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BigC
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7/28/2008  10:44 PM
Posted by Vmart:

The development of Chandler has made Balkman expendable. Chandler is so far ahead of Balkman in terms of basketball skill and acumen. Next one that goes is probably Mardy. I'd rather keep Green.

Not only that but Walsh is a big fan of Jeffries. So you have Chandler, Q, and Jeffries all playing the sf spot. This leaves Balkman the odd man out. Plus Balkman gettng injuried every five minutes does not help his cause.

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7/28/2008  10:49 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by Vmart:

The development of Chandler has made Balkman expendable. Chandler is so far ahead of Balkman in terms of basketball skill and acumen. Next one that goes is probably Mardy. I'd rather keep Green.

I don't know. Mardy showed some improvements in his shot in the SL, at least in the games I saw him play. You can't teach height and Mardy is a tall PG that can defend. I really want to see Mardy get a chance to play.

I like the Balkster but Gallo and Chandler are just that much better than him and he needed to be let go for the Knicks ans his sake.

We all would like to see Mardy get a shot.

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7/28/2008  10:55 PM
Posted by Vmart:

The development of Chandler has made Balkman expendable. Chandler is so far ahead of Balkman in terms of basketball skill and acumen. Next one that goes is probably Mardy. I'd rather keep Green.

I agree with you.

Balkman was still a gamer and he gave it all on defense whether they asked him to guard Lebron, or Yao Ming. He did his best. He'll be missed.

Still....Bobby Jones is known for his defense as well. I hope we get a chance to see him get after it as well.
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7/28/2008  11:12 PM


I thought this was a funny pic.
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7/28/2008  11:18 PM
Taurean Green vs. Anthony Roberson!!!! Practice preview?!?!?



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7/29/2008  12:18 AM
It's funny. I remember ALOT people saying that they would rather buyout all the players on the Knicks and hire a bunch of CBA guys, just becuase we know they would bust their asses, practice and play hard and we can watch the guys we bought out, come off the cap. Donnie is essentially doing that (Duhon, Roberson, Green, Bobby Jones) yet people are pissed. Who woulda thought.
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7/29/2008  12:42 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

It's funny. I remember ALOT people saying that they would rather buyout all the players on the Knicks and hire a bunch of CBA guys, just becuase we know they would bust their asses, practice and play hard and we can watch the guys we bought out, come off the cap. Donnie is essentially doing that (Duhon, Roberson, Green, Bobby Jones) yet people are pissed. Who woulda thought.
That's cuz you can't win with NY fans. You're damned if you do damned if you don't. Waltoni are making moves to shift this thing into a completely different level. It's gonna look strange at first, but just hold on and wait to see how things turn out.

Did we really need to keep Balkman and continue Isiah's practice of needless duplication in the roster? I actually love the idea of moving out one dimensional players for more well rounded guys or at least guys that fit the style of play, which we know is about passing and shooting and thinking quickly, none of which Balkman can do. D'Antoni saw this and i'm sure Walsh agreed.
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7/29/2008  2:50 AM
I think Balkman is still going to turn into a solid pro and will be in the league for another 5-6 years. I think this is a decent move though. We get a pick and we clear some cap space and solve the logjam that was developing at SF (of course we created a logjam at pg though). If you think about it, we got more for Balkman than Denver got for Camby. Now all we need to do is cut Marbury to clear up room for all these pgs. We sold Balkman low but sometimes you just have to move on.


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7/29/2008  5:23 AM
Another irrelevant move. Thats all I ca say. The only good thing about Walsh move's so far, is that no one can be really angry nor happy at them, since they dont mean almost anything to the future or the present of this team. The summer's long, so things may change yet.
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7/29/2008  7:17 AM
i'm hijacking my post from the ny times forum...

just to add to the discussion about why i can understand the deal.

to those who want to wait and see balkman grow this year, how will that happen if he doesn't play?

yes, we could have injuries, but what seems more likely, all of our sf's to get injured for balkman to get enough of an opportunity to shine or this to not happen and then have his value either remain stagnant, or decrease, then having him become a free-agent we likely would not sign since we are trying to keep players we really need for the roster leading into the post-2010 season free agent market?

if anything this is an anti-isiah move in that it does not just deal with stockpiling/holding assets that don't fit the team's model.

balkman probably has more value, and he was only moved at all because he does have some, but he would be unlikely to ever get a chance to prove any more of it here. So you cut your losses, and get a 2nd rounder out of it from two teams in a conference that making the playoffs is hella hard.

aren't we always admiring or wondering why teams cut guys that we like, etc. but it never seems that the knicks do it?

i think it might be a bit soon to start panicking about something like this.
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7/29/2008  7:28 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

It's funny. I remember ALOT people saying that they would rather buyout all the players on the Knicks and hire a bunch of CBA guys, just becuase we know they would bust their asses, practice and play hard and we can watch the guys we bought out, come off the cap. Donnie is essentially doing that (Duhon, Roberson, Green, Bobby Jones) yet people are pissed. Who woulda thought.

No- we wanted to get rid of the overpaid dead weight, like Marbury,Zach & Crawford. Not the guys who actually played hard and gave effort on the court like Balkman.
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7/29/2008  7:31 AM
if we're still out there trying to move zach, I would think a Zach & Balkman deal has more value than a Zach & 2nd Rounder does.

And speaking of combos- wouldn't a combo of Malik & Balkman maybe be able to get us a decent player back?
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7/29/2008  7:56 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

It's funny. I remember ALOT people saying that they would rather buyout all the players on the Knicks and hire a bunch of CBA guys, just becuase we know they would bust their asses, practice and play hard and we can watch the guys we bought out, come off the cap. Donnie is essentially doing that (Duhon, Roberson, Green, Bobby Jones) yet people are pissed. Who woulda thought.

these are inconsequential moves that mean nothing on the surface and yet guys are flipping out. This place is going to be a horror show when we make a couple big deals
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7/29/2008  8:03 AM
both those guys are gonna be waived in all likelihood, & getting rid of Balkman means they're now at the 15 man roster limit... if this means Marbury's here for the rest of the year i'd be extremely disappointed, but i'm gonna wait & see what happens before i complain about things that haven't yet happened.
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7/29/2008  8:05 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Taurean Green vs. Anthony Roberson!!!! Practice preview?!?!?



Green looks to be about 4 feet tall in that pic.
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7/29/2008  8:09 AM
Posted by TMS:

both those guys are gonna be waived in all likelihood, & getting rid of Balkman means they're now at the 15 man roster limit... if this means Marbury's here for the rest of the year i'd be extremely disappointed, but i'm gonna wait & see what happens before i complain about things that haven't yet happened.

It gives more flexibility for trade filler. It also puts us in position to make a trade in which we take back more players than we give up, which is a possibility when trading the big salaried guys.
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7/29/2008  8:11 AM
if Walsh manages to dump Zach's contract for a shorter term deal i will consider this offseason as a tremendous success... if moves like this help him achieve that then by all means, go for it... but if it ends up leading nowhere then i don't really see the point to be honest... a 2nd rounder for Balk is not good value.
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7/29/2008  8:14 AM
Posted by TMS:

if Walsh manages to dump Zach's contract for a shorter term deal i will consider this offseason as a tremendous success... if moves like this help him achieve that then by all means, go for it... but if it ends up leading nowhere then i don't really see the point to be honest... a 2nd rounder for Balk is not good value.

I think that's common sense. Everyone on the site would agree with you. Obviously we have to give the guy more than a few months to figure out if this was a trade with a purpose or a move for no reason. there is nothing in Walsh or D'Antoni's mind that makes me think that this was done for no reason.
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7/29/2008  8:19 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:

if Walsh manages to dump Zach's contract for a shorter term deal i will consider this offseason as a tremendous success... if moves like this help him achieve that then by all means, go for it... but if it ends up leading nowhere then i don't really see the point to be honest... a 2nd rounder for Balk is not good value.

I think that's common sense. Everyone on the site would agree with you. Obviously we have to give the guy more than a few months to figure out if this was a trade with a purpose or a move for no reason. there is nothing in Walsh or D'Antoni's mind that makes me think that this was done for no reason.

it's not common sense... it's a well thought out idea that i came up with & you're trying to steal my thunder away by minimizing it's brilliance.

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7/29/2008  8:47 AM
Posted by TMS:

a 2nd rounder for Balk is not good value.
I agree.....but to make it worse ther were "cash considerations" in the deal meaning we paid an estimated $575,000 to get the 2nd round pick. That probably is the market price for a second round pick. So we got Green and B Jones for Balk. Trading Balk to Denver so they would sell us the 2nd round pick was probably also part of the deal. I don't understand the low return of this trade, but I'll wait and see.
The Knicks jettisoned Renaldo Balkman yesterday in a trade with Denver that also sent the Nuggets cash considerations and returned a 2010 second-round pick and two fringe players: guard Taurean Green and forward Bobby Jones.
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