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Bonn1997
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7/16/2008  5:25 AM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

David Lee is def gonna be traded now bc the only way to trade Zach at this point is to dangle Lee with him.
Why? The two don't compliment each other at all and Lee is going to need a big contract extension.
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7/16/2008  5:26 AM
Posted by BlacKat:

Zach is a better scorer and rebounder than Brand, Sheed, Okfor, Smith, etc......... The only PF's better than Zach at scoring and rebounds is Duncan and maybe KG but their overall games dewarfs Zachs to the extreme !!!

Zach isn't better at anything than Brand.
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7/16/2008  5:27 AM
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Well that's just as bad holding out for the pick, now he is stuck here till the end of his deal. You just can't get rid of max deals that easily, maybe i'm wrong and we move him for wally or something like that, but this deal was too good to be true. You never hold out in this type of situation.

Gallo looks like a good player, but Walsh just went against everything he preached when he took over. Again you're getting a trade exception, it's not like your are not getting something in return. If Walsh was holding out for a pick where was he when he had the chance to buy a pick to bring in Darrell Arthur or Chalmers to guys with solid pedigree, which were mid 15 type players.

He wants to move Lee? Why not open up minutes for him to start or get additional minutes to showcase players. We suck already we aren't going to make the playoffs and if we do we are out first round so what is he doing

I'm just sayin MS.. if you can't trust Donnie Walsh as GM then who can you trust?

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7/16/2008  8:08 AM
lol.. I'm prob the only guy on this board glad we didnt give Zach up for nothing
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7/16/2008  8:23 AM
Everyone here wants Camby. Everyone wants to get rid of Zach.

Why would the Clippers choose Zach over Camby?
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7/16/2008  8:53 AM
i can trump that. i'm probably the only guy here who wants to see if he can play under MDA
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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7/16/2008  8:58 AM
Posted by McK1:

i can trump that. i'm probably the only guy here who wants to see if he can play under MDA
I'm also OK in keeping Zach but only if Marbury is gone. Get rid of one bad locker room influence and have D'Antoni work with Zach and keep him focused.

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7/16/2008  10:03 AM
From the Rocky Mountain News

Marcus Camby's agent was told it was a salary dump.

It was one fit for only the largest city dump.

The Nuggets traded the center to the Los Angeles Clippers on Tuesday in a move that next season could save them more than $22 million when the luxury tax is considered. And what must the Clippers give the Nuggets?

Possibly nothing.

The Nuggets have the option of trading second-round picks in 2010. But if Denver's pick ends up being better than Los Angeles', the Clippers give up nothing.

"They told me it was a salary dump," Camby's agent, Rick Kaplan, said of the Nuggets. "It was shocking. They got nothing in return. . . . They're going to get crushed in public relations. . . . This is one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history."

The Nuggets did receive a $10 million trade exception for a year, which gives them the opportunity to take back that much more than they give up in a deal.

"The deal was made for one compelling reason," said vice president of basketball operations Mark Warkentien, who said the Nuggets remain in luxury-tax territory. "The trade exception that we get provides us with greater flexibility and more options for potential deals."

Warkentien was asked if he's concerned about the public-relations implications of getting nothing immediate for Camby, who averaged 9.1 points, 13.1 rebounds and an NBA-high 3.61 blocked shots last season.

"It's not a checkers move," he said. "It's a chess move. Chess is a tougher game to understand. You've got to wait longer to see the results of the move."

Kaplan said Camby was "shocked." He said Camby, who played six Nuggets seasons, was most concerned about his charity endeavors in Denver.

"Most of all, I'll miss the Denver community," Camby, who was unavailable for comment, said in a statement. "It became my home. It's where I have my foundation, and I was very involved there."

Before the deal, the Nuggets had nine players with guaranteed contracts totaling more than $79 million. That was $8 million more than the $71.15 million luxury tax threshold.

Camby's base salary next season is $8 million and his cap number is $10 million because of the $2 million in games-played bonuses he got last season. So assuming Camby, 34, plays in 65 or more games next season, the Nuggets would have saved $20 million when the dollar-for- dollar tax is considered.

Camby, whose contract expires after he makes a base of $7.65 million in 2009-10, also has statistical bonuses that kick in if he averages 10 points, 10 rebounds and two blocked shots.

Considering he earned $1.25 million for such bonuses in 2006-07, the Nuggets potentially saved more than $22 million for next season.

Nuggets vice president of player personnel Rex Chapman said he couldn't "venture to guess a percentage" as to when the Nuggets might use their trade exception.

"We're going to continue to do business and make calls," he said.

The Nuggets and the Clippers started talking last week when Elton Brand, who had opted out of his contract, left Los Angeles for Philadelphia.

"We sent word to teams over the luxury tax that we could take money off their hands," Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy said.

Dunleavy said Camby, the 2006-07 NBA Defensive Player of the Year, might end up being a "better fit" than Brand. He spoke with Camby on Tuesday.

"It was a shock to him at first, but I think he knows he's a great fit," said Dunleavy, who plans to start Camby alongside incumbent Clippers center Chris Kaman.

The Nuggets now are thin in the post, with Warkentien saying, "We'll see how this shapes out." There is Nene, who missed much of last season because of testicular cancer, and Steven Hunter, who played sparingly.

"I was thinking something was going to happen because we have so many players making all this money, and we didn't win a playoff game (last season)," Hunter said. "I've got to be prepared to produce (next season). I'm ready to work."

Hunter was in Las Vegas, where the Nuggets are having summer league, from July 9 until Tuesday, working with coaches. Other Nuggets veterans there were Camby, Anthony Carter and J.R. Smith.

Camby had returned to his offseason home in Houston when he heard the news. Kaplan said one reason for his surprise was Nuggets officials had said nothing to him in Las Vegas about a possible deal.

"I thought there was a chance he might be traded, but I thought it might be a trade in which (the Nuggets) were trying to improve themselves," Kaplan said.
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7/16/2008  10:06 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
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Either way, Zach's value, even at an all-time low for most of you, is more than an expiring contract and a second rounder. At least make it a first

the way i understand it, there isn't even an expiring involved in the deal... Clips are simply absorbing Camby's contract for a future 2nd round pick... it gives the Nuggets instant cap relief & they don't have to take back even an expiring contract in return... it makes sense for the Clippers to do this type of trade... this isn't quite the same as the rumored Zach deal.

After losing Elton Brand to Philadelphia, the Clippers called the Knicks seeking a deal to acquire Zach Randolph.
Sports Illustrated reports that the Knicks are unwilling to trade the offensively gifted Randolph for what would amount to a salary dump of the final three years of his contract. The Clippers' proposal would not provide comparable return on talent.

The thinking could be that new head coach Mike D'Antoni will rejuvenate the Knicks while elevating Randolph's game and therefore his trade value.

The Clippers can also pursue Josh Smith and Emeka Okafor to fill their vacant power forward slot, but both are restricted free-agents whose respective teams can match any offer.



This is the original deal that Dunleavy offered for Randolph. Walsh wanted back expiring contracts. Dunleavy threw in Cuttino and DeAndre Jordan. Walsh wanted Gordon, I am not sure if he wanted Cuttino. This story was reported in LA as well. From my understanding Walsh just kept asking for more.

If the clippers were willing to give up Jordan then Walsh is an fool. THat is as good as it is going to get and if the goal is to have cap space to sign Lebron, this was our best chance to do that. Now we are left hoping another opportunity pops up. Walsh better hope the new coach can make Zach look good this year or else we will never be able to trade him.
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7/16/2008  10:08 AM
"We sent word to teams over the luxury tax that we could take money off their hands," Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy said.

is it possible that the knicks contacted clippers about zach but were rebuffed by dunleavy?

denver could move the exemption next summer when they are in a position to take back salary after iverson expires.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-16-2008 10:09 AM]
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7/16/2008  10:11 AM
And Smith is better at nearly everything than Zach and if the Hawks had someone that could shoot the ball would have beat boston because KG was outplayed by the kid.......

Donnie ****ed up everything we could have hoped for, cap space, increasing Curry's value, I don't care what he does from now on. Curry, Galo, Chandler, wade/lebron/, any pg would have been good enough to compete. The Cavs have no one and they were in the finals and nearly beat the celtics this year. We would have added another nice pick and maybe moved crawford/lee in a package for more assets. I am shocked
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7/16/2008  10:13 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
"We sent word to teams over the luxury tax that we could take money off their hands," Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy said.

is it possible that the knicks contacted clippers about zach but were rebuffed by dunleavy?

denver could move the exemption next summer when they are in a position to take back salary after iverson expires.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-16-2008 10:09 AM]

From every report I read. Dunleavy reached out to Walsh about Randolph with the 2nd round pick offer.
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7/16/2008  10:15 AM
This was the only blog snipit i could find from the clips perspective.
I'm told that the Clippers did indeed inquire with the Knicks about power forward Zach Randolph, but it was more of a fact-finding mission and didn't seem to go anywhere. At least for the time being. Apparently, this happened a few days ago. The plan, right now, is to take a few days and assess the situation, then decide on Plan A, B and C

http://www.insidesocal.com/clippers/2008/07/randolph.html
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7/16/2008  10:17 AM
Posted by Andrew:

This was the only blog snipit i could find from the clips perspective.
I'm told that the Clippers did indeed inquire with the Knicks about power forward Zach Randolph, but it was more of a fact-finding mission and didn't seem to go anywhere. At least for the time being. Apparently, this happened a few days ago. The plan, right now, is to take a few days and assess the situation, then decide on Plan A, B and C

http://www.insidesocal.com/clippers/2008/07/randolph.html

this is something i can believe. all this definite offer/refusal stuff i don't buy. i think the clips called every team, with the knicks being one of them. zach to la la was never going to happen.
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7/16/2008  10:21 AM
just an fyi, use http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp to look at salaries. it's more accurate than hoopshype.

camby makes $10 mil this season.
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7/16/2008  10:28 AM
Walsh already proved he will work at his own pace when he turned down an offer from the Los Angeles Clippers for Zach Randolph, whom Walsh had been shopping for a while. The Clippers reportedly offered a second-round pick for Randolph, but Walsh believes he can get a better offer. Randolph, who has a hefty three years and $48 million left on his contract, is still a consistent double-double performer.

hoopsworld.com is a credible site IMO. It was the first site to break the Camby deal, sounds like they have good sources.
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7/16/2008  10:34 AM
Anyone think the Clips got Camby to trade him to the Knicks for Randolph?
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7/16/2008  10:37 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Anyone think the Clips got Camby to trade him to the Knicks for Randolph?

then why not make it a 3 way deal? and his agent isn't talking like that was the case - i'm sure he would've known about it.
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7/16/2008  10:40 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by VDesai:

Anyone think the Clips got Camby to trade him to the Knicks for Randolph?

then why not make it a 3 way deal? and his agent isn't talking like that was the case - i'm sure he would've known about it.

Maybe still working out other minor details? Dunleavy was at the Knicks game on Monday doing some scouting.



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7/16/2008  10:43 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by VDesai:

Anyone think the Clips got Camby to trade him to the Knicks for Randolph?

then why not make it a 3 way deal? and his agent isn't talking like that was the case - i'm sure he would've known about it.

Also if it was a 3 way deal, would the salary matching have had to come into play? I.E. would the Clips have been able to split the trade exemption? Not sure how that works.

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