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nixluva
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10/11/2007  12:32 PM
The best example I can give about H2O is to look at a guy like Antonio McDyess. He had so many knee problems and in time he was able to heal and overcome those issues. Now he's a very good role player. In limited minues he's just the kind of guy you want on your bench. MAYBE H2O could do something similar. So I say let's give it a shot. Guys like him can hang around for a while in just such a scenario. It's all about his knees.
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10/11/2007  12:58 PM
The Houston Redemption

The Allan Houston episode is one of determination, hard work (for anyone who has ever rehabiliated from microfracture surgery) and good old-fashioned athletic stubborness.

and you know I love a good story

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10/11/2007  1:03 PM

Houston haters beware
from today's nypost:

'And after working out with him over the summer, Jamal Crawford says Houston is still very good.

"He didn't miss a shot," said Crawford. "He took 100 shots and made 96 just to get loose. He was moving great. We were playing full-court and he was guarding Wilson [Chandler] - Wilson's a real energetic guy - and did a good job. I was surprised how good he was moving." Crawford added, "He's as good a guy as you'll find, not only in the NBA, but in life. He's a solid person and a great player. I'd love to have him on this team. When he says something, it speaks volumes. He's been an All-Star, been to the Finals. He's had a great career."
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10/11/2007  1:14 PM
Posted by playa2:


Houston haters beware
from today's nypost:

'And after working out with him over the summer, Jamal Crawford says Houston is still very good.

"He didn't miss a shot," said Crawford. "He took 100 shots and made 96 just to get loose. He was moving great. We were playing full-court and he was guarding Wilson [Chandler] - Wilson's a real energetic guy - and did a good job. I was surprised how good he was moving." Crawford added, "He's as good a guy as you'll find, not only in the NBA, but in life. He's a solid person and a great player. I'd love to have him on this team. When he says something, it speaks volumes. He's been an All-Star, been to the Finals. He's had a great career."

Ughh...I am kinda iffy with this move. The dude is 36 with past knee issues, I can't be optimisitic w/ that. Plus this almost guarantees Nichols gets waived (and going to the Heat). At the same time Grant Hill made a mini comeback so we have to wait and see.

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10/11/2007  1:15 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The best example I can give about H2O is to look at a guy like Antonio McDyess. He had so many knee problems and in time he was able to heal and overcome those issues. Now he's a very good role player. In limited minues he's just the kind of guy you want on your bench. MAYBE H2O could do something similar. So I say let's give it a shot. Guys like him can hang around for a while in just such a scenario. It's all about his knees.

dice didn't have arthritic knees - which is why every other mf'er basically came back (at some capacity) except h20.

i don't expect him to last more than 2 months.
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10/11/2007  1:18 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nixluva:

The best example I can give about H2O is to look at a guy like Antonio McDyess. He had so many knee problems and in time he was able to heal and overcome those issues. Now he's a very good role player. In limited minues he's just the kind of guy you want on your bench. MAYBE H2O could do something similar. So I say let's give it a shot. Guys like him can hang around for a while in just such a scenario. It's all about his knees.

dice didn't have arthritic knees - which is why every other mf'er basically came back (at some capacity) except h20.

i don't expect him to last more than 2 months.

I second that.
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10/11/2007  1:33 PM
But all he has to do is monitor the locker-room, so I think he'll be fine.
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10/11/2007  1:36 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Allan Houston Meets The Mayor

"We were playing full-court and he was guarding Wilson [Chandler] - Wilson's a real energetic guy - and did a good job. I was surprised how good he was moving."

Inside The Numbers

mins played: spontaneous minutes when the Knicks offense needs a jolt
position: at John Starks Memorial shooting guard (and we know he can shoot)
fg%: dependable enough to extend the defense to the 3 point arc
free throw%: automatic
assists: free suit and tie advice for the rookies
ppg: irrelevant, because if he makes nearly half his shots in The Garden the fans will love him

intangibles: imagine it's the year 2019 and David Lee at 36 years old, requests a tryout from the Knicks to attempt a comeback from arthritis after a 2 year layoff...

TheGame/Silverfuel/Knicksfan/bippity - Should Knicks GM Mark Jackson invite Lee to training camp or block the door?

Cannot really answer that question because Lee is a totally different player. The only reason I don't like the move for Houston is that: 1) I have serious doubts that Houston can play at a high level for a season and is likely to only embarrass himself (which if he does not care I guess I don't really care either) or IT is going to messup his release and once again embarrass the franchise; 2) we have no roster spots and will have to cut Nichols who I would rather we keep; and 3) we have no minutes, so if Houston stays, IT has to give him 15-20 minutes a game, whicb means Balkman and Lee are going to probably have their minutes cut. If we had a free roster spot and only had an 8 man rotation, I would say it is a good move, but with all the adjustments and cuts we have to make to add Houston, this is only a good thing if he can actually play at a high level.
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10/11/2007  2:26 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by misterearl:

Allan Houston Meets The Mayor

"We were playing full-court and he was guarding Wilson [Chandler] - Wilson's a real energetic guy - and did a good job. I was surprised how good he was moving."

Inside The Numbers

mins played: spontaneous minutes when the Knicks offense needs a jolt
position: at John Starks Memorial shooting guard (and we know he can shoot)
fg%: dependable enough to extend the defense to the 3 point arc
free throw%: automatic
assists: free suit and tie advice for the rookies
ppg: irrelevant, because if he makes nearly half his shots in The Garden the fans will love him

intangibles: imagine it's the year 2019 and David Lee at 36 years old, requests a tryout from the Knicks to attempt a comeback from arthritis after a 2 year layoff...

TheGame/Silverfuel/Knicksfan/bippity - Should Knicks GM Mark Jackson invite Lee to training camp or block the door?

Cannot really answer that question because Lee is a totally different player. The only reason I don't like the move for Houston is that: 1) I have serious doubts that Houston can play at a high level for a season and is likely to only embarrass himself (which if he does not care I guess I don't really care either) or IT is going to messup his release and once again embarrass the franchise; 2) we have no roster spots and will have to cut Nichols who I would rather we keep; and 3) we have no minutes, so if Houston stays, IT has to give him 15-20 minutes a game, whicb means Balkman and Lee are going to probably have their minutes cut. If we had a free roster spot and only had an 8 man rotation, I would say it is a good move, but with all the adjustments and cuts we have to make to add Houston, this is only a good thing if he can actually play at a high level.

I understand your point Game, but what does it hurt to have him in camp? If he earns a spot than that's good for us. If he doesn't then it doesn't hurt us. As far as embarrasing himself, I'm pretty sure that after all Allan Houston has gone through as a Knick, that he is strong enough to make it through a poor performance. At 36 and after 2 years off I don't think most fans are expecting much. But most logical fans appreciate the effort and loyalty regardless. I'm not sure where there is any harm in this move at all.
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10/11/2007  2:30 PM
Posted by misterearl:



The Allan Houston episode is one of determination, hard work (for anyone who has ever rehabiliated from microfracture surgery) and good old-fashioned athletic stubborness.

I thought it was about no cartilage in either knee.

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10/11/2007  2:33 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by misterearl:



The Allan Houston episode is one of determination, hard work (for anyone who has ever rehabiliated from microfracture surgery) and good old-fashioned athletic stubborness.

I thought it was about no cartilage in either knee.

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10/11/2007  2:55 PM
Cartilage? Cartilage... we don't need no steenkin' cartilege!

BlueSeats - I thought it was about practice.
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10/11/2007  3:00 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Cartilage? Cartilage... we don't need no steenkin' cartilege!

BlueSeats - I thought it was about practice.

I really wish we could magically remove all the cartilage from your body.
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10/11/2007  3:04 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by misterearl:

Cartilage? Cartilage... we don't need no steenkin' cartilege!

BlueSeats - I thought it was about practice.

I really wish we could magically remove all the cartilage from your body.

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[Edited by - misterearl on 10-11-2007 3:04 PM]
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10/11/2007  3:18 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Islesfan - yo Momma is so short that you can see her feet on her drivers license photo

That's so lame. Nobody that short would be authorized to drive. Try harder.
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10/11/2007  3:39 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by misterearl:

Islesfan - yo Momma is so short that you can see her feet on her drivers license photo

That's so lame. Nobody that short would be authorized to drive. Try harder.

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10/11/2007  4:46 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Fred Jones sucks. He's not doing anything to impact this team. Jerome James brings nothing. There's two spots right now.

Fishmike who defends the oppossing teams SG on our team with no shotblocker to anchor the team.

Haven't we seen enough

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10/11/2007  4:52 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by fishmike:

Fred Jones sucks. He's not doing anything to impact this team. Jerome James brings nothing. There's two spots right now.

Fishmike who defends the oppossing teams SG on our team with no shotblocker to anchor the team. This is why I would keep Jones, the guy can at least stay in front of his man. Rotating defense from the knicks is terrible to watch when a guard penetrates.

Haven't we seen enough

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10/11/2007  5:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nixluva:

The best example I can give about H2O is to look at a guy like Antonio McDyess. He had so many knee problems and in time he was able to heal and overcome those issues. Now he's a very good role player. In limited minues he's just the kind of guy you want on your bench. MAYBE H2O could do something similar. So I say let's give it a shot. Guys like him can hang around for a while in just such a scenario. It's all about his knees.

dice didn't have arthritic knees - which is why every other mf'er basically came back (at some capacity) except h20.

i don't expect him to last more than 2 months.
H2O isn't the only guy to have this proceedure done and come back. The situation may have finally been resolved. It can take time for the knees to fully respond to microfracture surgery. The whole idea is to trick the body into RE-GROWING the cartilage. So who's to say that it hasn't been long enough for his knees to sufficiently heal? If he's able to move and play then i'd assume that he's relatively healed. if he can make it thru the rest of preseason and he clears medical examines then he is probably fine.

Now there's no way for us to know how strong the knees are and surely he's not gonna be asked to handle any heavy minutes. i would think that the possible risk of reinjury is lessened by his bench role. We'll see how he does before the season starts. If he makes it thru without his knees acting up then maybe he'll be fine. We know when he left that he couldn't even make it thru Practice, so if he's actually playing pick up games and some drills, that's already some improvement.
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10/12/2007  12:53 AM
Posted by mythfaze:
“Thank you to all of the Knick fans and those that have supported me. I will always be a Knick, and I am committed to helping this team compete for a championship."

Whether or not his comeback works out, you have to appreciate loyalty like that. Especially with the last few years our team has been through. (Whether this was genuine loyalty or him trying to spin the fact playing for us just made the most sense, I don't know. But I'm willing to pretend it is genuine loyalty to our organization.)

Loyalty has not place here. Houston sucks!!!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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