 40 times a game. I guess Griffin is better than Kevin Durant!

The thing is, you get too excited about players' big games in college and you lose context, which is: "How will that player translate their talents to the next level against bigger, stronger and more experienced players of the same or better talent? Quite a bit of that projection has to do with the physical gifts a player possesses. Another part of it is development and adjustment.

I wonder, when Kurt Thomas was leading the country in scoring and rebounding, did you have him penciled in as the next Wilt Chamberlain?

Do you think Stephen Curry is a better college player than Rumeal Robinson was? Is he more physically gifted? As good as Deron Williams? It seems you think Curry is better than Tim Hardaway, who was an actual instant sensation in the NBA?

I guess you are seeing things that I am not.

oohah



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