Posted by islesfan:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by EnySpree:

Spurs beat the suns by out playing them @ their own game....along with defense. Spurs can score with the best and they proved that year in and out. They defend better than anyone too so there you go....

If D'antoni is hire will you be the new islesfan holding on the the "fire d'antoni" thread for 4 years?

First of all, there will never be another islesfan.

Secondly, you can't just give the Suns and D'Antoni a pass for losing to the Spurs. In 2005 and 2007, the Suns had home court advantage and they won a total of 3 games in those series. In 2006 the Suns never had to face the Spurs but couldn't get past the Mavs. The Mavs were able to get past the supposedly unbeatable Spurs that year.

The Suns were an elite team under D'Antoni so you guys can spin it anyway you want but thats a fact.

An elite regular season team that continually underachieves in the postseason. That's a fact.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by GKFv2:

Defense wins championships. End of story.

since you seem to know so much about Mike D and his 'style' tell me this:

If you hired to coach the Suns who have Q, Nash, Amare, Marion, etc do you tell them to slow and down, grind it out and focus on defense because that wins championships? Or do you actually look at who is on the floor and decide how best to win games with those players?

Do tell GK.. since you are so quick to judge a guy thats done nothing but win with 3 guards a 6'8 PF and a 6'10 center in a conference dominated by size what would you do?

You guys crack me up. Cant see the forest through the trees... dudes a good coach.

An elite regular season team that continually underachieves in the postseason. That's a fact.

Posted by GKFv2:

Apparently the Spurs are the Gods of basketball. If the Suns were as good as you say they were, they would have beaten them. The Spurs just used their defense to win and outsmarted the Suns. Now you see a team that plays up-tempo but also defends(good, not great) that is beating the Spurs in the Hornets.

But yeah, I'll stop talking about this.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by GKFv2:

Defense wins championships. End of story.

since you seem to know so much about Mike D and his 'style' tell me this:

If you hired to coach the Suns who have Q, Nash, Amare, Marion, etc do you tell them to slow and down, grind it out and focus on defense because that wins championships? Or do you actually look at who is on the floor and decide how best to win games with those players?

Do tell GK.. since you are so quick to judge a guy thats done nothing but win with 3 guards a 6'8 PF and a 6'10 center in a conference dominated by size what would you do?

You guys crack me up. Cant see the forest through the trees... dudes a good coach.

Posted by eViL:

So the anti-D'Antoni contingent here is against him for lack of defensive emphasis, but they are in support of hiring Mark Jackson??? As a player, did he ever play defense?? C'mon now...

Honestly, I'll take either coach, but I'm not gonna knock D'Antoni as if he's some bush league scrub with no knowledge of defense. His teams weren't that bad at D when you adjust the stats to account for the increased possessions his quick offense would generate. If anything his main problem in the playoffs was poor execution in the half-court game and that can be attributed to a lack of reliable post player. Shaq and Amare both pale in comparison to Duncan. A reliable low-post player goes a long way when the game slows down in the post-season. Who knows how good Zach could be for a team that was actually in contention? ( Did I just say that???)

The Mavs team that beat the Suns probably should have won a championship had the refs not given it straight up to Miami. The Spurs teams that beat the Suns did win the championship, no? No shame in competing with the elite teams in the league. People here act like a championship is the only measure of success. Fine, let's not overrate regular season success, but let's not underrate consistent championship contention.

D'Antoni has dealt with adversity pretty well too. Suns ownership has thrown away a lot of assets (Joe Johnson, numerous first round picks). He was also pretty successful in dealing with the loss of Amare one year (a lot of people gave the Suns no chance after that).
He's not a bad coach.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by GKFv2:

Defense wins championships. End of story.

since you seem to know so much about Mike D and his 'style' tell me this:

If you hired to coach the Suns who have Q, Nash, Amare, Marion, etc do you tell them to slow and down, grind it out and focus on defense because that wins championships? Or do you actually look at who is on the floor and decide how best to win games with those players?

Do tell GK.. since you are so quick to judge a guy thats done nothing but win with 3 guards a 6'8 PF and a 6'10 center in a conference dominated by size what would you do?

You guys crack me up. Cant see the forest through the trees... dudes a good coach.

exactly.. that point seems to get ignored...

Most here in this thread and all threads I've read give the guy credit for being a good offensive mind but the other aspect he's below average to poor. Now If some want to argue why hire a guy like Mark over a Proven Regular season game winning stud coach in D'Antoni, there's a legit case but really it more so about already seeing the results of D'Antoni Regular and Post vs giving someone like Jackson a chance to get his feet wet. No one will argue Jackson>>>>>>>D'Antoni coaching... but it terms of preference and our transition stage Jackson>>>>>>>>D'Antoni. Our fan base is proving yet again when the games aren't being played anymore and we approach another season itches at trying to get to post season almost at all cost instead of focusing all our desire towards an appropriate rebuild.

I dissagree, I think most of the fanbase is tired of taking chances, tired of losing and wants a real direction... D'antoni prensents a real direction, a real system, something fans can buy into. The last thing we need is another sam vincent.... I like jackson a lot and I will not be upset if he is hired.. I just think that D'antoni if anything can change the culture of this franchise, he along with donnie walsh.... If after 2 or 3 years, D'antoni establishes some sort of system with this team, doesn't matter if it is uptempo, slow down, or a mixture, just some sytem that works, and He has proven that he can do that, then the knicks will be better moving forward, even if he wants to leave after 3 years.... I mean do you fear hiring parcells because he may leave in 3 years? No, because he always leaves you in a better position than when he came, that is almost a guarantee.... The knicks need that. We have been suffering for 7 years now, why keep taking chances when you have someone, who is innovative and can change your teams philosophy day 1?

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by GKFv2:

Defense wins championships. End of story.

since you seem to know so much about Mike D and his 'style' tell me this:

If you hired to coach the Suns who have Q, Nash, Amare, Marion, etc do you tell them to slow and down, grind it out and focus on defense because that wins championships? Or do you actually look at who is on the floor and decide how best to win games with those players?

Do tell GK.. since you are so quick to judge a guy thats done nothing but win with 3 guards a 6'8 PF and a 6'10 center in a conference dominated by size what would you do?

You guys crack me up. Cant see the forest through the trees... dudes a good coach.

exactly.. that point seems to get ignored...

Most here in this thread and all threads I've read give the guy credit for being a good offensive mind but the other aspect he's below average to poor. Now If some want to argue why hire a guy like Mark over a Proven Regular season game winning stud coach in D'Antoni, there's a legit case but really it more so about already seeing the results of D'Antoni Regular and Post vs giving someone like Jackson a chance to get his feet wet. No one will argue Jackson>>>>>>>D'Antoni coaching... but it terms of preference and our transition stage Jackson>>>>>>>>D'Antoni. Our fan base is proving yet again when the games aren't being played anymore and we approach another season itches at trying to get to post season almost at all cost instead of focusing all our desire towards an appropriate rebuild.

I dissagree, I think most of the fanbase is tired of taking chances, tired of losing and wants a real direction... D'antoni prensents a real direction, a real system, something fans can buy into. The last thing we need is another sam vincent.... I like jackson a lot and I will not be upset if he is hired.. I just think that D'antoni if anything can change the culture of this franchise, he along with donnie walsh.... If after 2 or 3 years, D'antoni establishes some sort of system with this team, doesn't matter if it is uptempo, slow down, or a mixture, just some sytem that works, and He has proven that he can do that, then the knicks will be better moving forward, even if he wants to leave after 3 years.... I mean do you fear hiring parcells because he may leave in 3 years? No, because he always leaves you in a better position than when he came, that is almost a guarantee.... The knicks need that. We have been suffering for 7 years now, why keep taking chances when you have someone, who is innovative and can change your teams philosophy day 1?

WTH are you talking about? We've been hiring the past 4 yrs proven, sure thing, HOF, complete resume for the job coaches and have failed historically. Didn't we buy into Larry, Lenny, and I SAY UGH? 2 of those coaches have won more games than you can shake a stick at and have won on the highest levels. How did we fair there? If anything we need to take a chance on a safe hire such as Mark, if we're truly rebuilding. Now if we're trying re-tool well it would make sense hiring a more credible coach, or if we're trying to win while rebuilding on the fly so-to-speak.




[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-09-2008 09:52 AM]