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Andrew
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10/2/2007  2:32 PM
...maybe categorize it like it was reported.
The jury found that the Garden owes $6 million for allowing a hostile work environment to exist and $2.6 million for retaliation. MSG chairman James Dolan owes $3 million.
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10/2/2007  2:33 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
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Well an all white jury showed that they are more foolish than the jury that originally gave a lady 2.9 million over hot coffee. A judge later reduced that to $480,000 and hopefully on appeal a judge with some sense will do the same.

This award was not about justice.


Are you insinuating an all white jury was racially motivated to stick it to a white owner for harassing a black woman? That's certainly a new twist for these boards. What are the implications of that?


[Edited by - blueseats on 10-02-2007 2:23 PM]

If race didnt play a role why would ABS's laywers bring up race to the all white jury multiple times?
Are you telling me that in all of NY they couldnt find 1 black person for the jury?
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10/2/2007  2:33 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:

I do not mind a fair award if that is what is justice in this case. I do not think a fair award would be anything more than 1-3 years severance pay.

I do have a problem with this:

Set up an all white jury
ABS teams implies to the all white jury that Isiah hates white people more than once.

This case wasnt about race but multiple times ABS's team sort to throw out racial regarding Isiah and white people. What possible reason could they have had other than to make the all white jury partial against Isiah?

MSG had to agree to the jury also. ISiah demonstrated rude comments towards black and white.

Isiah is not on the hook here, Dolan and MSG. ABS is black, so is Isiah. Dolan is white. As just mentioned, the white jury stuck it to a white man. Isiah lost his cred to the jury. If they believed him, they would have blown off the comment.

How is that wrong?



[Edited by - nalod on 02-10-2007 2:35 PM]
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10/2/2007  2:35 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Well an all white jury showed that they are more foolish than the jury that originally gave a lady 2.9 million over hot coffee. A judge later reduced that to $480,000 and hopefully on appeal a judge with some sense will do the same.

This award was not about justice.


Are you insinuating an all white jury was racially motivated to stick it to a white owner for harassing a black woman? That's certainly a new twist for these boards. What are the implications of that?


[Edited by - blueseats on 10-02-2007 2:23 PM]

If race didnt play a role why would ABS's laywers bring up race to the all white jury multiple times?
Are you telling me that in all of NY they couldnt find 1 black person for the jury?

race was used as a tactic to help her win the case. lawyers will use anything and everything to win. this is not shangri-la. this is how our judicial system works.
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10/2/2007  2:35 PM
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from what I just heard 11.6 mil..

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!

You sound like you're on the hook for some of that money.

No reason to take it that personally.


Nah, but is funny you guys say that but on the other side of your mouths, you groan when we pay to get rid of a player... Like it was your money, you groan over the salary cap, as if it is your money...

This lady didn't deserve this kind of award, it sends a bad message, she was part of the problem, but as I said before, the collective IQ of most americans has to be at an all time low, watching jury decisons seems to cement that for me....
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10/2/2007  2:36 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

I do not mind a fair award if that is what is justice in this case. I do not think a fair award would be anything more than 1-3 years severance pay.

I do have a problem with this:

Set up an all white jury
ABS teams implies to the all white jury that Isiah hates white people more than once.

This case wasnt about race but multiple times ABS's team sort to throw out racial regarding Isiah and white people. What possible reason could they have had other than to make the all white jury partial against Isiah?

Isiah is not on the hook here, Dolan and MSG. ABS is black, so is Isiah. Dolan is white. As just mentioned, the white jury stuck it to a white man. Isiah lost his cred to the jury. If they believed him, they would have blown off the comment.

How is that wrong?

Because ABS lawyers made it about race. The broght up racial issues multiple times to influence an all white jury.


TKF dont worry they will appeal and ABS will nevr come away with this. Just like the coffee lawsuit. The nutty jury awarded the lady 2.9 million. On appeal it was cut to under $500,000 and then the lady finally settled with Mcdonalds for around have that $500,000 amount.

Dolan has the money and lawyers to keep this in appeals for a long time
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10/2/2007  2:36 PM
Maybe now that this mess is over, the Knicks can try to concentrate on the upcoming season.

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10/2/2007  2:40 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:
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from what I just heard 11.6 mil..

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!

Why so emotional?



They decided not to settle

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!


why emotional? have you ever been sued for something you feel 100% you did not do?

why settle if you feel you are right?

I think it is ridiculous to think someone should settle just because they have money....

That's where reasoning comes into to play. If you have a very weak case with several witnesses testifying against you, you need to settle. Why buyout players, while paying them for several yrs afterwards, when they aren't providing services to your company? That's as close to stealing as it comes.

What bullshyt!!!!!!!
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10/2/2007  2:40 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by tkf:

from what I just heard 11.6 mil..

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!

You sound like you're on the hook for some of that money.

No reason to take it that personally.


Nah, but is funny you guys say that but on the other side of your mouths, you groan when we pay to get rid of a player... Like it was your money, you groan over the salary cap, as if it is your money...

This lady didn't deserve this kind of award, it sends a bad message, she was part of the problem, but as I said before, the collective IQ of most americans has to be at an all time low, watching jury decisons seems to cement that for me....

I'm pretty sure this $11.6M doesn't count against the salary cap, the way it does when they acquire a player they have no use for and buy him out.

You do understand that the salary cap restricts a teams ability to acquire players, right?
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10/2/2007  2:42 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:

from what I just heard 11.6 mil..

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!


I know, that's money that could have been wasted on two MLE signings and subsequent buyouts.

NO, but it just shakes my faith in the system. this case had gold digging written all over it from the start. If any of you guys ever get to own a billion dollar company I would really hate to see anyone of you become prey to shyt like this....

LOL so this case is what did it for you. I mean you seriously think MSG is clean on all accounts?
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10/2/2007  2:44 PM
Posted by tkf:
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Posted by BlueSeats:
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If the jury wants to be fair and just, then anything awareded to her over 1 million would be criminal on their behalf...... With the evidence I heard in this case, I really don't see how they even came to that conclusion.. but whatever...


tkf, the jury wont simply be awarding her for the pain of hearing the words "bitch" and "ho", that's worth about 50 cent (no pun intended). They'll be awarding her for the loss of income and the setback to her career for being, in their eyes, wrongfully terminated. before isiah came along she was considered a fast-track executive with a very high ceiling, but that ceiling came crashing down when Isiah declared himself the new sheriff in town and played shoot 'em up with everyone in his path.

I agree to some extent, but the testimony of here incompetence had to come into play and Isiah had nothing to do with that. This was a sneaky, overzealous, ambitious woman who ran into someone with the same traits but much more power, and was willing to make sure she understood that. could this have been handled better? of course and that should have been done by mills, that other incomopetent boob. But there is no doubt in my mind that she started falling off in her duties, she used MSG expenses as part of a tax fraud scam, something she never denied or had an answer for. dolan jumped the gun firing her, but she was deserving of being fired just for that action alone. I don't care about here fast track, she derailed that herself, and Honestly two years salary is the most she should get!

If she was so incompetent, how come the bonuses and raises? Sure, she was ambitious and probably bull-headed, nothing wrong with that.

Why is there no doubt in your mind that she started falling off in her duties, and what does the tax thing have to do with her duties at MSG?


martin, I think the bonuse and raise thing was put to rest, from what I read, those were given well before she started making criticle mistakes in her duties, especially when she took on a bigger role.

and what does the tax thing have to do with her duties at MSG?

what? so let me ask you, what does dog fighting have to do with vicks work on the field for the falcons?

It is a matter of character and judgment, she displayed poor judgement and questionable character when she tried to defraud the government using MSG's expenditures. that is fraudulent and against the law and most of all, I am sure that violated some company policy in some way. It has a lot to do with her duties at MSG since as an executive she is relied upon to make judgment decisions and so far including that fiasco her judgment can be called into question..

It is my understanding that she got bonuses and raises right up until she got canned.

Why are you bringing up Vick? That has nothing to do with a hostile environment at MSG, just like Brown's taxes have nothing to do with a hostile working environment.

I am sure the IRS will be getting in touch with Brown about the tax thing.
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10/2/2007  2:44 PM
so far, it's a bunch of guys on this forum talking about this. i would like to hear from some female posters and their views on this. and quick before tkf and cossucks blow up the courthouse.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-02-2007 2:45 PM]
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10/2/2007  2:48 PM
tkf, how does a jury appropriately punish a huge company so it forces them to make a change in how they do business?

Do you think awarding someone $1M would do it? That would be like fining a regular person $1.
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10/2/2007  2:55 PM
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But they surely may be related to his poor people managing skills that include not just this woman, but also other executives, players, coaches, etc. Please don't tell me you don't think the "frat house," mentality and select indulgences haven't permeated the coaching ranks, the lockeroom, and the conduct on and off the court.

You have examples of how they have?

Best I can think of the coach who had the most trouble dealing with the players was no fan of Isiah or his mentality. Didn’t translate to more wins.

Simply, Blueseats, I don’t think a “frat house” mentality (in this case I assume you mean a lack of discipline or sense of purpose) is a problem the Knicks have. I think they showed as much discipline and purpose on the court as one can expect from a relatively young team without, as of yet, a well established system to play under.

Isiah's inability to build a team around a vision, and in conjunction with a coach, is a large part of the reason they haven't had an established system to play under.

From where I sit (the same place you are sitting I presume) I don’t see any problems with the way Isiah relates to his players or his coaching staff.

If you're impressed with the way let/made Marbury feel more important and powerful than Wilkens, then we have extremely different standards. And If you think Isiah has earned the respect of coaches for his dealing with Chaney, Fratelo, Wilkens, and Brown we have very different standards. I've seen little accountability taken by anyone on the staff, which is one of the reasons so many people need to be fired.
I think the effect of the off-court issues are greatly exaggerated by the losing. We can point to just about anything including the price of popcorn at MSG as a symptom of the losing environment at MSG…until, that is, they start winning.

Uhm, no.
When Ewing was here how much more professional was the organization then? Oh right…

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/07/23/gold.club.trial/index.html

But that was all Isiah’s fault.

Who cares about Ewing sleeping with strippers? The only parallel might be that Marbury cheated on his wife, but I never paid that any mind, that's between them. But you bring it up as if it's amoral, so you must really like it that isiah arranged with hotel concierges to direct opposing team players to strip-clubs to get messed up the night before afternoon games. Even that was something I never made a fuss about.

You seem to be going to great lengths to establish the insignificance of a poorly run franchise and I simply disagree on the depths of the problem and it's net effects. Even with Isiah installed as Emperor for life we still have to wonder if we have a coach in place who can lead this team through the perennial distractions.
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10/2/2007  2:57 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

so far, it's a bunch of guys on this forum talking about this. i would like to hear from some female posters and their views on this. and quick before tkf and cossucks blow up the courthouse.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-02-2007 2:45 PM]

There are female posters on this board?
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10/2/2007  3:05 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by djsunyc:

so far, it's a bunch of guys on this forum talking about this. i would like to hear from some female posters and their views on this. and quick before tkf and cossucks blow up the courthouse.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-02-2007 2:45 PM]

There are female posters on this board?

I think we have just two. Not counting Bonn.
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10/2/2007  3:07 PM
The bottom line is Anucha was a more credible witness than Dolan, Isiah and company. They'll all just took the company line because they wanted to save their jobs.
It was easy to decide. You had Decker outright trying to deceive the jury. Once the thank you card came out stating deckers true feelings about MSG's work environment.

CREDIBILITY


[Edited by - boykins2 on 10-02-2007 3:09 PM]
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Posted by Andrew:

tkf, suggest what you would think was a fair number. I'm interested in what criteria you are using as well.


well I am not buying the hostile enviornment crap because Annuca wanted her job back, and why?

Was MSG poorly run? yes, yes, yes, is that worth 11 million.. NO!!

Was she improperly fired? most likely, is that worth even 1 million? NO

did she deserve to be fired? I say for the tax scam alone involving msg.. YES...

I think she should have gotten the rest of her years pay, and probably a million dollars in damages for money she would have earned during such time...

1.25 mil would have been just IMO. especially since they didn't find isiah culpable enough to make him pay one dime....
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Posted by Nalod:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by djsunyc:

so far, it's a bunch of guys on this forum talking about this. i would like to hear from some female posters and their views on this. and quick before tkf and cossucks blow up the courthouse.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-02-2007 2:45 PM]

There are female posters on this board?

I think we have just two.


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