Posted by BlueSeats:

If there is one thing we don't need a search feature for on this site it's to see how optimistic a poster was about the Knicks heading into the 2005-06 season. Just look at their feeling on Brown. The more you believed in Isiah and Steph, the more you hate Larry Brown today. The more you defend Brown today, the more you saw the dysfunction in the organization at the time.

I don't know why Brown's "character" is even a topic of debate. We know he's got a reputation for drama - he did long before coming here. But you don't fly the owner out to meet him, make videos of him raising championship banners to the rafters, bring Knicks paraphenalia to his kids, bring the best public and private school reports to his wife, etc, and offer him the biggest coaching contract in history, if what you want is a personable "yes man". Hire Herb for that, or leave Chaney in place without humiliating him.

You bring in Brown to turn things around, and he does this for you whether you like him or not. That is just what he does... EVERYWHERE... but here.

What the Brown bashers have never quite accepted is that the reason he couldn't succeed here wasn't because Brown is "not a nice man," it's because others in this organization wanted him to be something other than he was. They courted and wood him because he's Larry Brown, but then they wanted him to coach politely, like Herb Williams.

It just didn't make sense from the start.

Didn't matter if it were Larry, Phil, Popavich or Riley; so long as Dolan, Isiah and Marbury where allowed to put their egos ahead of the franchise, and in the way of the coach, progress could not be made.

The proper choice at the time would have been Herb. But now, with new management, many more options are viable.

[Edited by - blueseats on 05-02-2008 2:08 PM]

Is it really that black and white? Please! So because I'm not a Brown fan does that automatically makes me an Isiah/Marb fan? It seems as if one has to have a agenda on this board. With or against. Yay or Nay. I'm a Knick fan first. Brown, Marb and Isiah all had hands in the tearing down this franchise, particularly during the 05-06 season. Yes, Marb and Isiah have done more damage over more years, but some here seem to want to exonerate Brown or that his hand was forced.

Or somehow he's this mastermind that plotted a scheme that included 40+ lineup changes, ingeniously lost games on purpose, devised a fake health issue, and begged and pleaded for Francis and Rose to join this team all for the sake of exposing the horrid team of odd parts Isiah had assembled.

All I ask is an admission that Brown, Isiah and Dolan met somewhere in the middle in destroying this teams season in 05-06.


[Edited by - uptown on 05-02-2008 4:35 PM]

[Edited by - uptown on 05-04-2008 5:06 PM]

Posted by Bobby:

btw, the only way brown may have a chance of winning is on may 3........now go figure

.......like i was saying, your run for the roses winner is big brown, i was not talking about larry loser. too bad ya missed out.

sorry to see filly eight belles was put down, broke both ankles. this has to be the most severe injuries witnessed in any derby ran to date.

you still have a chance at the pimlico....yo

All in all, I'm very happy Brown is coaching again and I look forward to him redeeming himself and showing what truly a horrible mistake dolan made.

Brown is given the chance and isiah is sent to the corner! I just couldn't think of anything better! Just ****'n awesome!! isiah's gotta be kicking himself in the ass wondering how the hell did this happen to such a genius like himself?

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by 4949:

All in all, I'm very happy Brown is coaching again and I look forward to him redeeming himself and showing what truly a horrible mistake dolan made.

Brown is given the chance and isiah is sent to the corner! I just couldn't think of anything better! Just ****'n awesome!! isiah's gotta be kicking himself in the ass wondering how the hell did this happen to such a genius like himself?

Are we Knick Fans or Larry Brown fans? Why should I care if he redeems himself with the Bobcats? Coaches come and go. When they are here, I root for the blue and orange. When they are gone, there job is tp help the other team beat us. I certainly didn't root for Van Gundy, or Riley's heat. Why this need to root for Brown is beyond me.

Oh' put your blue and orange away. We suck and their more established.

Go Larry Brown!!!
Go Pat Riley!!!
Go Jeff Van Gundy!!!
Go Larry Brown!!!
Go Pat Riley!!!
Go Jeff Van Gundy!!!
Go Larry Brown!!!
Go Pat Riley!!!
Go Jeff Van Gundy!!!

These guys showed more roots elsewhere then they ever did in NY. Good for them. With the exception of Brown (because he never got a chance) Riley and Van Gundy have won more games for the Knicks (now known as the Chicks) then dumb little isiah could ever even dream of!

Posted by BlueSeats:

Here's the deal.

Larry Brown, with all his personality flaws, could have gone to any number of other teams and succeeded.

At the same time, any number of the best coaches in the league (Riley, PJ, Papa) could have come here and been similarly embroiled in head games, power struggles and failure, because that's been the culture here since Dolan took over and Riley faxed in his resignation.

Brown did a bad job here because he couldn't keep his head above the sh t, but he's not what created the sh t.

You conveniently forgot to mention suckbury's involvement in Brown's dismissal. Everywhere that punk has gone to, disaster has struck. His boy isiah was supposed to be his respected man and now we find out that suck has the goods on him. He said it in his own words. Putting suck and Brown together was one more disastrous move that pin head made and can add to his lousy resume.

Brown's gonna show everyone just how good a coach he would have been, if he was allowed to coach this team. And don't anyone deny it, because you know very well that the media, isiah and dolan himself came down on Brown and shoved him out! Brown's gonna get the last laugh. How can any of you approve of the way things have been run round here? Rediculous!

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Here's the deal.

Larry Brown, with all his personality flaws, could have gone to any number of other teams and succeeded.

At the same time, any number of the best coaches in the league (Riley, PJ, Papa) could have come here and been similarly embroiled in head games, power struggles and failure, because that's been the culture here since Dolan took over and Riley faxed in his resignation.

Brown did a bad job here because he couldn't keep his head above the sh t, but he's not what created the sh t.

You conveniently forgot to mention suckbury's involvement in Brown's dismissal. Everywhere that punk has gone to, disaster has struck. His boy isiah was supposed to be his respected man and now we find out that suck has the goods on him. He said it in his own words. Putting suck and Brown together was one more disastrous move that pin head made and can add to his lousy resume.

Brown's gonna show everyone just how good a coach he would have been, if he was allowed to coach this team. And don't anyone deny it, because you know very well that the media, isiah and dolan himself came down on Brown and shoved him out! Brown's gonna get the last laugh. How can any of you approve of the way things have been run round here? Rediculous!

Dude, if you think I support Marbury or the way things have been run around here it's clear you not only don't read the names attached to posts, but you don't even read the posts you quote.

This happens a lot with you. I always have the sense you have no understanding of the views of the person you are speaking with.

[Edited by - blueseats on 05-04-2008 5:20 PM]

It has been said that up to 70% of all Internet conversation is misunderstood, so it wouldn't surprise me if I did misunderstand you and you vice versa. Look at this board. How rare is it that any of us have a normal conversation?

It's not a big deal, but even though you've been here two years and have made nearly 6,000 posts, the way you respond to people often seems as if it's your first day here.

Do you happen to suffer from short term memory loss?



[Edited by - blueseats on 05-04-2008 10:00 PM]

Posted by 4949:


Funny you would ask that question. I do indeed suffer from residue left over from a bad upbringing and have had to seek council to help me sort those things out. So it's anger that you's deal with sometimes. I should apologize for that. Besides, one can get a little overwhelmed with TMI so excuse my misunderstandings at times.

No harm, no foul.

Keep on Truckin'