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EwingsGlass
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7/12/2008  8:35 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

It's BS he asked for Gordon--I just checked the rules--Gordon actually signed his rookie contract and now CANNOT be traded for 3 months no matter what--so whatever journalist broke this piece is not only lying but didnt do the homework necessary for the lie. Whoever put that in print is a joke.

Eric Gordon signed July 2 2008 and is not eligible to be traded until Nov.

On the other hand Deandre Jordan has not signed a contract with the Clippers YET that I have found.

"(d) Except as set forth in Section 8(e) below: (1) no player who signs a Contract as a Free Agent may be traded before the later of (i) three (3) months following the date on which such Contract was signed or (ii) the December 15 of the Salary Cap Year in which such Contract was signed; and (2) no Draft Rookie who signs a Player Contract may be traded before thirty (30) days following the date on which the Contract is signed."

Its only 30 days for draft rookies. Free agents are three months.


http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-VII_8.php

[Edited by - ewingsglass on 07-12-2008 8:37 PM]
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7/12/2008  9:03 PM
Posted by Solace:

Has to be a garbage rumor. If this were true, Walsh would deserve to be fired.

Let's be realistic about things. In the NBA, you pay for your mistakes for a long time. You can't try to save face for an organization's previous stupid move by keeping the player to raise their value. Trying to raise a player's value always sounds like an intelligent strategy, yet it rarely works.

if the rumor that the Knicks were looking to trade down in the draft w/Philly to unload Zach's contract had any truth to it at all then it's impossible that this rumor has any truth to it... there's no way in hell Walsh would have passed up a chance to dump Zach w/o having to give up any assets to do it.
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7/12/2008  11:16 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by BRIGGS:

It's BS he asked for Gordon--I just checked the rules--Gordon actually signed his rookie contract and now CANNOT be traded for 3 months no matter what--so whatever journalist broke this piece is not only lying but didnt do the homework necessary for the lie. Whoever put that in print is a joke.

Eric Gordon signed July 2 2008 and is not eligible to be traded until Nov.

On the other hand Deandre Jordan has not signed a contract with the Clippers YET that I have found.

Well, I learned something today. I had no idea that it was different for rookies.

"(d) Except as set forth in Section 8(e) below: (1) no player who signs a Contract as a Free Agent may be traded before the later of (i) three (3) months following the date on which such Contract was signed or (ii) the December 15 of the Salary Cap Year in which such Contract was signed; and (2) no Draft Rookie who signs a Player Contract may be traded before thirty (30) days following the date on which the Contract is signed."

Its only 30 days for draft rookies. Free agents are three months.


http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-VII_8.php

[Edited by - ewingsglass on 07-12-2008 8:37 PM]
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7/12/2008  11:22 PM
There will be change with the roster, that much is certain. How much and how soon remains to be seen. Walsh already proved he will work at his own pace when he turned down an offer from the Los Angeles Clippers for Zach Randolph, whom Walsh had been shopping for a while. The Clippers reportedly offered a second-round pick for Randolph, but Walsh believes he can get a better offer. Randolph, who has a hefty three years and $48 million left on his contract, is still a consistent double-double performer.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spknix0713,0,1879002.story

I guess this can be put to rest. Walsh said no to this deal. He made his own bed. Stuff like this comes back to bite you in the ass and considering this is the Knicks that's what will probably happen.
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7/12/2008  11:49 PM
The Zach deal will get done but its going to take time to get it done. By mid August Zach will be a Clipper. My gut says that the deal has just been prolonged to wait for Eric Gordon's trade restiction to end.
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7/12/2008  11:51 PM
Clippers are not dealing a lottery pick for Zach Randolph.
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7/12/2008  11:53 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Clippers are not dealing a lottery pick for Zach Randolph.

You will be shocked when it happens.
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7/13/2008  12:01 AM
I'm with GKF on this one. I seriously doubt LA would ship Gordon our way (unless the deal was expanded to include Lee?)
However, I think Gordon is a nice ceiling to start the negotiations. Start high and work the way down. I would be thrilled with a Zach for Jordan trade.
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7/13/2008  12:03 AM
They were about to commit to Brand so they can win now no? Why not give us a pick for Zach?
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7/13/2008  12:11 AM
Posted by MaTT4281:

I'm with GKF on this one. I seriously doubt LA would ship Gordon our way (unless the deal was expanded to include Lee?)
However, I think Gordon is a nice ceiling to start the negotiations. Start high and work the way down. I would be thrilled with a Zach for Jordan trade.

Thats why you guys aren't GMs, the clippers have a win now philosphy at this monement in time. That means something in the NBA. Zach as much as people on this board bash him is still a 20-10 player and those type of plyers yeild young talent high lottery picks and cap space. You don't just trade a 20-10 player for cap space especially when the Knicks are never concerned with cap space to begin with. 2010 is still ways away and another deal will come along for the Knicks. Its the Clippers that have to think hard about this not the Knicks. They still have Mobley at sg so they will give up Gordon in the end its not a steep price at all its fair price for a big man that will rebound and score and provide a much needed post presence.

Knicks fans tend to sell whatever they don't want short but there are teams out there that covet Zach.
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7/13/2008  12:26 AM
Posted by Vmart:

[quote]Posted by GKFv2:

Clippers are not dealing a lottery pick for Zach Randolph.


You will be shocked when it happens.

It isnt happening --not even 1/10000000000 scintilla of a chance
--just think about this logic
--if the clippers were having thoughts of giving up pick 7 they wouldve never signed Gordon because they immmediately lost trade flexibility
--They tried to trade up for Gordon
--Dunleavy had VERY VERY high praises for Gordon calling him Mitch Richmond
--Eric Gordon is 19 and a huge future building block who also has the ability to impact now as a scorer

Offering a future second round pick is light years away from offering the lottery pick you are high on that you just signed and told all of your fans that he looks like Mitch Richmond.

Zach Randolph is a player they could fit for free for two years IF we take back mobley and Thomas[maybe we have a deal to release them so the Clippers can get them back in a month] and that probably fits well with a cheap owner. Now the Clippers are taking on that last year--that would be a HUGE HUGE asset for the Knicks--forget talent for talent trade--that goes a LONG way to securing a path to FA in 2010--can we possibly get a future restricted 1--I think its possible--I think thats something that can be negotiated out but Eric Gordon is a fantasy made up by ignorant sportswriters who have no clue.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-13-2008 12:27 AM]
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7/13/2008  12:27 AM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by djsunyc:
Alan Hahn of Newsday reports that trade discussions between the Knicks and Clippers about Zach Randolph could be ongoing.

*could be ongoing* = pure speculation
It may be that Donnie Walsh is holding out for the Clippers to include Eric Gordon, the Indiana guard who was the 7th pick in this year's draft, in exchange for Randolph.

*it may be* = pure speculation
Because the Clippers are under the salary cap, the teams would not have to match contracts in the deal.

only thing factual about this blurb.
Hahn's source tells him that Walsh has been "very active" in trade talks and is "looking at these types of transactions constantly."

hahn's source sounds like he's in the pipeline of information at the garden...or posts for realgm.

this is total unadulterated BS. why do we read something so absolutely vague yet run with it like it's really happening?

When numerous sources report something, it's usually true. No need to be in denial.

you do realize that when one source breaks this...all the others are using that source as their source, right?
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7/13/2008  12:29 AM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by MaTT4281:

I'm with GKF on this one. I seriously doubt LA would ship Gordon our way (unless the deal was expanded to include Lee?)
However, I think Gordon is a nice ceiling to start the negotiations. Start high and work the way down. I would be thrilled with a Zach for Jordan trade.

Thats why you guys aren't GMs, the clippers have a win now philosphy at this monement in time. That means something in the NBA. Zach as much as people on this board bash him is still a 20-10 player and those type of plyers yeild young talent high lottery picks and cap space. You don't just trade a 20-10 player for cap space especially when the Knicks are never concerned with cap space to begin with. 2010 is still ways away and another deal will come along for the Knicks. Its the Clippers that have to think hard about this not the Knicks. They still have Mobley at sg so they will give up Gordon in the end its not a steep price at all its fair price for a big man that will rebound and score and provide a much needed post presence.

Knicks fans tend to sell whatever they don't want short but there are teams out there that covet Zach.

From what I read on the blogs the deal the Clips proposed Brand for Mobley and the rights to DeAndre Jordan. Sounds like they wanted to be rid of Mobley so Gordon has no worries about competing for the starting role. Walsh counted with Gordon and future 2nd round.

I think Dunleavy must have hung up the phone at that point, shaking his head.
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7/13/2008  12:34 AM
Please stop already with the 20 and 10 player bull****. And Marbury is a damn 18 and 8 player. What does that make him? Untradeable? Superstar? Look beyond stats for a second and see what Zach does and his reputation. The guy is basically worthless with that contract.
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7/13/2008  12:37 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:

[quote]Posted by GKFv2:

Clippers are not dealing a lottery pick for Zach Randolph.


You will be shocked when it happens.

It isnt happening --not even 1/10000000000 scintilla of a chance
--just think about this logic
--if the clippers were having thoughts of giving up pick 7 they wouldve never signed Gordon because they immmediately lost trade flexibility
--They tried to trade up for Gordon
--Dunleavy had VERY VERY high praises for Gordon calling him Mitch Richmond
--Eric Gordon is 19 and a huge future building block who also has the ability to impact now as a scorer

Offering a future second round pick is light years away from offering the lottery pick you are high on that you just signed and told all of your fans that he looks like Mitch Richmond.

Zach Randolph is a player they could fit for free for two years IF we take back mobley and Thomas[maybe we have a deal to release them so the Clippers can get them back in a month] and that probably fits well with a cheap owner. Now the Clippers are taking on that last year--that would be a HUGE HUGE asset for the Knicks--forget talent for talent trade--that goes a LONG way to securing a path to FA in 2010--can we possibly get a future restricted 1--I think its possible--I think thats something that can be negotiated out but Eric Gordon is a fantasy made up by ignorant sportswriters who have no clue.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-13-2008 12:27 AM]

Briggs you have no clue what is going on. You wanted to buyout Randolph in the first place thinking he had no value and now that you find out he has value you are trying to lower his worth. Gordon will be in the deal and it will happen. What you thought to have no value has a lot of value maybe not to Knicks fans but to NBA teams Zach is very much in demand. Zach demands a lottery pick and cap space in return thats how good Zach is.
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7/13/2008  12:43 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Please stop already with the 20 and 10 player bull****. And Marbury is a damn 18 and 8 player. What does that make him? Untradeable? Superstar? Look beyond stats for a second and see what Zach does and his reputation. The guy is basically worthless with that contract.


20-10 player thats right he is what he is a 20-10 player. This guy played for a piss poor organization, coach and he managed to be decent. Forget stats, what do you think the clippers are looking at his stats. When was Zach ever untradeable in your eyes maybe but offers are rolling in for Zach. This is not about Marbury its about Zach.
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7/13/2008  12:49 AM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by GKFv2:

Please stop already with the 20 and 10 player bull****. And Marbury is a damn 18 and 8 player. What does that make him? Untradeable? Superstar? Look beyond stats for a second and see what Zach does and his reputation. The guy is basically worthless with that contract.


20-10 player thats right he is what he is a 20-10 player. This guy played for a piss poor organization, coach and he managed to be decent. Forget stats, what do you think the clippers are looking at his stats. When was Zach ever untradeable in your eyes maybe but offers are rolling in for Zach. This is not about Marbury its about Zach.

First off, please use correct grammar or it looks like a huge run-on sentence half the time.

Second, offers are rolling for Zach? LOL. Who are you? Donnie Walsh?

Third, we got Zach last year for Steve f'n Francis and Channing Frye in a year which he did statistically better than he did this previous season. On a 23 win team, his value only went lower. I'm not sure why you think Zach Randolph is valuable but nobody is looking to take on $48 million over 3 years for a black hole cancer.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 07-13-2008 12:55 AM]
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7/13/2008  1:21 AM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by GKFv2:

Please stop already with the 20 and 10 player bull****. And Marbury is a damn 18 and 8 player. What does that make him? Untradeable? Superstar? Look beyond stats for a second and see what Zach does and his reputation. The guy is basically worthless with that contract.


20-10 player thats right he is what he is a 20-10 player. This guy played for a piss poor organization, coach and he managed to be decent. Forget stats, what do you think the clippers are looking at his stats. When was Zach ever untradeable in your eyes maybe but offers are rolling in for Zach. This is not about Marbury its about Zach.

First off, please use correct grammar or it looks like a huge run-on sentence half the time.

Second, offers are rolling for Zach? LOL. Who are you? Donnie Walsh?

Third, we got Zach last year for Steve f'n Francis and Channing Frye in a year which he did statistically better than he did this previous season. On a 23 win team, his value only went lower. I'm not sure why you think Zach Randolph is valuable but nobody is looking to take on $48 million over 3 years for a black hole cancer.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 07-13-2008 12:55 AM]

GKF, you have pretty much made up your mind about Zach. You think he has no value because you despise his game. I'm not a big fan of his game too. But you cannot say he is worthless and a black hole. He has worth simply because you have the Clippers asking about him. Zach has been mentioned in trades with Detroit and Sixers. How true they were is a anyones guess. Donnie has said that they were getting offers for Zach's services, which leads me to believe that there are offers. Again how true they are is anyones guess. All I'm saying is don't sell what you have in Zach short. He is worth the cap space and Gordon. Walsh is holding out for Gordon and the Clippers aren't gonna get anyone. Okafor's contract offer will be matched as he fits what Larry Brown looks for in a pf. A contract for Josh Smith will get matched also. There is no way Hawks let a player like Smith go not after what they are building in Atlanta.

I think Walsh is playing it right, don't take the first offer to come along. Wait the clippers out and see if they don't change their tune. The pressure to win now for the clippers will make them pull the trigger on the deal.
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7/13/2008  1:28 AM
The Clippers never had any pressure to win now. They've made the playoffs 3 times in 22 years.

As for Zach Randolph, I can tell you that if a team offered to take on that gargantuan contract for nothing I would give it to them and let them deal with the problem. Zach Randolph is the only guy hindering our 2010 free agency plan. To get rid of his deal for nothing would be a steal.
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7/13/2008  1:31 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

The Clippers never had any pressure to win now. They've made the playoffs 3 times in 22 years.

As for Zach Randolph, I can tell you that if a team offered to take on that gargantuan contract for nothing I would give it to them and let them deal with the problem. Zach Randolph is the only guy hindering our 2010 free agency plan. To get rid of his deal for nothing would be a steal.

Walsh is confident that he will get rid of the contract. Why not get something back in return.

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