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islesfan
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2/5/2008  2:00 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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how isn't he even close?

he led the league in ERA last season & helped the Tribe eliminate us in the ALDS last year, won the Cy Young, a year younger than Johan at 27 years old & throws GAS from the left side w/a nasty slider... he's a Randy Johnson style pitcher & can dominate any postseason series the same way Johan can... that guy is a legit ace... he may not be the best pitcher in the game like Johan but he's right up there.

Sabathia's ERA has been from the low 3s to the low 4s (depending on the season). Johan's been from the mid 2s to low 3s and is arguably the best pitcher in baseball.

u gotta stop w/the doomsday mentality here... ur beginning to sound like a Mets fan... our team's gonna be fine going into the future.
You've been telling me that for the past 7 years. The Yankees will be a 90+ win team consistent--no doubt. But Boston is simply a better run franchise. They have an owner with a more stable plan (and who is more mentally stable) than any of the Steinbrenners.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-05-2008 1:40 PM]

Actually you're the one downgrading the Yankees for sticking to their stable plan of keeping their good, young and affordable pitchers instead of trading them for another player with a ridiculous contract. What you're promoting is the same thing that's been going on over the last 7 years. Add a high priced player at the expense of youth.
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2/5/2008  7:27 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:

how isn't he even close?

he led the league in ERA last season & helped the Tribe eliminate us in the ALDS last year, won the Cy Young, a year younger than Johan at 27 years old & throws GAS from the left side w/a slider... he's a Randy Johnson style pitcher & can te any postseason series the same way Johan can... that guy is a legit ace... he may not be the best pitcher in the game like Johan but he's right up there.

Sabathia's ERA has been from the low 3s to the low 4s (depending on the season). Johan's been from the mid 2s to low 3s and is arguably the best pitcher in baseball.

u gotta stop w/the doomsday mentality here... ur beginning to sound like a Mets fan... our team's gonna be fine going into the future.
You've been telling me that for the past 7 years. The Yankees will be a 90+ win team consistent--no doubt. But Boston is simply a better run franchise. They have an owner with a more stable plan (and who is more mentally stable) than any of the Steinbrenners.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-05-2008 1:40 PM]

Actually you're the one downgrading the Yankees for sticking to their stable plan of keeping their good, young and affordable pitchers instead of trading them for another player with a ridiculous contract. What you're promoting is the same thing that's been going on over the last 7 years. Add a high priced player at the expense of youth.
Sticking to their youth is their plan of month. What will it be in March? Your guess is as good as mine. If what I'm promoting is the same as what they've done in the past 7 years, then tell me when they picked up Cy Young winning pitches in their primes in the past 7 years. If you can't, then this deal would be nothing like anything they've done during those years. If anything, spending $300 mil on a big name 3rd baseman is the same as the Yankees of the past 7 years. Spending assets on a Cy Young Award pitcher in his prime instead of yet another big name hitter would have been a change from the past 7 years.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-05-2008 7:29 PM]
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2/6/2008  12:03 AM
tell me when they picked up Cy Young winning pitches in their primes in the past 7 years.

i just proposed how the Yankees would do just that next season w/o having to pay the high cost of giving up their promising youth to do it... relax & take a deep breath... the games haven't even been played yet & you're already pronouncing the Red Sox WS champs next season... our offense is still 1 of the best in the game, & we have some very promising young pitchers & positional players in our farm system that will ensure the stability of this franchise for the next several years... & like i pointed out to you in my earlier post, the Yankees will surely be in the bidding to get a Mark Texeira or CC Sabathia in the offseason, or if the situation warrants, perhaps a trade is made at the Allstar break... i have a hard time imagining the Braves or Indians would ask for the same package of talent the Twins did... & even if they do, you have to figure that the team won't jump into any such acquisitions while giving up their farm system based on how they dealt w/this Johan trade.

isles is right on the money here, the entire philosophy has reverted back to how the Yankee dynastic run was built to begin with, building up w/home grown talent out of the farm system & making smart free agent signings & intelligent trades to fill holes w/veterans... that's how we won all those championships in the late 90's... yes, there were also some awesome trades that were made for veterans like Coney, Paulie, Tino, Nellie, Knobs & Justice that all played a huge role in our success during that stretch, but none of them involved prospects on the level of a Hughes, Tabata or Jackson, which are basically the type of prospects the Twins were demanding from us.

take a look at how the dynasty was built to begin with:

- we held onto our core top prospects like Bernie, Mo, Jeter, Jorge & Pettitte, & signed guys like Jimmy Key as a free agent to fill the hole in our starting rotation, & while he was never considered the most dominant pitcher in the game the way Johan is, served us extremely well during his years in NY & helped us win our 1st championship in 18 years.

- we signed an international ace in El Duque out of Cuba, who ended up being the best postseason starting pitcher we've seen in a long, long time & is wearing 3 rings on his finger from his time here

- we signed Boomer Wells as a free agent & he helped us win a title in '98 on one of the best teams ever in the history of baseball that year

- then traded Boomer & some other veteran pitchers for the Rocket, who then helped us win 2 more rings in '99 & '00.

- we signed Scott Brosius out of OAK almost as an afterthought & he played a huge role in helping us win 3 consecutive championships as well.

Not one of these moves i just mentioned mortgaged our future core & we were able to maintain a dynasty that lasted longer than any in recent memory... who says history can't repeat itself? it seems to me the Yankees are on the right track as far as determining which talent to hold onto & which to let go... that's been what's vaulted them to past success over the franchise's history, & that's what will help them achieve success in the years to come.
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2/6/2008  7:22 PM
I took a deep breath like you recommended and didn't change my position.
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2/6/2008  9:28 PM
thanks for completely ignoring everything i just posted.
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2/6/2008  9:36 PM
Posted by TMS:

thanks for completely ignoring everything i just posted.

Sorry but I find it insulting when a poster implies that you just need to "relax" and then you'll see the light (i.e., agree with the poster).
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2/6/2008  9:45 PM
jeez, i wasn't trying to insult you... if u took offense it's my bad but i laid out plenty of salient points just now... try to consider the meat of the post & not just 1 word i may have used not to your liking.
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4/2/2008  9:26 AM
Posted by islesfan:
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Wow.

I'm really glad the Yankees stuck to their guns and kept Hughes and Kennedy.

I'm also glad the Red Sox didn't get him.

Exactly.

The Twins GM screwed himself by getting cute and acting like a tough guy. He totally overplayed his hand and turned down better offers from the Yankees and Red Sox. I bet Twins fans can't be too happy with this trade.

Good trade for the Mets. But they better win the World Series soon. They gave up what little they had on the farm and are going all in. Personally I don't think they're even the odds on favorites to win the NL East, the Phillies are right there with them, much less the NLCS.
the Mets didn't give anything up, they still have their best prospect that's one of the best prospects in all of baseball.

Yeah, but he's an outfielder. They don't have any pitching depth in their farm system now. You don't think that's giving up anything?

Want to make a bet that sometime in July or August, the Mets are struggling to find arms because of injuries to their starters?

Forget July or August, in the middle of the 2nd game of the season the Mets lack of pitching depth is already rearing it's ugly head. What retreads are the Mets looking to acquire after brittle Pedro blew his hammy?
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4/2/2008  1:40 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Forget July or August, in the middle of the 2nd game of the season the Mets lack of pitching depth is already rearing it's ugly head. What retreads are the Mets looking to acquire after brittle Pedro blew his hammy?


…the buzz from Miami suggests that Pedro Martinez’s injury may not be as bad as initially feared…still, i believe he may be put on the disabled list, for precautionary purposes.

During an appearance on ESPN 1050, Andrew Marchand said he sat next to Martinez on his flight back to New York.

According to Marchand, Martinez did not walk with a limp, and said he feels ‘fine,’ though he will not know if a trip to the disabled list is necessary until after this morning’s MRI.
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I don't expect him to be out long, maybe a month at most. For the first month of the season only 4 starters are really needed, but if necessary I'm sure Sosa can start a game or 2.
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