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Anji
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9/7/2008  12:21 PM
I think the deal is a slam dunk, because trading Marko is easier then trading Zach.

I believe Walsh will have to get rid of Curry, JJ2 and Marko after this deal. Curry will play better and be easier to trade on a two year 21 million dollar deal( way different then the 40 plaus 3 year deal Zach has now). You can move JJ2 or Marko with Lee( I don't think he is coming back) and you can move the other player with our pick in a trade back in the next draft(this is assuming the knicks can't pick any of the big time talents coming out).

If Walsh does that we would have:
JC 10million
Danillo 3million
Wilson 2million
2010 rook 2million
Bare bones that is 17million

Plus what ever you trade Lee/JJ2, Curry and Marko/pick trade back for salary
Plus if we had out any MLE's
and I personally would like to resign Nate to a 4yr 24 million dollar deal starting at 5.5 ending at 7million.

So if the knicks can trade Lee/JJ2, Darko and Curry, those transactions above need to be kept to about 23-28million dollars for the knicks to enough money to get a super star.

I think we can do it, but it starts with this deal first.
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9/7/2008  2:08 PM
Nobody is trading anything of value(shorter deals) for Curry, Jeffries, and Jaric if we get him..
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9/7/2008  2:25 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Nobody is trading anything of value(shorter deals) for Curry, Jeffries, and Jaric if we get him..

if u make this Zach deal & Curry goes back to playing the way he was 2 years ago when he had his best season, there's a definite possibility you can flip him in a deal for a valuable piece, or at the very least a shorter term contract... i think u could probably flip him right now for a deal that runs a year shorter if u really wanted to.

Jefferies forget about trading him for anything worth having until his deal becomes an expiring... he's completely worthless.
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9/7/2008  3:28 PM
From Alan Hahn (Again):

Zach expects to be in Memphis this season (and Allan Houston hopes to be a Knick again)

A lead note in my story today that might have gone unnoticed:

Zach Randolph is bracing himself for a second trade in as many years and a person close to the Knicks forward said he believes Memphis will be his destination. The Grizzlies and Knicks have had ongoing dialogue about Randolph over the summer and Walsh, who is still looking to add some shot-blocking to the roster, has interest in 7-foot center Darko Milicic.


We first reported that the Memphis Grizzlies were considering Zach Randolph on Aug. 30. As you might have seen today, the Daily News and NY Post have jumped into the pool as the waters start to warm.

Walsh would not confirm what Grizzlies beat writer Ronald Tillery reported on his blog last week, that the Grilzzlies want the Knicks to pick up the deferred portion of Randolph's contract. But where there's smoke, there's fire. And, as we reported today, Z-Bo is telling friends that he's expecting to be traded before training camp and the destination he believes it will be is Memphis.

Walsh likes the idea of getting Darko Milicic back in the trade because of Milicic's shot-blocking ability He has averaged 1.3 per game in the NBA and he does possess a good shooting touch. Could you play him at the four? Possibly. Could you play him with Eddy Curry? Here and there, maybe, but not often.

Randolph's departure could be a major bonus for David Lee, who could move into the starting position at the four. Lee and Curry aren't going to dominate anyone on the defensive end, but Lee's rebounding ability makes up for Randolph's departure. He's not nearly the scorer that Z-Bo is so Lee is aware he has to prove he can make that mid-range, baseline and elbow jumper consistently to be effective.

Another option is if Danilo Gallinari proves himself capable, the spot could be his with Wilson Chandler at the three. But that's why we have training camp, kids. Bottom line, Randolph's departure will open up the low blocks for Curry and, whether it's Lee or Gallinari, add another player on the floor who can move the ball on offense.

Milicic would likely come in and play the role Jerome James was supposed to play: shot-blocking big who can give you decent minutes and a different look. Marko Jaric is a big guard who is good in the open floor, has decent fundamentals (which means he'd fit in the D'Antoni system, too) and is a willing defender. Jaric would mostly play a reserve roll, but, again, it adds more of what D'Antoni wants.

The Milicic contract works with the 2010 plan because it expires after next season. But Jaric has one more year -- $7,625,000 in 2010-11 -- which the Knicks could try to trade.

But, if anything, the trade for Milicic and Jaric at least gives them almost a $10 million savings from the Randolph contract ($17.3 million) on the ledger in 2010-11.

As we told here before the weekend, the Knicks didn't want the Randolph trade talk to dominate during Patrick Ewing's Hall of Fame induction. Now that the Hall of Fame ceremonies are over, getting this deal done takes center stage.

Stay tuned.


http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2008/09/zach_expects_to_be_in_memphis.html
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9/7/2008  3:37 PM
step 1: unload Zach
step 2: buyoutbury
step 3: increase the trade value of the remaining pieces
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9/7/2008  3:55 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Nobody is trading anything of value(shorter deals) for Curry, Jeffries, and Jaric if we get him..

Curry will play better without Zach. Also, you have to give to get. A team will take back an extra year on Curry's contract if we include a good player on a rookie contract. If Curry plays like he did 2 years ago, we might be able to trade him for junk with one less year even without having to offer anything else.
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9/7/2008  4:09 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
If Curry plays like he did 2 years ago, we might be able to trade him for junk with one less year even without having to offer anything else.

if Curry plays the way he did 2 years ago we can probably get at least a 1st round pick for him in a trade, or a player w/some value at the very least... u can easily trade him right now for a junk contract w/1 less year remaining on it
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9/8/2008  9:36 AM
Posted by Markji:

Interesting article from the Grizzlies' site.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/sep/03/grizzlies-cant-be-faulted-for-being-too-old/?partner=RSS

They need help at PF - for rebounding and another scorer. Zach fits both.
general manager Chris Wallace said. .... At some point in time, we've got to get some veterans that will take us to another level....

Power forward is of particular concern with Hakim Warrick and rookie Darrell Arthur bringing slender frames to the position. Arthur didn't showcase strong rebounding during the Las Vegas summer league in July.

Combine the inexperience of Gasol and Haddadi with the inconsistency of Darko Milicic, last summer's major free agent acquisition, and it is clear the Grizzlies' front line will draw great scrutiny....

Perhaps the biggest question is whether they will start the regular season with six guards or use one or two to satisfy a need via trade?....

"We've got certain holes," Wallace conceded. "We could use some backup help at small forward behind Rudy. We need more shooting and another big banger at the power forward spot. We're still a work in progress."
Trading for Zach makes a lot of sense for them. And getting Darko for Zach makes a lot of sense for us. I am confident a trade will happen. We just have to get a little better deal than what's being offered.

[Edited by - markji on 09-06-2008 6:25 PM]

I agree, which is why we should ask for more. We need to get at least a 2nd round pick. A team of Conley, Gay, Mayo, Randolph, and Gasol (who is better than most people think) would be a solid team if they can play defense.
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9/8/2008  10:03 AM
SUPPOSEDLY from a Serbian Sports Column:



Gotovo je izvesno da će Darko Miličić sledeće sezone igrati u Njujork Niksima.
- Sve će se znati do kraja sledeće nedelje, ali mogu da kažem da sam 99 odsto u Njujorku. To je slavan tim, koji u poslednje vreme igra loše, ali sa novim trenerom bi to trebalo da se promeni. U suštini, svejedno mi je gde ću igrati, ali činjenica je da je Njujork stvarno veliki grad. Verovatno me očekuju strahovite gužve na putu do dvorane, ali šta da se radi. Izvesno je da će mi društvo u Njujorku praviti i Marko Jarić, pa ću imati sa kim da se družim - zaključio je Darko Miličić.

translates TO
Interviewer: After hearing of all the trade speculations, what are the chance of you suiting up for the Knicks next season?

Darko: We'll know for sure by the end of the week, but I can say that i believe there is 99% of chance i'll be playing in New York next season. New York is a great franchise, who have struggled in the recent past, but with new coach in D"antoni everything will change for better. In reality i will play anywhere, but New York is a big city. The traffic will probably be bad but that's about it. It's almost certain that Marko Jaric (another Serb) will be on the team so i'll have someone i know to hang out with /support me.



...make of it what you will but there's certainly a lot of sudden smoke all around this memphis deal to ignore it.
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9/8/2008  10:21 AM
Do it. Do it now. Most important thing this trade does is change the storyline for the upcoming season, and this shouldn't be overlooked. Instead of the usual headcase parade (I'm looking at you, Marbury and Zach), we can focus on basketball, and more importantly D'Antoni can get the team focused on basketball.

TMS, love your godfather reference.
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9/8/2008  10:24 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by GKFv2:

Nobody is trading anything of value(shorter deals) for Curry, Jeffries, and Jaric if we get him..

if u make this Zach deal & Curry goes back to playing the way he was 2 years ago when he had his best season, there's a definite possibility you can flip him in a deal for a valuable piece, or at the very least a shorter term contract... i think u could probably flip him right now for a deal that runs a year shorter if u really wanted to.

Jefferies forget about trading him for anything worth having until his deal becomes an expiring... he's completely worthless.

Of course we'll be able to trade Curry for at lease an expiring after this season. He'll have 2 years 21 million and will be coming off a better season, somebody will want him.

Jeffries and Marko need to be traded with something, Lee is the first choice to get rid of one, but the other one will be a little bit harder. I still think we could get this done if it happened........... but knicksBlog is saying the Grizzles want a 1st and Zach. Ouch!!!!

Only way to salvage this deal to me is to make it something like:
Zach (with the knicks paying half of his deferred money)
and
top 3 protected 1st rounder ( with the knicks paying all if we keep this pick)

for

Darko
Walker
Crittenton

[Edited by - anji on 09-08-2008 10:28 AM]
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9/8/2008  10:34 AM
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2008/09/adriana_lima_comes_with_the_tr.html
The latest I'm hearing on the Zach Randolph-to-Memphis talks is that the Grizzlies want a first-round pick from the Knicks. Getting a bit greedy, no? Donnie has countered by saying if he's giving up a first-rounder, he wants something more back with Darko Milicic and Marko Jaric.

if the grizz want a first round pick, I don't want this trade. unless we get Lowry or Crittenton and the pick is heavily protected.
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9/8/2008  10:35 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2008/09/adriana_lima_comes_with_the_tr.html
The latest I'm hearing on the Zach Randolph-to-Memphis talks is that the Grizzlies want a first-round pick from the Knicks. Getting a bit greedy, no? Donnie has countered by saying if he's giving up a first-rounder, he wants something more back with Darko Milicic and Marko Jaric.

if the grizz want a first round pick, I don't want this trade. unless we get Lowry or Crittenton and the pick is heavily protected.

any first round pick traded starts in 2012...when d'alsh, most likely, will no longer be around...
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9/8/2008  10:38 AM
Yup, that's f'ed up that they want our pic, considering how cheap that trade is in the first place, but if they want it, give us one of their PGs and/or Warrick.
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9/8/2008  10:40 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2008/09/adriana_lima_comes_with_the_tr.html
The latest I'm hearing on the Zach Randolph-to-Memphis talks is that the Grizzlies want a first-round pick from the Knicks. Getting a bit greedy, no? Donnie has countered by saying if he's giving up a first-rounder, he wants something more back with Darko Milicic and Marko Jaric.

if the grizz want a first round pick, I don't want this trade. unless we get Lowry or Crittenton and the pick is heavily protected.

any first round pick traded starts in 2012...when d'alsh, most likely, will no longer be around...

not 2011? i think we can trade the 2011 pick, or no because we can't trade first rounds in consecutive years?
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9/8/2008  10:42 AM
We're not just throwing in this pick. Walsh better demand more if that's what the Grizzlies are demanding.
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9/8/2008  10:42 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Yup, that's f'ed up that they want our pic, considering how cheap that trade is in the first place, but if they want it, give us one of their PGs and/or Warrick.

although i love Warrick and wanted to draft him over Frye, I don't think it makes sense to add him with Dlee, Gallinari and Chandler in the fold. If we are planning to let Lee go without re-signing him, Warrick is a decent replacement for Lee.
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9/8/2008  10:43 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

We're not just throwing in this pick. Walsh better demand more if that's what the Grizzlies are demanding.

the Grizzlies don't need to make this trade and we do, they have the advantage, they're trying to milk it.
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9/8/2008  10:46 AM
Jaric would be a good pickup. He could be a poor man's Raja Bell on this squad. He's a good player on both sides of the ball and will suprise people. We get a big guard that can handle/score/defend. You can dump Darko.. teams always need bigs and his contract is managable.
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9/8/2008  11:21 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Jaric would be a good pickup. He could be a poor man's Raja Bell on this squad. He's a good player on both sides of the ball and will suprise people. We get a big guard that can handle/score/defend. You can dump Darko.. teams always need bigs and his contract is managable.

Darko is the more valuable piece in this trade. Jaric doesn't defend like Bell. he'd probably replace Mardy Collins in the rotation as 4th guard and that's about it (assuming Marbury is gone).

Darko is worthwhile as an energetic big man who actually defends. not sure if he's got any offensive skills to speak of, but he's basically turned into a solid defender and shotblocker.
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