You know, I went over to hoopshype and I looked up his contract and he's signed there until 2013-14, with a player option in his last year and going to be paid over 11 million.

Is Gerald really that good to be implemented into the two year plan and put next to Lebron? I'm putt'n this one on hold for now until we get more feedback. If we make this move, then we're either fortunate to have him or stuck' with him for basically five more years.

Posted by 4949:

You know, I went over to hoopshype and I looked up his contract and he's signed there until 2013-14, with a player option in his last year and going to be paid over 11 million.

Is Gerald really that good to be implemented into the two year plan and put next to Lebron? I'm putt'n this one on hold for now until we get more feedback. If we make this move, then we're either fortunate to have him or stuck' with him for basically five more years.

To answer your question, its no. He's not that good to be implemented into the two year plan.

Also, he's been in the league for 8 years, he's not going to blossom into a stud. He is what he is, a decent player who will give you 14-20 points a night.

Its silly to think he'll be so successful on this Knick roster. The same people on this forum who think Wallace will be a stud are the same people who think Jamal Crawford will be an all-star one day.

[Edited by - jrzyhustla on 11-08-2008 5:21 PM]

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by 4949:

You know, I went over to hoopshype and I looked up his contract and he's signed there until 2013-14, with a player option in his last year and going to be paid over 11 million.

Is Gerald really that good to be implemented into the two year plan and put next to Lebron? I'm putt'n this one on hold for now until we get more feedback. If we make this move, then we're either fortunate to have him or stuck' with him for basically five more years.

To answer your question, its no. He's not that good to be implemented into the two year plan.

Also, he's been in the league for 8 years, he's not going to blossom into a stud. He is what he is, a decent player who will give you 14-20 points a night.

Its silly to think he'll be so successful on this Knick roster. The same people on this forum who think Wallace will be a stud are the same people who think Jamal Crawford will be an all-star one day.

[Edited by - jrzyhustla on 11-08-2008 5:21 PM]

couldn't agree more... he's a nice player but not worth that type of investment unless we already have a franchise player in place for him to complement, which we don't... committing ourselves to that albatross will be yet another in a long line of starphuch trades w/no thought whatsoever to our longterm goal of building this team around a real franchise talent... a 1-2 punch of Zach & Gerald Wallace ain't gonna bring any titles to NYC, i'll tell u guys right now... listen to me, i've already consulted my crystal ball on this one.

Posted by Elite:

Lee + Curry for Harrington not worth it.. Lee + Curry for Wallace?? Could be worth it.. then again.. we already have a Gerald Walalce type of player in Chandler

Lee + Curry for Harrington is 100% worth it.

Harrington fits the system and helps us get under the cap sooner.

You notice in the Washington game when Lee was in he wasn't able to get in rebounding position before the wings would jack up a shot on the offensive end? That takes away a ton of his value.

Moving him is in everyone's best interest.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by Elite:

Lee + Curry for Harrington not worth it.. Lee + Curry for Wallace?? Could be worth it.. then again.. we already have a Gerald Walalce type of player in Chandler

Lee + Curry for Harrington is 100% worth it.

Harrington fits the system and helps us get under the cap sooner.

You notice in the Washington game when Lee was in he wasn't able to get in rebounding position before the wings would jack up a shot on the offensive end? That takes away a ton of his value.

Moving him is in everyone's best interest.

Lee AND Curry for Al Harrington? Al Harrington scks and the Warriors are caught with their pants down here. You dont give up both players to get the one. To be honest I wouldnt do either Curry or Lee straight for Harrington unless something else was coming back. I'd prefer Curry work himself back into shape over a trade for Harrington and David Lee just needs to step up.

Enough of that BS. WTF is Bayless and Wallace going to get you? Is that team going to win a title any time soon? No. Then those trades are pointless as hell. They aren't building towards anything.

Posted by GKFv2:

Enough of that BS. WTF is Bayless and Wallace going to get you? Is that team going to win a title any time soon? No. Then those trades are pointless as hell. They aren't building towards anything.

You know as much about basketball as I know about bowling.

unless we're trading Nate i don't see where Bayless would fit in... he's not an orchestrator so he won't be starting as a PG anytime soon... the kid's a scorer like Nate w/freakish athleticism... & anyway, what does POR want w/D Lee when they already have Oden & LaMarcus Aldridge? it doesn't make sense BRIGGS.

Posted by TMS:

i think a Curry to CHA / Harrington to NY is a much better fit for Walsh's plan & gives us a suitable stopgap for now that will be a nice fit in this system.

C - Zach
PF - Harrington
SF - Chandler
SG - Jamal
PG - Duhon

that starting 5 gives MDA 5 players that can shoot the ball from the perimeter well... D Lee can go back to playing the 6th man role he played last year until we find a suitable trade for him.

I'd prefer any deal where we add Harrington and dump Curry in the process myself. Curry's proved to me that he's not worth even a penny of the money he's owed - he's one big expensive failure of an experiment that we need to just turn the page on already. Plus, Harrington can play and his contract's better than Curry's, expiring after next season. Would make for a favorable short-term solution (much like the Duhon signing). Only thing is I don't think GS, as a possible 3rd team, would want Gerald Wallace, not with Jackson and Maggette who basically supply the same thing and certainly not for that amount of money (Maggette's contract is just as bad as Wallace's btw).

Charlotte only becomes a player here if they can move Wallace. It's a shame, because I like Wallace a lot, except for that hideous contract. Very much like Zach Randolph - more than a decent player only saddled with the horrendous contract - Wallace's is even worse, running all the way through the summer of 2013. It'd make for the same old situation this franchise has gambled and lost on for what seems like a decade now - a tempting possiblity to add a good player at absolutely insane, cap-killing money.... It just doesn't work. I hope we've finally figured out, after taking the bait on something like this time after time, that you just can't keep putting band-aids on the gapping wound by adding more and more contract on top of the mess. It's never fixed the problem, only made it worse in the long run. You'd mortgage the future for no more than a 40-win team now with basically no further opportunity to keep building by bringing Wallace and his contract here. This is a trade Isiah would make - a trade with a complete disregard for the salary cap and the team's future. I gotta believe Donnie knows better. Gotta pass on this scenario....

Well we know Curry straight up for Harrington doesn't work (Nellie's already said he's not interested in Curry and I can't say I blame him). Hopefully we can find another team out there (I've heard the Spurs surprisingly might have some interest in Curry) who would be willing to be a 3rd team. Or, maybe we explore sending Lee to GS for Harrington plus a useful young player or two. Whatever the case, we need to remain patient, no panic moves. I'm confident Donnie understands that. Cap space is paramount, whether it's for 2010 or beyond....


[Edited by - finestrg on 11-08-2008 9:15 PM]

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by Elite:

Lee + Curry for Harrington not worth it.. Lee + Curry for Wallace?? Could be worth it.. then again.. we already have a Gerald Walalce type of player in Chandler

Lee + Curry for Harrington is 100% worth it.

Harrington fits the system and helps us get under the cap sooner.

You notice in the Washington game when Lee was in he wasn't able to get in rebounding position before the wings would jack up a shot on the offensive end? That takes away a ton of his value.

Moving him is in everyone's best interest.

Lee AND Curry for Al Harrington? Al Harrington scks and the Warriors are caught with their pants down here. You dont give up both players to get the one. To be honest I wouldnt do either Curry or Lee straight for Harrington unless something else was coming back. I'd prefer Curry work himself back into shape over a trade for Harrington and David Lee just needs to step up.

This is what scares me about this cap crp. Id rather do a trade staright up for Wallace for Curry[wallace is way better than harrington] and IF we even need to trade Lee[we dont need to] trade him to Portland who likes him for Jared Bayless who isnt playing. I cant understand how people think sometimes? why do you want to give up two assets for one?

Are we trying to get under the cap in 2010 or not? If that's the goal, then you make a trade like that all day long.
Eddy is not going to play on this team ever. He's too slow for SanAntonio let alone the Knicks. Thus his value will never go up.

Lee cannot be as valuable to this team as he would be to teams with normal offenses. His passing and offensive rebounding opportunities here are vastly diminished.

It doesn't have to be a trade for Jr. Harrington, but if you had to trade Lee to get Curry out of here and all you got back was a ham sandwich and a shorter contract, I feel like you have to do it. Of course you try to get the best value back that you can, but we've been talking about this since Walsh came on. Those types of trades are coming.

What are we going to get back for James, or Crawford? Ham sandwiches with shorter deals would be miraculous.

Come on you are undervaluing everyone we have. We can get a good deal for Curry straight up if we dont want him--why would I *throw in Lee???*? Id prefer to shop around on that one.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by Elite:

Lee + Curry for Harrington not worth it.. Lee + Curry for Wallace?? Could be worth it.. then again.. we already have a Gerald Walalce type of player in Chandler

Lee + Curry for Harrington is 100% worth it.

Harrington fits the system and helps us get under the cap sooner.

You notice in the Washington game when Lee was in he wasn't able to get in rebounding position before the wings would jack up a shot on the offensive end? That takes away a ton of his value.

Moving him is in everyone's best interest.

Lee AND Curry for Al Harrington? Al Harrington scks and the Warriors are caught with their pants down here. You dont give up both players to get the one. To be honest I wouldnt do either Curry or Lee straight for Harrington unless something else was coming back. I'd prefer Curry work himself back into shape over a trade for Harrington and David Lee just needs to step up.

This is what scares me about this cap crp. Id rather do a trade staright up for Wallace for Curry[wallace is way better than harrington] and IF we even need to trade Lee[we dont need to] trade him to Portland who likes him for Jared Bayless who isnt playing. I cant understand how people think sometimes? why do you want to give up two assets for one?

Are we trying to get under the cap in 2010 or not? If that's the goal, then you make a trade like that all day long.
Eddy is not going to play on this team ever. He's too slow for SanAntonio let alone the Knicks. Thus his value will never go up.

Lee cannot be as valuable to this team as he would be to teams with normal offenses. His passing and offensive rebounding opportunities here are vastly diminished.

It doesn't have to be a trade for Jr. Harrington, but if you had to trade Lee to get Curry out of here and all you got back was a ham sandwich and a shorter contract, I feel like you have to do it. Of course you try to get the best value back that you can, but we've been talking about this since Walsh came on. Those types of trades are coming.

What are we going to get back for James, or Crawford? Ham sandwiches with shorter deals would be miraculous.

Come on you are undervaluing everyone we have. We can get a good deal for Curry straight up if we dont want him--why would I *throw in Lee???*? Id prefer to shop around on that one.

Wow. No way. I agree with JW44 almost 100% here - at least on the issue of ridding ourselves of Eddy Curry (though to be honest, like a stated in my prior post and maintained since the summer, I'm not fond of the idea of including David Lee just for the sake of unloading a bad player or contract. I'd rather use Lee to get a young player(s) with some promise myself). But back to Curry's "value" - I mean are you kidding me? What value? Undervaluing Eddy Curry? Is that even possible?? The guy has so little value it's not even funny. Almost ZERO. Nil. Zippo. He's gotta be looked at as the joke of the league right now... Now with Zach, like I've maintained from the summer, I'm actually glad we're continuing to hold out for at least a little more - you just can't give a 20/10 player in his prime away for nothing then be expected to also surrender a David Lee or a 1st round draft pick AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT eat some of Zach's salary to boot. Fuck that. No good. Not interested in getting raped. Zach Randolph is such a better basketball player than Eddy Curry it's not even funny. I can't believe we even bothered to debate it at one point. You're right on the money JohnWallace44. Ham sandwiches for Eddy Curry bro - hold the mayo... Here's a guy that hasn't come to training camp in shape one time for us. NOT EVEN ONCE! Not even this year knowing run-and-gun coach Mike D'Antoni was brought on board to be the head coach. Game hasn't evolved or gotten any better since he's been in the league, forget even with the Knicks. We've seen nothing but a complete regression. It's baffling. I don't think I've ever seen a professional athlete who just doesn't bother taking his craft seriously more than this bum. Aloof, disinterested player that couldn't care less about himself, his career or his team. Oh and you gotta love the phantom knee injury he suffered a couple of weeks ago... The guy's a joke of biblical proportions. It's a painful mistake (we gave up so much - we're still giving up stuff for this loser), but I'm ready to move on whenever Donnie finds something, anything that works... You said it bro, ham sandwich, that's all this turkey's worth. Not even on a hero or a roll. On whitebread. Not even a ham sandwich - maybe we can get a half-eaten PB&J sandwich for the guy that someone threw away in the garbage. Maybe....


[Edited by - finestrg on 11-08-2008 10:18 PM]