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9/10/2008  6:02 PM
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i disagree w/u on this one bro... if Jamal can become a consistent scoring threat for this team it surely will have an impact on winning games... his problem right now is more or less his inconsistency & streaky shooting... if he sets his mind to drive to the hole more & increase his FT attempts per game averages, he can up his current scoring avg. of 20 ppg to that 22-25 ppg range easily w/his excellent FT shooting, & that to me will negate some of his shortcomings on defense... i think adding some defensive minded players is a better strategy at this point than expecting someone like Jamal or say Curry to suddenly & miraculously become defensive guys... it just ain't gonna happen.

if jamal averages 22-25 ppg (by virtue of a system that allows more possessions, and, hence, shots per game) at his usual 40% rate will you consider him to be an improved player, or the same player greenlighted to take more shots?

u didn't read what i wrote... i want his scoring averages to go up as a result of him making an effort to penetrate to the hole & get to the FT line on a more consistent basis... that sort of improvement will allow him to sustain his scoring averages on a nightly basis even when his shot isn't falling... i don't wanna see his averages go up simply as a result of him taking more shots while still shooting a low percentage & taking ill-advised jumpers... if he can play within the system & become more of an efficient scoring threat i think it can do wonders for the improvement of this team.
You remind of a period when Jamal started driving to the hole more and going with a short floater. It was very successful, but it was hard to do when you have Zach and Curry in the paint clogging things up. One thing we can be sure of is that Mike won't have the paint clogged for his players to be able move freely and stretch defenses. THAT is going to encourage better shots.

See the thing that seems to be overlooked is that coaching and a capable floor leader can make all the difference. Mike does a better job of getting his teams to execute and get great shots, not just good shots. Picking up Duhon was based on his ability to set up an offense, which he did very well in Chicago. Stats and visual observation proves that the team ran very smoothly when he was running the point. I believe that is what attracted Mike and Walsh to Duhon. Having him will only help this team to run the offense the right way and that will help everyone, including Jamal.

i think u got a valid point about Curry & Zach clogging up the middle... Jamal was doing more penetrating into the lane under LB... while his scoring averages went down that year, i felt he did the best job of scoring efficiently in the time he's been on this team... he averaged a career high in FT attempts that year, & while that high has gone up the past 2 years, compared to his increase in minutes played u can say that the '05/'06 season was his best in terms of making a concerted effort to get to the line... if he can get back to that type of mentality i think it would do him & this team much good, but that would also entail getting rid of the bottleneck in the lane & get rid of Zach, cuz Jamal simply does not have the same type of synergy playing w/him as he does w/Eddy Curry.
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9/11/2008  6:31 AM
So since we need so much to change in order for Jamal to produce at the level he wants then yes we can all agree that he will not be Crawesome, but instead will be Crawhopefullymikessystemcanmakehimbetter. I can live with that. Hopefully it will.
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9/11/2008  7:02 AM
Yup, Jamal has been a helpless victim of circumstances. 9 coaches in 9 years have misused him, but Savior Mike is gonna waive his magic wand and make everyone better.

Just like he did at his other two stops without Steve Nash, for records of 14-36 at Denver and 21-40 at Phoenix.

BTW, who is our starting PG?
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9/11/2008  7:10 AM
Jamal has made the best of his situation. It's not like the guy is having seasons were you wonder if he should even be in the NBA. The guy is a 20 point and 5 assist shooting guard, I don't he needs magic. But playing for a guy like Mike D might in a system may get even more out of him, I believe is the theory. Which is fair IMO.
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9/11/2008  10:29 AM
Posted by Anji:

Jamal has made the best of his situation. It's not like the guy is having seasons were you wonder if he should even be in the NBA. The guy is a 20 point and 5 assist shooting guard, I don't he needs magic. But playing for a guy like Mike D might in a system may get even more out of him, I believe is the theory. Which is fair IMO.

I don't think the question with Jamal is about if he has been a good NBA player. The question is will he improve his game. With Mike here he should have the stability and the style of play that finally eliminates every excuse he has ever used. Now it's time like Marbs to stop talking and prove everyone wrong. We all welcome it. I personally have been hearing for years how new systems and coaches are going to help the players. This year, there is no reason it not to be true. And Like I did when I heard the same stuff right before Isiah(who all the players loved and wanted to play for), if it doesn't work this time, can the excuses finally go out the door. I've been asking this for 3 years.

Offensively Jamal will obviously be helped by Mike's system. But defense and driving the lane should not have anything to do with the system.
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9/11/2008  10:50 AM
the thing is that Isiah switched up on Jamal and the team. He went away from his original system and went to a power game. That is a significant problem to overcome. Now the guards were asked to stand on the outside more to make room for Curry and Zach. Mike will likely look to have a more free flowing offense as Isiah originally promised.

My optimism with Isiah was predicated on him sticking to his system of more motion and passing. He didn't have the guts to see it thru but i'm hopeful that Mike will.

As for Blueseats suggesting that Mike can't win without Nash, I think a great PG is important but we can see improvement even now under mike.
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9/11/2008  12:07 PM
Posted by nixluva:

the thing is that Isiah switched up on Jamal and the team. He went away from his original system and went to a power game. That is a significant problem to overcome. Now the guards were asked to stand on the outside more to make room for Curry and Zach. Mike will likely look to have a more free flowing offense as Isiah originally promised.

My optimism with Isiah was predicated on him sticking to his system of more motion and passing. He didn't have the guts to see it thru but i'm hopeful that Mike will.

As for Blueseats suggesting that Mike can't win without Nash, I think a great PG is important but we can see improvement even now under mike.

Again, offense, offense, offense. What does all this have to do with his ability to attempt to play defense? We've already determined that Mike's offensive game plan is going to eliminate all his offensive excuses. But what excuses does he have on defense?

And as for the not going to the basket thing. This has been an issue with him his entire career so let's not use the power game as an excuse. Let's stop with the excuses.
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9/11/2008  12:12 PM
I now truly understand why guys have such major gaps in their game. Everyone makes excuses for them. That 1950-2000 attitude of work on your entire game or shut up has been almost eliminated

Jamal has more than enough game to be a good player for us. I think he actually already has been. I also think he will improve his offensive game under Mike just like many say he will. That's all good. Again he has been one of my favorites over the years here. But in his own words on his own blog he talks about working on his weaknesses and improving his game so that he can become Crawesome. If you truly want to be a star and improve your weaknesses, the first step is to stop making excuses for them. Until that point you aren't really serious about fixing them. You are making sure the world understands that you aren't good at these things due to outside factors. Factors that you can't control. When you decide you are the one in control, that is when you are ready to fix them.

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9/11/2008  12:46 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I now truly understand why guys have such major gaps in their game. Everyone makes excuses for them. That 1950-2000 attitude of work on your entire game or shut up has been almost eliminated

Jamal has more than enough game to be a good player for us. I think he actually already has been. I also think he will improve his offensive game under Mike just like many say he will. That's all good. Again he has been one of my favorites over the years here. But in his own words on his own blog he talks about working on his weaknesses and improving his game so that he can become Crawesome. If you truly want to be a star and improve your weaknesses, the first step is to stop making excuses for them. Until that point you aren't really serious about fixing them. You are making sure the world understands that you aren't good at these things due to outside factors. Factors that you can't control. When you decide you are the one in control, that is when you are ready to fix them.

In the 1990's nobody gave an F about systems.

Post of the year. I agree 100%

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9/11/2008  2:03 PM
Honestly, theres only 2 types of players that will succeed in mike's system, Smart and Fast, prefably the Center and Pg. And since we have niether, jc is just another eratic shooting guard who can't play off the pg or the center.
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9/11/2008  6:58 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Yup, Jamal has been a helpless victim of circumstances. 9 coaches in 9 years have misused him, but Savior Mike is gonna waive his magic wand and make everyone better.

Just like he did at his other two stops without Steve Nash, for records of 14-36 at Denver and 21-40 at Phoenix.

BTW, who is our starting PG?

ain't no need to be snide about it... we just pointing out some possible solutions for Jamal to take his game to the next level.
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9/11/2008  8:19 PM
Posted by nixluva:

the thing is that Isiah switched up on Jamal and the team. He went away from his original system and went to a power game. That is a significant problem to overcome. Now the guards were asked to stand on the outside more to make room for Curry and Zach. Mike will likely look to have a more free flowing offense as Isiah originally promised.

My optimism with Isiah was predicated on him sticking to his system of more motion and passing. He didn't have the guts to see it thru but i'm hopeful that Mike will.

As for Blueseats suggesting that Mike can't win without Nash, I think a great PG is important but we can see improvement even now under mike.

First of all, that is a major misinterpretation/misrepresentation of my words. I have no idea what D'Antoni is capable of without Nash. However, I posted his lowly records without him to dispel the notion that Mikes's system automatically gets the best from players. I'm sure we can all agree he's capable of pulling more than 23 wins out of his hat, but I see no cause to assume everyone will flourish.

Both Walsh and D'Antoni have stated that Mike can adapt his system to his players, so we really don't know what his system will ultimately be here. We simply have an idea of what he will try first.

You see, when Brown was coming you were sure that his system would get the best from our guys, just as you later were with Isiah. When our team turned the ball over 30 times a game and those coaches adapted, you then say the player's weaknesses are excused because these coaches "inexplicably" altered their approach from your expectations. I specifically recall warning you tour guys might not be able to handle the Quick, and that Isiah might abandon it, as had Brown, but still it caught you totally shocked and unprepared when it happaned. It was the same thing with the difficulties Marbury and Francis might have working together and/or playing uptempo; and if I recall correctly, you were quite certain Zack and Eddy were well suited to play together too, because their games we so different, and Isiah's system was so sound.

In spite of so many warnings, every time it doesn't work out you're blindsided by the misfortune, yet confident the next guy will be the man with the plan to get the pieces to fit.

My question to you is, if the team struggles to win in D'Antoni's system such that he needs to adapt the the team in ways unforeseen by you, will he later be portrayed as another miscast coach who didn't have a handle on how to utilize our guys properly? And will that buy them all another year of excuses with deferred optimism for the next year, with faith that a new coach, PG, system, or whatever, will quickly right the ship?
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9/11/2008  8:31 PM
Posted by TMS:
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Yup, Jamal has been a helpless victim of circumstances. 9 coaches in 9 years have misused him, but Savior Mike is gonna waive his magic wand and make everyone better.

Just like he did at his other two stops without Steve Nash, for records of 14-36 at Denver and 21-40 at Phoenix.

BTW, who is our starting PG?

ain't no need to be snide about it... we just pointing out some possible solutions for Jamal to take his game to the next level.

I'm not even talking about Jamal. I'm sorry I came late to the thread and only saw you talking about Jamal's PPG, not that it was contingent on getting physical and taking it inside (or whatever you wrote, I ain't going back and rereading).

What I'm refuting is the assertion that "Mike's System" is going to allow everyone to raise their game. Sure, their points PPG may rise - they almost have to if his planning to increase the team points scored by 20 per game, or so. But the kinds of things we're discussing about Jamal, like driving more and playing D, are not contingent on D'Antoni. Those are things all 9 of his coaches in 9 years have asked of him.

If Mike succeeds in getting Jamal to do those thins it will only be because Jamal is ready to do them, and he says he is, not because Mike is asking him to, but because he knows it's a 9 year long criticism of his game.

Mike can't do it for these guys, they have to be ready. And we assume they are ready year after year even though they prove otherwise to us the year before. That's all I'm saying.

This team is dead to me. I really don't care anymore if Jamal or Eddy gets it this year, or next, or never. Hopefully I'll start caring again when we start ridding ourselves of some dead wood, but somehow even Marbury and Isiah have outlasted my fanhood.
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9/11/2008  9:13 PM
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the thing is that Isiah switched up on Jamal and the team. He went away from his original system and went to a power game. That is a significant problem to overcome. Now the guards were asked to stand on the outside more to make room for Curry and Zach. Mike will likely look to have a more free flowing offense as Isiah originally promised.

My optimism with Isiah was predicated on him sticking to his system of more motion and passing. He didn't have the guts to see it thru but i'm hopeful that Mike will.

As for Blueseats suggesting that Mike can't win without Nash, I think a great PG is important but we can see improvement even now under mike.

Again, offense, offense, offense. What does all this have to do with his ability to attempt to play defense? We've already determined that Mike's offensive game plan is going to eliminate all his offensive excuses. But what excuses does he have on defense?

And as for the not going to the basket thing. This has been an issue with him his entire career so let's not use the power game as an excuse. Let's stop with the excuses.

OK so no excuses for Jamal or anyone else on the team, now what do you do then if the guy only improves slightly in terms of defense? Then you have to decide whether or not what he gives you offensively makes up for that weakness. Just as they did for Nash at the Point. He's a very weak defender and can't really stop anybody, but they don't focus on that part of his game since he's so great at the other facets of his game. Just as they did for Amare who is not a good defender or rebounder overall, but gives you some blocks and is a beast offensively. You take what you can get out of players you have sometimes.

I think we can look to sure up the defense in other areas and in particular the "team" defensive concepts to help cover up for his weaknesses. A lot of the problems in the past had to do with how the roster was used. Isiah eventually decided to give up some offense in an effort to get more D. Things like that are done all the time by coaches.

I think too that we can only expect so much from this roster, which we all admit is not ideal yet. We all know that this entire time this team hasn't been as balanced or well suited as it needs to be. We blame the players so much, but in terms of a team any of us would put together, i'm sure that this isn't what it would look like. We all know that there hasn't been a leader on the floor this entire time we've had Steph and Jamal. So that is yet another "reason" not excuse for the team being so inconsistent from minute to minute. This is the job that Walsh and Mike have to fix that problem. It's part of the reason why I believe they went for Duhon over many other options. Like him or not, but he's a better floor leader than we've had and he's had success in running his teams when he's been out there. He's not the answer long term, but he's a step up for this team.
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9/11/2008  10:09 PM
Posted by nixluva:
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the thing is that Isiah switched up on Jamal and the team. He went away from his original system and went to a power game. That is a significant problem to overcome. Now the guards were asked to stand on the outside more to make room for Curry and Zach. Mike will likely look to have a more free flowing offense as Isiah originally promised.

My optimism with Isiah was predicated on him sticking to his system of more motion and passing. He didn't have the guts to see it thru but i'm hopeful that Mike will.

As for Blueseats suggesting that Mike can't win without Nash, I think a great PG is important but we can see improvement even now under mike.

Again, offense, offense, offense. What does all this have to do with his ability to attempt to play defense? We've already determined that Mike's offensive game plan is going to eliminate all his offensive excuses. But what excuses does he have on defense?

And as for the not going to the basket thing. This has been an issue with him his entire career so let's not use the power game as an excuse. Let's stop with the excuses.
now what do you do then if the guy only improves slightly in terms of defense? T

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9/11/2008  10:11 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nixluva:
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Posted by nixluva:

the thing is that Isiah switched up on Jamal and the team. He went away from his original system and went to a power game. That is a significant problem to overcome. Now the guards were asked to stand on the outside more to make room for Curry and Zach. Mike will likely look to have a more free flowing offense as Isiah originally promised.

My optimism with Isiah was predicated on him sticking to his system of more motion and passing. He didn't have the guts to see it thru but i'm hopeful that Mike will.

As for Blueseats suggesting that Mike can't win without Nash, I think a great PG is important but we can see improvement even now under mike.

Again, offense, offense, offense. What does all this have to do with his ability to attempt to play defense? We've already determined that Mike's offensive game plan is going to eliminate all his offensive excuses. But what excuses does he have on defense?

And as for the not going to the basket thing. This has been an issue with him his entire career so let's not use the power game as an excuse. Let's stop with the excuses.
now what do you do then if the guy only improves slightly in terms of defense? T

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9/11/2008  10:15 PM
Nixluva: I'm with Blueseats on this. We have this same conversation every year. It's comical. I don't expect to much of Jamal. Not at one point in this post did anyone say he needs to be a shut down defender. Or a 45% FG shooter. Or a guy that goes to the line 9 times a game. What we want is simple. Every year, Jamal and Steph and whoever talks about how they need to work on such and such part of their game. And every year that part of their game stays the exact same as it did the year before. So my take is, improve it, or shut up and stop talking about it.

Now as we move towards being a better team, you are 100% correct whoever is here will look better than they do now because of their record. This is a given and does not need to be explained. But the fact of the matter is we won't get better until the guys that are considered "the best players on our team" begin to committ to both sides of the ball.

Now, if you read the beginning of this thread, this thread you will find that the topic isn't something made up by some crazed fan. It is in response to a blog that Jamal is writing. And in his blog, in his own words, he says he wants to be a great player. He wants to go from "Crawful" to "Crawsome". That's great, love the attitude but you don't get there just by talking and complaining about coaches and systems. You get there by actually improving on the things that you say you need to improve on.
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9/11/2008  11:57 PM
I'm not arguing that Jamal is gonna be great, I only have expectation that he can accomplish his goal of improving his game under this regime. I think there are many examples of guys who have fair to middling careers until they got with the right team, coach or system.

Look some guys are self driven to be great and most are not. It's not Jamal's fault that he's one of the best players on this bad team. He's miscast as a team leader in the absence of any real leader or star player. I'm not speaking in absolutes about what he can do and should do, cuz he's not a superstar or even an All Star player. He's just thrust into that role on this team cuz we don't have anyone better.

We haven't had a floor leader the whole time he's been on the team cuz Steph was also miscast as the supposed superstar on this team. He should never be the best player on any team, cuz if he is then you don't really have a great player as most teams hope to have. This is the whole reason we're looking at 2010.

I think it's good for Jamal to want to be better and I hope he is more successful this time than he's been in the past, in particular on D, but also in term so his efficiency on offense. I think it will help him if we can put him on the floor with guys like Duhon and Chandler who I think will be better team defenders who can help. This way when he does play some D, it won't be wasted cuz no one came over to help as they should.
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9/12/2008  2:42 AM
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Nixluva: I'm with Blueseats on this. We have this same conversation every year. It's comical. I don't expect to much of Jamal. Not at one point in this post did anyone say he needs to be a shut down defender. Or a 45% FG shooter. Or a guy that goes to the line 9 times a game. What we want is simple. Every year, Jamal and Steph and whoever talks about how they need to work on such and such part of their game. And every year that part of their game stays the exact same as it did the year before. So my take is, improve it, or shut up and stop talking about it.

Now as we move towards being a better team, you are 100% correct whoever is here will look better than they do now because of their record. This is a given and does not need to be explained. But the fact of the matter is we won't get better until the guys that are considered "the best players on our team" begin to committ to both sides of the ball.

Now, if you read the beginning of this thread, this thread you will find that the topic isn't something made up by some crazed fan. It is in response to a blog that Jamal is writing. And in his blog, in his own words, he says he wants to be a great player. He wants to go from "Crawful" to "Crawsome". That's great, love the attitude but you don't get there just by talking and complaining about coaches and systems. You get there by actually improving on the things that you say you need to improve on.

i agree, i also want these guys to just stop talking about it & go out & do it... just that i don't consider Jamal to be the big problem w/this team... i think he can still be part of the solution, but that's probably more because i just happen to like the guy & root for him to do well... i know it's a lot to expect the guy to have a revelation so late in his career but at least it gives me some reason to watch the games at this point... if i'm not watching w/the hopes that these guys show some improvement next year then why am i watching?
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Nixluva: I'm with Blueseats on this. We have this same conversation every year. It's comical. I don't expect to much of Jamal. Not at one point in this post did anyone say he needs to be a shut down defender. Or a 45% FG shooter. Or a guy that goes to the line 9 times a game. What we want is simple. Every year, Jamal and Steph and whoever talks about how they need to work on such and such part of their game. And every year that part of their game stays the exact same as it did the year before. So my take is, improve it, or shut up and stop talking about it.

Now as we move towards being a better team, you are 100% correct whoever is here will look better than they do now because of their record. This is a given and does not need to be explained. But the fact of the matter is we won't get better until the guys that are considered "the best players on our team" begin to committ to both sides of the ball.

Now, if you read the beginning of this thread, this thread you will find that the topic isn't something made up by some crazed fan. It is in response to a blog that Jamal is writing. And in his blog, in his own words, he says he wants to be a great player. He wants to go from "Crawful" to "Crawsome". That's great, love the attitude but you don't get there just by talking and complaining about coaches and systems. You get there by actually improving on the things that you say you need to improve on.

i agree, i also want these guys to just stop talking about it & go out & do it... just that i don't consider Jamal to be the big problem w/this team... i think he can still be part of the solution, but that's probably more because i just happen to like the guy & root for him to do well... i know it's a lot to expect the guy to have a revelation so late in his career but at least it gives me some reason to watch the games at this point... if i'm not watching w/the hopes that these guys show some improvement next year then why am i watching?

I'm with you. Don't let MS' rantings be a representative of how the majority feel about Jamal. Most of the fans think he's been a good soldier and far from the problem here. Like I said he's one of my favs. I guess I'm just using his own words against him.
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