Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

I'm trying to figure out who claimed that Marcus Williams would threaten to be an all star? Personlly, I'm just pointing out that Williams, after being hurt and then buried behind Kidd, he's showing flashes of what he's capable of with solid playing time.

If Williams can be a starter on a bad team, what does it say about Balkman and Collins that they can barely get minutes on a bad team?

it says we have an idiot for a head coach who has his own personal agendas when figuring out rotations & guys that deserve to be starting on this team aren't... you of all people should recogize this.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

I'm trying to figure out who claimed that Marcus Williams would threaten to be an all star? Personlly, I'm just pointing out that Williams, after being hurt and then buried behind Kidd, he's showing flashes of what he's capable of with solid playing time.

If Williams can be a starter on a bad team, what does it say about Balkman and Collins that they can barely get minutes on a bad team?

it says we have an idiot for a head coach who has his own personal agendas when figuring out rotations & guys that deserve to be starting on this team aren't... you of all people should recogize this.

You think Balkman and Collins are starters in this league?

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by TMS:

Bip, i'm not trying to say I told you so about M Will cuz he hasn't done jack in this league, same as Balk... neither have really proven they're better than the other AFAIC... in my eyes it's pretty much a wash... we got what we needed at the time which was an athletic SF, that's good enough for me.

as for there only being 4 or 5 guys who fall under that description, i gotta disagree w/u on that too bro... i think the predominant trend of late has been to be very critical about our players no matter if they have a good game or not... losing games will do that to a fanbase, that much i can understand, & i'm definitely not one to say i haven't been critical of my share of players on this team either, but when guys start pointing out good games that players on other teams are having while downplaying very similar games our guys have, it just strikes me as odd... just MHO.

Oh yeah, I never said this but I agree with TMS in this thread. I think people on this board under rate our players and over rate other team's players, when players on other teams put up the same numbers that players on our team have before. I guess i never said it, because I just never really got in on this argument.

The problem is the last time a Knick put up 8-7-13 was probably Marc Jackson:) I don't think people on this board under-rate our players the problem is our players arent very good

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

I'm trying to figure out who claimed that Marcus Williams would threaten to be an all star? Personlly, I'm just pointing out that Williams, after being hurt and then buried behind Kidd, he's showing flashes of what he's capable of with solid playing time.

If Williams can be a starter on a bad team, what does it say about Balkman and Collins that they can barely get minutes on a bad team?

it says we have an idiot for a head coach who has his own personal agendas when figuring out rotations & guys that deserve to be starting on this team aren't... you of all people should recogize this.

You think Balkman and Collins are starters in this league?

Balk has put up multiple double digit rebound games off the bench for us & has been an igniter on the fastbreak... i'd like to see him starting games on this team, yes... certainly over Q Rich who hasn't done anything all year to show he's worthy of the minutes he's getting... certainly over Jared Jefferies or Chandler... yes, i think he's a starter in this league, cuz right now he's our best option at the SF position, the same way Marcus Williams is getting minutes right now on the Nets.

Collins i don't see as a starter, but i think he should be getting minutes over Fred Jones... last year he showed he's got the talent to compete at this level... i'd like to have seen that developed on this year, but in true Isiah-esque fashion, he completely reverses his course & creates a new "plan" on the fly to win games that's driven by his own personal agendas & the payroll, which to me is the most maddening thing of all.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

I'm trying to figure out who claimed that Marcus Williams would threaten to be an all star? Personlly, I'm just pointing out that Williams, after being hurt and then buried behind Kidd, he's showing flashes of what he's capable of with solid playing time.

If Williams can be a starter on a bad team, what does it say about Balkman and Collins that they can barely get minutes on a bad team?

it says we have an idiot for a head coach who has his own personal agendas when figuring out rotations & guys that deserve to be starting on this team aren't... you of all people should recogize this.

You think Balkman and Collins are starters in this league?

Balk has put up multiple double digit rebound games off the bench for us & has been an igniter on the fastbreak... i'd like to see him starting games on this team, yes... certainly over Q Rich who hasn't done anything all year to show he's worthy of the minutes he's getting... certainly over Jared Jefferies or Chandler... yes, i think he's a starter in this league, cuz right now he's our best option at the SF position, the same way Marcus Williams is getting minutes right now on the Nets.

Collins i don't see as a starter, but i think he should be getting minutes over Fred Jones... last year he showed he's got the talent to compete at this level... i'd like to have seen that developed on this year, but in true Isiah-esque fashion, he completely reverses his course & creates a new "plan" on the fly to win games that's driven by his own personal agendas & the payroll, which to me is the most maddening thing of all.

So you think Balkman is a starter in the NBA because you don't think the Knicks have any other options? That doesn't make someone a starter in this league. And Marcus Williams isn't a starter in this league, yet. But he's a hell of a lot closer than Balkman is. When I say "starter", I don't mean someone who happens to start a couple of games based on circumstance, like "Well everyone else sucks so might as well start him".

Mardy Collins is nothing. He'll be out of the NBA after next year. That's not a biased opinion, that's based on what he's shown, which isn't much.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by Marv:

he had some great games near seasons’ end last year.

why no carryover? is he hurt? bad attitude? lost his abilities? typical isiah the incompetent move?

It's the toxic atmosphere at the Garden. It should be declared a Superfund Site.

I don't know if it can ever be fully decontaminated, but I hope someone tries someday.

Isiah's as arrogant as he is incompetent... he thinks every move & roster decision he makes is the right one, regardless of the obvious results that are staring him right in the face... who cares about developing our young guys after they show some signs of worth when we got overpaid overrated veterans on the roster who want their minutes?

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

I'm trying to figure out who claimed that Marcus Williams would threaten to be an all star? Personlly, I'm just pointing out that Williams, after being hurt and then buried behind Kidd, he's showing flashes of what he's capable of with solid playing time.

If Williams can be a starter on a bad team, what does it say about Balkman and Collins that they can barely get minutes on a bad team?

it says we have an idiot for a head coach who has his own personal agendas when figuring out rotations & guys that deserve to be starting on this team aren't... you of all people should recogize this.

You think Balkman and Collins are starters in this league?

Balk has put up multiple double digit rebound games off the bench for us & has been an igniter on the fastbreak... i'd like to see him starting games on this team, yes... certainly over Q Rich who hasn't done anything all year to show he's worthy of the minutes he's getting... certainly over Jared Jefferies or Chandler... yes, i think he's a starter in this league, cuz right now he's our best option at the SF position, the same way Marcus Williams is getting minutes right now on the Nets.

Collins i don't see as a starter, but i think he should be getting minutes over Fred Jones... last year he showed he's got the talent to compete at this level... i'd like to have seen that developed on this year, but in true Isiah-esque fashion, he completely reverses his course & creates a new "plan" on the fly to win games that's driven by his own personal agendas & the payroll, which to me is the most maddening thing of all.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

I'm trying to figure out who claimed that Marcus Williams would threaten to be an all star? Personlly, I'm just pointing out that Williams, after being hurt and then buried behind Kidd, he's showing flashes of what he's capable of with solid playing time.

If Williams can be a starter on a bad team, what does it say about Balkman and Collins that they can barely get minutes on a bad team?

it says we have an idiot for a head coach who has his own personal agendas when figuring out rotations & guys that deserve to be starting on this team aren't... you of all people should recogize this.

You think Balkman and Collins are starters in this league?

Balk has put up multiple double digit rebound games off the bench for us & has been an igniter on the fastbreak... i'd like to see him starting games on this team, yes... certainly over Q Rich who hasn't done anything all year to show he's worthy of the minutes he's getting... certainly over Jared Jefferies or Chandler... yes, i think he's a starter in this league, cuz right now he's our best option at the SF position, the same way Marcus Williams is getting minutes right now on the Nets.

Collins i don't see as a starter, but i think he should be getting minutes over Fred Jones... last year he showed he's got the talent to compete at this level... i'd like to have seen that developed on this year, but in true Isiah-esque fashion, he completely reverses his course & creates a new "plan" on the fly to win games that's driven by his own personal agendas & the payroll, which to me is the most maddening thing of all.

So you think Balkman is a starter in the NBA because you don't think the Knicks have any other options? That doesn't make someone a starter in this league. And Marcus Williams isn't a starter in this league, yet. But he's a hell of a lot closer than Balkman is. When I say "starter", I don't mean someone who happens to start a couple of games based on circumstance, like "Well everyone else sucks so might as well start him".

Mardy Collins is nothing. He'll be out of the NBA after next year. That's not a biased opinion, that's based on what he's shown, which isn't much.

how is Marcus closer to being a starter than Balk? what's he shown that distinguishes himself? he doesn't play a lick of defense, he's not all that great of an orchestrator from what i've seen... he had a lot of assists the other night, but that doesn't make him a floor leader... both Jamal & Nate are better scorers than he is... can he grow into one? i'm sure he can... i'm sure Balk can grow into a very effective starter too if given the chance... Balk has put up some impressive statlines in the past too... so he's not starter material in your eyes yet Marcus is, someone who's only seeing starting minutes right now cuz their team has no other better options... this is what i don't get.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-24-2008 2:47 PM]