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7/22/2008  1:06 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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I agree with you. I have no problem with someone who hates the pick. I have no problem with people loving the pick. But back your stuff up with more than youtube highlights and tabloid articles where "sources" and "unnamed scouts" rule the world.

Tabloid reporting used to be the domain of women and hollywood. Now it's slowly creeping it's way into my sportsworld and I am disgusted. Disgusted!!! Puh!!! I'm going to throw up now. There!!! I threw up!!! Are you people happy!

LOL!

I agree with you though Bip, it was just Hollywood crap and now it's creeping into the sportsworld e.g, just watch Sportscenter and count how many times you hear Brett Favre's name. It's stupid.

If I hear Favre's name one more time I'm going to.........I'm going to........I'm going to do something!!!!
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7/23/2008  9:07 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

do you think they might sit gallinari for the rest of the summer until season ticket renewals are in? are they protecting themselves in case his play stinks up the joint?

Even ya boy ClydeFrazier(company man) sides with briggs, sebstar and myself read:

Well, count Knicks legend and team broadcaster Walt "Clyde" Frazier among the skeptics.

Speaking on July 11, before Gallinari even made his brief appearance on the court in Vegas, Frazier was wondering if the foreign import was the right fit for a Knicks team hoping to make a quick turnaround under the new leadership of Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni.

"No one knew about the guy," Frazier said. "The highlights, it looks like he's a scorer...but [he has] the same weaknesses: defense, rebounding."

"Plus the kid is only 19," Frazier continued. "C'mon, he's going to be overwhelmed by New York."

Frazier's final assessment suggested he doesn't think the Italian Stallion will be doing too much shaking or baking at the Garden this winter: "You're looking at a project. He's a project at best. I don't think he's going to be much help this year."




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7/23/2008  9:36 AM
Posted by playa2:
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do you think they might sit gallinari for the rest of the summer until season ticket renewals are in? are they protecting themselves in case his play stinks up the joint?

Even ya boy ClydeFrazier(company man) sides with briggs, sebstar and myself read:

Well, count Knicks legend and team broadcaster Walt "Clyde" Frazier among the skeptics.

Speaking on July 11, before Gallinari even made his brief appearance on the court in Vegas, Frazier was wondering if the foreign import was the right fit for a Knicks team hoping to make a quick turnaround under the new leadership of Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni.

"No one knew about the guy," Frazier said. "The highlights, it looks like he's a scorer...but [he has] the same weaknesses: defense, rebounding."

"Plus the kid is only 19," Frazier continued. "C'mon, he's going to be overwhelmed by New York."

Frazier's final assessment suggested he doesn't think the Italian Stallion will be doing too much shaking or baking at the Garden this winter: "You're looking at a project. He's a project at best. I don't think he's going to be much help this year."


So again Playa since you changed your argument 3 times, I guess we are now settling on him possibly being injury prone?
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7/23/2008  9:47 AM
Bip Clyde was known as being a company man , but as a company man he wouldn't have made those comments about the gall the franchises prize pick .

He kept his credibility by at least bringing up the lack of validity of the gall being picked at #6 overall in a round about way.
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7/23/2008  9:53 AM
Posted by playa2:

Bip Clyde was known as being a company man , but as a company man he wouldn't have made those comments about the gall the franchises prize pick .

He kept his credibility by at least bringing up the lack of validity of the gall being picked at #6 overall in a round about way.

Again, I have no problem with that. Anyone can speculate at this point whether it was a good pick or not. But what does it mean? It means nothing. You still have to wait and see.

I will however point out that your reason for not liking the Gallinari trade had nothing to do with injuries at first. But I guess we can ignore that and just move on.
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7/23/2008  10:04 AM
Bip clyde made the most telling comment:You're looking at a project. He's a project at best. I don't think he's going to be much help this year."


At #6 overall we need and difference maker not a project, this is why I din't want to draft 19 yr euro player "the gall" .
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7/23/2008  10:09 AM
Posted by playa2:

[quote]Posted by djsunyc:

do you think they might sit gallinari for the rest of the summer until season ticket renewals are in? are they protecting themselves in case his play stinks up the joint?

Even ya boy ClydeFrazier(company man) sides with briggs, sebstar and myself read:

Well, count Knicks legend and team broadcaster Walt "Clyde" Frazier among the skeptics.

Speaking on July 11, before Gallinari even made his brief appearance on the court in Vegas, Frazier was wondering if the foreign import was the right fit for a Knicks team hoping to make a quick turnaround under the new leadership of Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni.

"No one knew about the guy," Frazier said. "The highlights, it looks like he's a scorer...but [he has] the same weaknesses: defense, rebounding."

"Plus the kid is only 19," Frazier continued. "C'mon, he's going to be overwhelmed by New York."

Frazier's final assessment suggested he doesn't think the Italian Stallion will be doing too much shaking or baking at the Garden this winter: "You're looking at a project. He's a project at best. I don't think he's going to be much help this year."





Wait--dont lob me in as a detractor. I don't believe he was the best player or talent for us at 6--I think we couldve used 6 much more wisely
and dear God I hope there is no pre-exsisting medical condition that we simply poo pooed BUT I want him to succeed--- he looks like he can really shoot it and I hope for the best. We can talk about the what ifs but the reality is Gallinari is a Knick and I hope what we saw out of the last 6-7 minutes of that one game is something we will see often asap. I do NOT want him to be coddled---we are a 23 win team---this is not an 18 year old HS kid--I want him to play. If he doesnt play--then I will question the pick beyond what has been questioned--but as of now I am hopeful about this pick. I will detract if he really does have medical issues because that sets the franchise back years when we simply couldve taken a healthy somewhat similar type prospect in randolph or the safe pick Bayless.
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7/23/2008  10:27 AM
Posted by playa2:

Bip clyde made the most telling comment:You're looking at a project. He's a project at best. I don't think he's going to be much help this year."


At #6 overall we need and difference maker not a project, this is why I din't want to draft 19 yr euro player "the gall" .

So it's not injuries? It's that he is a project.

I would disagree with Clyde on whether it is important that this guy is a project. Saying that he needs to help us "this year" is the typical NY impatient response. We have to be good now, or else the world is going to fall apart. No the reality is, and let this sick in, we will stink next year. I don't care if he is a project as long as he is producing in 2-3 years why does it matter if he is good "this year". Why are the Knicks of all teams worried about being good "this year". We have a lot of closet cleaning before we are worried about how good our draft pick is "this year". If he isn't showing that he is going to be a good player in a couple years than yes we need to worry. But rebuilding teams do not worry about "this year". Since we never rebuild in NY it's hard for us to grasp that.

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7/23/2008  10:31 AM
Hopefully we will accumulate some draft picks over the next few years so we can have a few Gallo's and Chandler's to help share the burden of the team and build together. Instead of thinking we are doomed if Gallo doesn't produce "this year". This is a process and no one player is turning it around, unless that name is Lebron. We need to get ourselves in a position where if a Gallo doesn't work out it's not a franchise devestating moment. Obviously we aren't at that point yet.
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7/23/2008  10:42 AM
are we back to the "Project" excuse? I thought someone debunked that a few days ago.
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7/23/2008  11:32 AM
So if the knicks plays over their heads in D'antoni's new system and THE GALL is brought along in the rotation, shouldn't he produce being #6 overall with the minutes given to him? Remember he played against and with grown men in a league many say is better than the Plantaion league.
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7/23/2008  11:35 AM
Why the hell does Gallinari have to help the team this year? This team is not going anywhere anytime soon. The typical Knicks pick would have been the Channing Frye route and to pick a player that will look good in his first year, but Walsh is taking a chance on this kid and that's fine with me.

Typical same ol same ol from the same ol people.
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7/23/2008  11:40 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why the hell does Gallinari have to help the team this year? This team is not going anywhere anytime soon. The typical Knicks pick would have been the Channing Frye route and to pick a player that will look good in his first year, but Walsh is taking a chance on this kid and that's fine with me.

Typical same ol same ol from the same ol people.

i don't think a project should be taken this high in the draft. i think if you're drafting 6th, you need to find a guy that can help the team. i think danilo will get alot of playing time this year. if he doesn't, i think it's a bad pick.
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7/23/2008  11:42 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why the hell does Gallinari have to help the team this year? This team is not going anywhere anytime soon. The typical Knicks pick would have been the Channing Frye route and to pick a player that will look good in his first year, but Walsh is taking a chance on this kid and that's fine with me.

Typical same ol same ol from the same ol people.

i don't think a project should be taken this high in the draft. i think if you're drafting 6th, you need to find a guy that can help the team. i think danilo will get alot of playing time this year. if he doesn't, i think it's a bad pick.

So whats the problem? He'll get alot of PT and we'll see what he's worth.

cmon DJ, say your favorite quote after me. "if you can't trust Walsh and D'Antoni, who can you trust."
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7/23/2008  11:47 AM
That whole article is based on what Clyde feels how Gallo will impact "this season". I agree with him that I don't believe he is ready to be a big impact player this season. I think by the last few months of the season he will come on strong like Chandler. That a yr of NBA weight lifting and training which will do wonders for him.

When Randolph was first brought up as who the Knicks should take the conscious was to let him sit for 2 yrs while he develops his game and body. Most people were cool with that. As a matter of fact most people wanted to take a shot at a home run type a talent even if it was a risk and we had to wait if we couldn't get Rose or Beasley.

Since Gallo isn't the popular pick now the double standards get put in place. If Randolph was the pick would we be talking about him being an impact player this yr or would we be talking about what he could do for us 2yrs from now?
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7/23/2008  11:50 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why the hell does Gallinari have to help the team this year? This team is not going anywhere anytime soon. The typical Knicks pick would have been the Channing Frye route and to pick a player that will look good in his first year, but Walsh is taking a chance on this kid and that's fine with me.

Typical same ol same ol from the same ol people.

i don't think a project should be taken this high in the draft. i think if you're drafting 6th, you need to find a guy that can help the team. i think danilo will get alot of playing time this year. if he doesn't, i think it's a bad pick.

this doesn't take into consideration as to who is already on the team. What happens if Zbo and Chandler both look awesome in Mike's system? Do you NOT play those guys?

You take a high pick strategically and then weight for the roster and team and whatever else to shake out.
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7/23/2008  11:52 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why the hell does Gallinari have to help the team this year? This team is not going anywhere anytime soon. The typical Knicks pick would have been the Channing Frye route and to pick a player that will look good in his first year, but Walsh is taking a chance on this kid and that's fine with me.

Typical same ol same ol from the same ol people.

i don't think a project should be taken this high in the draft. i think if you're drafting 6th, you need to find a guy that can help the team. i think danilo will get alot of playing time this year. if he doesn't, i think it's a bad pick.

Would you take Andrew Bynum at #6?
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7/23/2008  11:54 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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Why the hell does Gallinari have to help the team this year? This team is not going anywhere anytime soon. The typical Knicks pick would have been the Channing Frye route and to pick a player that will look good in his first year, but Walsh is taking a chance on this kid and that's fine with me.

Typical same ol same ol from the same ol people.

i don't think a project should be taken this high in the draft. i think if you're drafting 6th, you need to find a guy that can help the team. i think danilo will get alot of playing time this year. if he doesn't, i think it's a bad pick.

So whats the problem? He'll get alot of PT and we'll see what he's worth.

cmon DJ, say your favorite quote after me. "if you can't trust Walsh and D'Antoni, who can you trust."

no problem. just saying that i think fans should expect him to play and help this year. i don't see him being that big a project b/c he will get alot of chances this year.
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7/23/2008  11:55 AM
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why the hell does Gallinari have to help the team this year? This team is not going anywhere anytime soon. The typical Knicks pick would have been the Channing Frye route and to pick a player that will look good in his first year, but Walsh is taking a chance on this kid and that's fine with me.

Typical same ol same ol from the same ol people.

i don't think a project should be taken this high in the draft. i think if you're drafting 6th, you need to find a guy that can help the team. i think danilo will get alot of playing time this year. if he doesn't, i think it's a bad pick.

Would you take Andrew Bynum at #6?

if i was the knicks gm - no.
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7/23/2008  12:02 PM
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no problem. just saying that i think fans should expect him to play and help this year. i don't see him being that big a project b/c he will get alot of chances this year.

I see where you're coming from DJ. I think he'll get alot of PT, he'll be playing the 3/4/5 according to D'Antoni's lineups.
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