Posted by TheSage:

I was the wild eyed liberal of the 60's long before many of you were gleams in your fathers' eyes. My friends have included (and I mean real friend with whom I went on vacations, family gatherings) etc. men of African American decent who have been members of the both the republican and democratic national committee.

I am a political independent having voted for Johnson, Humphrey, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Dukakis, Bush, Clinton, Kerry and Gore.
Each of these candidates ran on a record not promises of shang ri la without firm positions or any record.

I told Bill Bradley he was off base in his tax plan which, in essence became law in 1984 creating the economic recession of the late 80's early 90's (causing the Bush I downfall) and subsequently caused the economic euphoria of the early 90's as a result of paper profits creating the misconception of the Clinton economic windfall.

If anyone realistically examines the current problems it was the inevitable result of the lax banking policies which were set in motion during the Clinton years (not the Bush years). Don't get me wrong I have never had any admiration for a President who has difficulty with his native tongue but the ability to speak well doesn't translate into a President.

The current economic situation is not the result of the "supply side" economic policy of Senator McCain but merely a cyclical correction which we have every 20 years or so.

If someone promises the world shouldn't he have a policy or record-the Illinois Senator promises but has never delivered. What has he accomplished or done other than convince the far left that he looks good and speaks well.

I tend to take a realistic view-I have practiced law for 30 years, taught economics at the college level for almost a decade, sit on several boards of publicly held companies and quite frankly am more than a bit annoyed being called to task for pointing out the deficiencies of someone who who is not yet ready to sit at the reins of power of the greatest democracy in the history of the world.

I went to a NYC college paying my own expenses, law school at night while supporting a wife and child and don't like the concept of being taxed to pay for people who won't sacrifice to climb the economic ladder. Charity is one thing-handouts are something else. Obama supports the handout concept.

Obama is James Earl Carter with a slightly darker covering. Promises big things, speak sofly. He never delivered and Obama has not shown he deserves the chance to fail to deliver.

To those who want to poke holes in the Mc Cain resume. Tell me what has Obama done? Not what he says he will do without supporting those but what has he actually done?

How many time has he opened his mouth and later backtracked on his positions? The Presidency is not paid internship.

One of the best posts I've read in a very long time. Thank you.

Posted by Paladin55:

No chance he picks Hillary, and Biden is too liberal. It will be either Sen. Evan Bayh (sp) of IN or Virginia Gov. Kaine (sp?). Bayh was a Clinton supporter, and this may placate Hillary and her angry folks. Kaine would possibly be a draw for Southern votes. If Obama wins, Biden is his Sec. of State.

What's more disturbing is the fact that 20% of Hillary's people are looking to vote McCain. If this is true, Bayh should be the choice. He is more conservative than Obama and comes from a state which usually votes Republican. Getting Indiana would be a big plus for the Dems.

If this country votes Republican after the Bush years, I will be done following politics for good, and I am a Social Studies teacher.

The Clintons better get off their fat butts and do some serious campaigning, or people are going to start thinking that she wants Obama to lose so she can run in 2012.

As for the racism- I am "white" and my girlfriend's grandmother, who is about 88, pretty much said that she was voting for McCain because Obama has darker skin. As an NYC teacher, most of the white teachers will vote Obama, although I know of some who seem to be looking for any excuse to vote McCain, and there are some conservative Jewish teachers who think Obama is bad for Israel, and are therefore voting McCain.

This is a f'd up country when Obama is portrayed as an elitist, while McCain has the millionaire wife, 10 homes, and his wife's jet, which he sometimes uses. Same as the Connecticut-born Bush being a Texas "cowboy," and the no-show National Guard Bush getting the votes of Vietnam vets while the real vet- Kerry- gets smeared by the "Swift Boat" campaign.

McCain even hired the Bush guys who smeared him in the 2000 primaries versus Bush.

Sorry for going on like this, but politics can be a hot topic.

Two words: On. Point.

"I've been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that." -- Meet the Press, November 27, 2005

"The only guy on the other side who's qualified is John McCain." -- MSNBC, October 30, 2007

"John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off" -- The Daily Show, August 2, 2005

Posted by BigC:

Obama is out of his mind with this choice. Obama speaks of change and picks the head of the CFR and one of McCain best friends?

Here are some quotes from Biden

"I've been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that." -- Meet the Press, November 27, 2005

"The only guy on the other side who's qualified is John McCain." -- MSNBC, October 30, 2007

"John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off" -- The Daily Show, August 2, 2005

[Edited by - BigC on 08-23-2008 06:52 AM]

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Posted by BigSm00th:

haha briggs how does he not bring what hillary would bring or even close? all hillary "brought" to the table was her experience -- i'd rather have biden's 30 years in the senate and years heading the senate foreign relations committee and senate judiciary committee. hillary's credentials don't even come close, and try to reply to me without mentioning or implying her husband bill.

Its pretty simple bigsmooth--Hillary had more popular votes than Obama and was clearly on a huge momentum run as the thing ended. Her following is huge much greater than the next pick--remember Biden was in this thing to--how did he do vote wise compared to Hillary? Im not thrilled either way to be honest.

You're still counting the primaries that Hillary agreed in writing would not count? Man, this is like saying you want the pre-season games to count because you're not happy with your regular season record.