Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by nixluva:
In terms of his individual skills, you're going to win that argument, but I still believe that in a team concept you can take advantage of his presence inside with good perimeter players. He's a major problem for teams inside unless he's doubled. On a team with a real PG, SG and SF, that would help greatly to open up things for the other players. With a decent coach, he'd make use of that to run more motion and Curry could be in the middle of that. His girth would come in handy on screen and roll plays. He has great hands and a good PG would be able to draw defenders on those pick and rolls and then make the easy pass to Curry at pointblank range. He's completely capable of doing that.
I'd suggest that the team look for more than just strict post ups to involve Curry. Imagine a PG like Chris Paul or Deron on this team with a guy who can catch and finish like Curry. Don't just limit the discussion to his individual stats. Think team concept. With him many times when he passes the ball back out, the guards often don't take the shot, so he can't get an assist. There aren't many plays where our guards feed the post and make an effective cut or even have Lee or Jared make a back cut to the hole so Curry can make an easy short pass. The thing is that there has to be a scheme in place for that. He's not a great passer so why make it harder for him? Have the other players present themselves for the pass so that he can see them. Too often the other players on the team aren't moving into his vision at all.
What i'm saying is don't just blame him for everything. There's more to it than that. Help D and rebounding you can get on him for, but many other things involve the scheme and the team as well.
Nix, I actually agree with you 100% I made a post a page ago about the same thing, but not as in depth as yours.
I don't like what we gave up to get Curry, but if surrounded by the right players (a PG to get him the ball, 3pt shooting and a defensive PF) then Curry is a VERY good player. No one is calling Curry a franchise player, because he's not, but he can be a good piece to a puzzle.
With all that said, Curry needs to lose some weight and I think he would if he was on a team other than the Knicks. I think Curry would be in pretty solid shape if he was on the Celtics surrounded by veterans who would get on him about him staying on the floor.
Nix, nyk, you guys are making incredible excuses for Eddy Curry. Eddy is terrible passing out of the post -- he rarely bothers. Our guards absolutely stink, but Eddy rarely makes a pass out of the post to start with. The reason for his poor assist total isn't our guards; it's the fact that Eddy is a black hole. If it was our guards, Zach's assists would be way down too and they aren't. As for surrounding the right players around him on offense, I agree you could find a mix that would give some success -- but he'd still suck on defense. You have to make a lot of concessions to find the right team where Eddy Curry would play a positive role in the one element he has excelled at. That fact alone makes Eddy a very bad player. It's nice to name situations where Curry might excel, but none of these are likely to happen in NY, so it's time to cut ties -- take out the garbage.
The theory that we need to remake half of the team again in the vision that surrounding Curry with the right players might get us to .500 is crazy to me. I don't see anyone discussing how we can effectively build around other garbage players like Malik Rose.
[Edited by - Solace on Jan 09 2008 07:36 AM]Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
1/9/2008 10:09 AM
