Nix, for him to even make that distinction is pointless and is damaging to women. It shows a severe double standard. Why make the distinction?

The only argument here is that some people agree with Zeke's assessment. Which holds me in serious doubt of their character, just as I have serious doubts about Zeke's character.

Posted by Solace:

Nix, for him to even make that distinction is pointless and is damaging to women. It shows a severe double standard. Why make the distinction?

The only argument here is that some people agree with Zeke's assessment. Which holds me in serious doubt of their character, just as I have serious doubts about Zeke's character.

All I can tell you is that there is still a LARGE segment of the population that remembers the dark days of race relations in this country. My Great Grandmother died a few years ago and she was 97. My Grandmother is still alive and my mom and dad. My wife's grandmother is 91 and she's not the only one still around from her generation. In terms of the racial overtones they would most certainly understand that aspect of what isiah was voicing. Isiah and myself are from the same generation and even we clearly remember those days. I remember back in the 70's when I would visit my family back in the South where the family is based from, it was VERY much still like the 60's there. My religious congregation in Georgia wasn't allowed to be integrated until 1978. That was the LOCAL law, which like much of the country where Jim Crow Laws were still in effect. I remember the Klan marching thru the streets in my family hometown of Benson North Carolina and they're still controlling the town now. Don't think that things are all equal now, just because in some part of the country things are indeed better and don't think attitudes have changed and the past forgotten in people's minds, so that people don't still have the deep rooted scars from racial injustice.

I know exactly what Isiah was talking about, tho I wish he had done like we used to always do and "not talk about it". We would just have an understanding of the differences but would never say such a thing to people outside of the Black community. Solace I don't know your race or age, but what i'm saying to you is a fact of life.

Nalod you have to watch what kind of pics you post in threads seriously people are at work come on Man!

Posted by martin:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Nalod you have to watch what kind of pics you post in threads seriously people are at work come on Man!

you can turn pics off for your work computer.

That's right I forgot about the added feature thank you.

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Blue here's what Jeff Nix had to say middle of page


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-isiah092107&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

That was until sometime after Jan. 1, when Nix was deposed by lawyers probing Browne Sanders' claims that Thomas had berated her and later made inappropriate passes at her. As he did then and again in federal court this week, Nix testified to witnessing Thomas hugging Browne Sanders in a Garden hallway in February of 2004, and her pushing away. When Nix asked her what happened, he testified, she told him that Thomas said he was in love with her and that their contentious relationship reminded Thomas of the characters in the movie "Love and Basketball."

What's more, Browne Sanders told Nix at the time that Thomas called her a "(expletive) bitch, and a "(expletive) ho," after reporting to Thomas that another Knicks executive, Frank Murphy, had called her a "bitch."

Nix had nothing to gain by backing Browne Sanders, except perhaps a clear conscience and a sober stare in the mirror every morning.

And to lose? Between those depositions in January and the trial this week, Nix was dismissed of his duties as director of scouting.

In Nix's mind, telling the truth would cost him a $250,000-a-year job.

Nix wants this nightmare behind him and wouldn't be interviewed for this column, but a close friend of his in basketball said, "The moment Jeff told what he knew in the depositions, he understood he was finished at the Garden. He knew they would get rid of him, and they did.

"But he also knew that he couldn't live with himself if he didn't tell the truth."

Wait a minute you mean Jeff Nix never actually HEARD Isiah Thomas offensively speak to Anucha? He was just repeating what Anucha told him Isiah said. I truthfully did not know which way to side on this one for a very long time. But now it looks very obvious what happened here... to me anyway.

What are you getting at? Jeff Nix is the only one involved with this that had absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose, which he did. He was fired shortly after his deposition.

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Blue here's what Jeff Nix had to say middle of page


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-isiah092107&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

That was until sometime after Jan. 1, when Nix was deposed by lawyers probing Browne Sanders' claims that Thomas had berated her and later made inappropriate passes at her. As he did then and again in federal court this week, Nix testified to witnessing Thomas hugging Browne Sanders in a Garden hallway in February of 2004, and her pushing away. When Nix asked her what happened, he testified, she told him that Thomas said he was in love with her and that their contentious relationship reminded Thomas of the characters in the movie "Love and Basketball."

What's more, Browne Sanders told Nix at the time that Thomas called her a "(expletive) bitch, and a "(expletive) ho," after reporting to Thomas that another Knicks executive, Frank Murphy, had called her a "bitch."

Nix had nothing to gain by backing Browne Sanders, except perhaps a clear conscience and a sober stare in the mirror every morning.

And to lose? Between those depositions in January and the trial this week, Nix was dismissed of his duties as director of scouting.

In Nix's mind, telling the truth would cost him a $250,000-a-year job.

Nix wants this nightmare behind him and wouldn't be interviewed for this column, but a close friend of his in basketball said, "The moment Jeff told what he knew in the depositions, he understood he was finished at the Garden. He knew they would get rid of him, and they did.

"But he also knew that he couldn't live with himself if he didn't tell the truth."

Wait a minute you mean Jeff Nix never actually HEARD Isiah Thomas offensively speak to Anucha? He was just repeating what Anucha told him Isiah said. I truthfully did not know which way to side on this one for a very long time. But now it looks very obvious what happened here... to me anyway.

What are you getting at? Jeff Nix is the only one involved with this that had absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose, which he did. He was fired shortly after his deposition.

What am I getting at? Wow I guess it is only obvious to me.

Yeah, what are you getting at? Nix witnesses Isiah hugging Anucha and Anucha pushing him away as if it were an unwanted and inappropriate gesture on Isiah's part.

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Blue here's what Jeff Nix had to say middle of page


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-isiah092107&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

That was until sometime after Jan. 1, when Nix was deposed by lawyers probing Browne Sanders' claims that Thomas had berated her and later made inappropriate passes at her. As he did then and again in federal court this week, Nix testified to witnessing Thomas hugging Browne Sanders in a Garden hallway in February of 2004, and her pushing away. When Nix asked her what happened, he testified, she told him that Thomas said he was in love with her and that their contentious relationship reminded Thomas of the characters in the movie "Love and Basketball."

What's more, Browne Sanders told Nix at the time that Thomas called her a "(expletive) bitch, and a "(expletive) ho," after reporting to Thomas that another Knicks executive, Frank Murphy, had called her a "bitch."

Nix had nothing to gain by backing Browne Sanders, except perhaps a clear conscience and a sober stare in the mirror every morning.

And to lose? Between those depositions in January and the trial this week, Nix was dismissed of his duties as director of scouting.

In Nix's mind, telling the truth would cost him a $250,000-a-year job.

Nix wants this nightmare behind him and wouldn't be interviewed for this column, but a close friend of his in basketball said, "The moment Jeff told what he knew in the depositions, he understood he was finished at the Garden. He knew they would get rid of him, and they did.

"But he also knew that he couldn't live with himself if he didn't tell the truth."

Wait a minute you mean Jeff Nix never actually HEARD Isiah Thomas offensively speak to Anucha? He was just repeating what Anucha told him Isiah said. I truthfully did not know which way to side on this one for a very long time. But now it looks very obvious what happened here... to me anyway.

What are you getting at? Jeff Nix is the only one involved with this that had absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose, which he did. He was fired shortly after his deposition.

What am I getting at? Wow I guess it is only obvious to me.

Yeah, what are you getting at? Nix witnesses Isiah hugging Anucha and Anucha pushing him away as if it were an unwanted and inappropriate gesture on Isiah's part.

You missed the point completely bro.

No you did. Nix has probably seen more details with his own eyes and ears(even if he didn't see or hear the cursing personally) to gauge their working relationship than any other person within the organization and speaking on it not in I SAY UGH'S favor could only hurt his position. Basically you're saying Nix is lying for no reason at all.

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Blue here's what Jeff Nix had to say middle of page


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-isiah092107&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

That was until sometime after Jan. 1, when Nix was deposed by lawyers probing Browne Sanders' claims that Thomas had berated her and later made inappropriate passes at her. As he did then and again in federal court this week, Nix testified to witnessing Thomas hugging Browne Sanders in a Garden hallway in February of 2004, and her pushing away. When Nix asked her what happened, he testified, she told him that Thomas said he was in love with her and that their contentious relationship reminded Thomas of the characters in the movie "Love and Basketball."

What's more, Browne Sanders told Nix at the time that Thomas called her a "(expletive) bitch, and a "(expletive) ho," after reporting to Thomas that another Knicks executive, Frank Murphy, had called her a "bitch."

Nix had nothing to gain by backing Browne Sanders, except perhaps a clear conscience and a sober stare in the mirror every morning.

And to lose? Between those depositions in January and the trial this week, Nix was dismissed of his duties as director of scouting.

In Nix's mind, telling the truth would cost him a $250,000-a-year job.

Nix wants this nightmare behind him and wouldn't be interviewed for this column, but a close friend of his in basketball said, "The moment Jeff told what he knew in the depositions, he understood he was finished at the Garden. He knew they would get rid of him, and they did.

"But he also knew that he couldn't live with himself if he didn't tell the truth."

Wait a minute you mean Jeff Nix never actually HEARD Isiah Thomas offensively speak to Anucha? He was just repeating what Anucha told him Isiah said. I truthfully did not know which way to side on this one for a very long time. But now it looks very obvious what happened here... to me anyway.

What are you getting at? Jeff Nix is the only one involved with this that had absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose, which he did. He was fired shortly after his deposition.

What am I getting at? Wow I guess it is only obvious to me.

Yeah, what are you getting at? Nix witnesses Isiah hugging Anucha and Anucha pushing him away as if it were an unwanted and inappropriate gesture on Isiah's part.

You missed the point completely bro.

No you did. Nix has probably seen more details with his own eyes and ears(even if he didn't see or hear the cursing personally) to gauge their working relationship than any other person within the organization and speaking on it not in I SAY UGH'S favor could only hurt his position. Basically you're saying Nix is lying for no reason at all.

No Im not saying Nix is lying, stop putting words in my mouth. Not only did you miss the point but now you seem to be way off base. If you cant pick up on subtleties than that is your problem.

Believe me I would love to explain everything out for you in big "Playskool" letters but frankly Ive completely lost interest in this topic. I check in here to talk about basketball, not to explain simple stupid subject matter to you. Now go figure it out for yourself.

You were asked a least 2 times to explain yourself and failed to do so. Therefore it's my responsibility to bridge the gaps.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 10-29-2007 12:58 PM]

Posted by Solace:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Solace:

Nix, for him to even make that distinction is pointless and is damaging to women. It shows a severe double standard. Why make the distinction?

The only argument here is that some people agree with Zeke's assessment. Which holds me in serious doubt of their character, just as I have serious doubts about Zeke's character.

All I can tell you is that there is still a LARGE segment of the population that remembers the dark days of race relations in this country. My Great Grandmother died a few years ago and she was 97. My Grandmother is still alive and my mom and dad. My wife's grandmother is 91 and she's not the only one still around from her generation. In terms of the racial overtones they would most certainly understand that aspect of what isiah was voicing. Isiah and myself are from the same generation and even we clearly remember those days. I remember back in the 70's when I would visit my family back in the South where the family is based from, it was VERY much still like the 60's there. My religious congregation in Georgia wasn't allowed to be integrated until 1978. That was the LOCAL law, which like much of the country where Jim Crow Laws were still in effect. I remember the Klan marching thru the streets in my family hometown of Benson North Carolina and they're still controlling the town now. Don't think that things are all equal now, just because in some part of the country things are indeed better and don't think attitudes have changed and the past forgotten in people's minds, so that people don't still have the deep rooted scars from racial injustice.

I know exactly what Isiah was talking about, tho I wish he had done like we used to always do and "not talk about it". We would just have an understanding of the differences but would never say such a thing to people outside of the Black community. Solace I don't know your race or age, but what i'm saying to you is a fact of life.

You guys seriously need to stop with the white guys can never understand, blah blah blah... stuff. We're not talking about something that went on behind closed doors with two people in their personal life. There is certain etiquette that is universal in US culture. To violate this and use race as an excuse is purely lame. As for the rest of what you wrote, it had nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Solace this is in harmony with the blowout loss in Pre-Season to the Celtics and the back-to-back excuse.

Posted by Solace:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Solace:

Nix, for him to even make that distinction is pointless and is damaging to women. It shows a severe double standard. Why make the distinction?

The only argument here is that some people agree with Zeke's assessment. Which holds me in serious doubt of their character, just as I have serious doubts about Zeke's character.

All I can tell you is that there is still a LARGE segment of the population that remembers the dark days of race relations in this country. My Great Grandmother died a few years ago and she was 97. My Grandmother is still alive and my mom and dad. My wife's grandmother is 91 and she's not the only one still around from her generation. In terms of the racial overtones they would most certainly understand that aspect of what isiah was voicing. Isiah and myself are from the same generation and even we clearly remember those days. I remember back in the 70's when I would visit my family back in the South where the family is based from, it was VERY much still like the 60's there. My religious congregation in Georgia wasn't allowed to be integrated until 1978. That was the LOCAL law, which like much of the country where Jim Crow Laws were still in effect. I remember the Klan marching thru the streets in my family hometown of Benson North Carolina and they're still controlling the town now. Don't think that things are all equal now, just because in some part of the country things are indeed better and don't think attitudes have changed and the past forgotten in people's minds, so that people don't still have the deep rooted scars from racial injustice.

I know exactly what Isiah was talking about, tho I wish he had done like we used to always do and "not talk about it". We would just have an understanding of the differences but would never say such a thing to people outside of the Black community. Solace I don't know your race or age, but what i'm saying to you is a fact of life.

You guys seriously need to stop with the white guys can never understand, blah blah blah... stuff. We're not talking about something that went on behind closed doors with two people in their personal life. There is certain etiquette that is universal in US culture. To violate this and use race as an excuse is purely lame. As for the rest of what you wrote, it had nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Let me tell you something about US culture, I was one of only 2 Black excutives in the history of my company and I can't tell you how many times I had to deal with racial prejudices. How often i'd appear for meetings and have receptionists direct me to the mail room, assume I was delivering a package or just not quite believing that I was in the right place. The shock on clients faces when I would show up and I wasn't what they expected after talking on the phone. I even had a fellow white female employee scared to death of me as I followed her off the elevator into the hall and I waited behind her at the security door. She wouldn't open it and then turned to face me and asked what I wanted. I was in shock that she didn't remember me since i'd been working there for 9 yrs at the time and I saw her all the time walking about the office. I could forgive her not recognizing me, but the look of terror on her face was what really hurt and shocked me. I could tell that she really was scared and thought I was going to rob her. Don't be so quick to dismiss my and many others experience in "US Culture" over the years.

What I wrote spoke directly to the point of why Isiah said what he did in his deposition. There are at least 2 NY writers who agree with what i'm saying, so what the hell are you talking about? It would be one thing if I said it and didn't provide an impartial party who supports that position, but I did do that. Did I just make this all up in my mind? The racial overtones do make it worse and that's from a historical perspective. Since it's now clear that Isiah never said what the doctored deposition implied, why are you still holding that against him?

The other stuff that TrueBlue is holding against Isiah is about his ALLEGED behaviour, most of which is unsubstatiated by any real evidence. It's all hearsay. Jeff Nix witnessing the pushing away, doesn't mean that there was a systemic pattern of sexual harrasment. That's only ONE INCIDENT!!! You can't base anything from that. Other than his testimony, what other hard evidence is there that Isiah did any of the things claimed against him? It's easy in court to present enough accusations so that a workplace appears to be wildly out of control and hostile. How many of her claims were really substantiated by witnesses?
To be honest if you were to timeline the incidents, the realworld amount of time that Isiah and Anucha likely worked directly with each other, likely wouldn't raise to the level of a hostile work environment. How often would she really have had need to interact with Isiah? How many actual incidents did she cite? Was this everyday behavior? It's impossible for us to say, but out of a year or more of time, it's hard to imagine that there woudn't have been more witnesses to this so called verbal abuse.

Posted by Solace:

Posted by nixluva:


Let me tell you something about US culture, I was one of only 2 Black excutives in the history of my company and I can't tell you how many times I had to deal with racial prejudices. How often i'd appear for meetings and have receptionists direct me to the mail room, assume I was delivering a package or just not quite believing that I was in the right place. The shock on clients faces when I would show up and I wasn't what they expected after talking on the phone. I even had a fellow white female employee scared to death of me as I followed her off the elevator into the hall and I waited behind her at the security door. She wouldn't open it and then turned to face me and asked what I wanted. I was in shock that she didn't remember me since i'd been working there for 9 yrs at the time and I saw her all the time walking about the office. I could forgive her not recognizing me, but the look of terror on her face was what really hurt and shocked me. I could tell that she really was scared and thought I was going to rob her. Don't be so quick to dismiss my and many others experience in "US Culture" over the years.

What I wrote spoke directly to the point of why Isiah said what he did in his deposition. There are at least 2 NY writers who agree with what i'm saying, so what the hell are you talking about? It would be one thing if I said it and didn't provide an impartial party who supports that position, but I did do that. Did I just make this all up in my mind? The racial overtones do make it worse and that's from a historical perspective. Since it's now clear that Isiah never said what the doctored deposition implied, why are you still holding that against him?

The other stuff that TrueBlue is holding against Isiah is about his ALLEGED behaviour, most of which is unsubstatiated by any real evidence. It's all hearsay. Jeff Nix witnessing the pushing away, doesn't mean that there was a systemic pattern of sexual harrasment. That's only ONE INCIDENT!!! You can't base anything from that. Other than his testimony, what other hard evidence is there that Isiah did any of the things claimed against him? It's easy in court to present enough accusations so that a workplace appears to be wildly out of control and hostile. How many of her claims were really substantiated by witnesses?
To be honest if you were to timeline the incidents, the realworld amount of time that Isiah and Anucha likely worked directly with each other, likely wouldn't raise to the level of a hostile work environment. How often would she really have had need to interact with Isiah? How many actual incidents did she cite? Was this everyday behavior? It's impossible for us to say, but out of a year or more of time, it's hard to imagine that there woudn't have been more witnesses to this so called verbal abuse.

You'll have to explain to me what racism/ignorance has to do with differentiating the use of the word 'bitch' based on if a white man says it instead of a black man. Are you saying that you think it's racist if a white man says it to a black woman, but "only" sexist (from what I'm gathering from this conversion, perceived as a far lesser offense) if a black man says it to a black woman? I have serious issues if this is your view. If it's not your view, can you please explain further and try to stay on topic? While I am interested to hear about your personal experiences (but in a different thread), it is clouding the issue of what this has to do with the original point. Thanks.

Luva please include me in on the same Solace pretty much covered my thoughts and please stay on topic and stop with the tactics please. I'd like to add....

What is your personal opinion on calling someone out of there Birth Name in a professional environment?

Please answer this direct bolded question