Posted by Markji:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I don't think Isiah told Zach to do that or approved it. Isiah sucked but you really think he had anything to do with that play or does Zach just have a mind of his own? We never see David Lee do that and he had the same coaching Zach had last season.

I agree. Zach wasn't coached to do that. That is just the point. They weren't coached properly so Zach would NOT do that. Left to themselves, chaos rules. You need a strong coach to pull the team together.

But my point was the he was the same selfish player under every coach including Nate McMillion, who's gotten a lot out of players with much less experience than Zach. Here the problem is a constant issue with the player regardless of the coach.

Posted by Markji:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Markji:
Franco and Bip - These are my thoughts as well. That's why I asked if there was anything really bad about Zach's behavior since joining the Knicks. It doesn't seem so. Therefore no reason to go ballistic if he isn't traded immediately. If he behaves himself he is an excellent addition to a contending team that loses its PF. So I think Walsh is doing his job and doing fine. He has been shopping Zach to all of the teams. Got a few nibbles. But he, and we, can wait for a good bite!

ask urself what good has having Zach on the roster done for this team? they regressed last year as if that were even possible... Eddy Curry who looked like he was finally gaining some confidence & putting up some numbers the year prior suffered tremendously by having Zach here... David Lee who many of us wanted to have the fulltime starting role last season was relegated once again to 6th man status when he should have by all rights had a full year under his belt as a starter... Zach had on the court conflicts w/some of his teammates & was clearly uncomfortable all season long playing here...

& last but especially not least...

One thing we have to clear up - I am not for keeping Zach. I am just not for dumping him for nothing. What I have been saying is the coaches couldn't control Zach or the team last year. Period. Do you think that Isiah did a good job coaching and controlling Zach and the team last year? And part od Zach's problem has been the coaching. And part is his own personality.

Here is another clip of Zach bringing the ball up and shooting at the buzzer from 1/2 court. He shouldn't be doing that!! and it is up to the coaches to teach him and the team what to do. This one went in though! So maybe Isiah thought that Zach now was the go-to guy???

mark, i see all ur points & i agree w/u about the lack of coaching last season... but i also remember Eddy playing pretty well under Isiah's coaching the year prior... i'm not saying he took his game to star levels but at least he looked like he could be a force for us on the offensive end... last year he looked completely lost, & i blame most of that on Zach's presence... i don't blame Zach himself for that, moreover i blame Isiah for ever trading for him to begin with... i also don't think Zach is a bad player, but i think he's a horrible fit on this particular roster... that's really the only point i'm trying to make... i see no possible upsides to having him on this roster for a day longer... i'm not trying to say we should give up an unprotected pick to unload him, absolutely not... i'm willing to wait but if an offer comes up where we can get protection on that pick & gain a pretty good young asset & cap space in the process (i.e. the MEM deal we've been discussing in this thread) then i happen to think it's a no brainer... but like Bip says there's really no way any of us know what's really being discussed behind the scenes... we can only go on what's being reported by iffy sources at this point.

What "game" does Eddy have? He can't rebound, defend, or block any shots. He's almost worthless. The only reason he gets into the paint and scores is because he bulldozes people and half the time he's called for an offensive foul. Get me Glen Davis at half the price who is better (and shorter!) than Curry.

But Big Baby can score in the paint and nobody is singing his praises like Knick fans do for Eddy Dummy. Curry is no all-star and neither is Glen Davis but Davis makes much less than Curry and actually rebounds the basketball and shows some effort in games.

This is not a post advocating the acquisition of Glen Davis. I'm just saying.

Significant improvement in what? Scoring? He could always score. He had 16 PPG in his 2nd or 3rd year I believe. He never really improve in anything else. And no 7 RPG is not an improvement.

Ok, we've established that if we force feed Eddy the ball he can score. Thats a given. With Zach on the team that was no longer possible so yeah, he couldn't score any more. You can call it regressing i guess. And thats the negative impact that zach had on the team, nothing more, nothing less.

As for guys that thrived under the same coach in portland, you know , they are different players. You can't say that if the coach can make one player play good and can't do the same for another player its all about the guy that wasn't able to play good. I mean its a two way street and an excellent coach can get more out of his players than a decent coach can, but some players can improve under a decent coach as well.