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Solace
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9/30/2007  4:53 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Longtime residents said the incident was out of character for their community.

There are some idiots out there, but doesn't this comment ring volumes, as well?
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9/30/2007  10:29 AM
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - nice try.

Unfortunately, laws cannot change hearts and minds

Noose found hanging in L.I. police headquarters

BY JOE GOULD AND CARRIE MELAGO
DAILY NEWS

Saturday, September 29th 2007


A noose was found dangling in a Long Island town's police department, horrifying officials who rushed to condemn the hateful act.

The scandal at the Hempstead Police Department began early Friday, when a maintenance man spotted the noose hanging from a pipe in a men's locker room.

Officials said they were stunned that racism would rear its head in the diverse department and questioned whether the act was linked to a deputy chief's recent promotion or a push to recruit more minorities.

"I used to read about this with the KKK, as far back as I can remember," said Perry Pettus, a town trustee. "To hear about something like this in this community, it's just a sad situation."

Nassau County and Hempstead police were investigating who hung the noose, long an emblem of lynchings and racism in the Old South. Scorn for the symbol has been renewed since three nooses were hung outside a school in Jena, La., last year, prompting race-related fights and arrests that have captivated the country.

"It's just mindboggling in the wake of the high-profile case in Jena that you would do that, that someone would be so full of hate," said Hempstead Mayor Wayne Hall.

In Hempstead, officials said about half of the 107-member department are minorities. Department officials recently hung a banner announcing their participation in an effort to recruit more women and minorities to be cops.

Several community leaders expressed concern that the noose could be linked to the April promotion of Willie Dixon, who is black, to deputy police chief.

Hempstead Police Chief Joseph Wing would not discuss what evidence was collected in the locker room, but confirmed that only cops have access to the basement room.

"They're upset, leaning toward outrage," Wing said of the department's reaction. "It's because of all of the symbolism that the noose comes with historically and the fact that it was hung in a police department."

Longtime residents said the incident was out of character for their community.

"I've lived here all my life, and I've never heard of anything like this," said Edward Tolver, president of the Hempstead NAACP. "Hempstead Police Department is one of the most diverse police departments in the state. It's sad to see something like this happen."

I agree about laws have limited power.
But this is all we have to keep society from falling apart.



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9/30/2007  10:36 AM
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Posted by arkrud:
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The devolution of a thread.

right. so let's hear people's thoughts on what they would like to see done to address inequalities in america.

killa talked about a program for inner-city families he wants to someday fund and establish. maybe he could repeat it here.

i'd like to see a program launched by some high profile private citizens, like bill gates, robert johnson, warren buffet, oprah winfrey. this would be a program to organize corporations, individuals and charitable organizations to sponsor low-income kids going to college, and adults going to college and getting job training. i'd also like to see revamped and more effective affirmative-action policies.

others?

I will prohibit any laws in this country which put citizens of different race or nation in privileged conditions and change any government help programs to be dependable only on family income. Any special treatments are greatest course of racism and haltered.
The root of all problems is poverty.
We need to legalize drugs to uproot the mafia and bring drugs price down. Who will overdose and die - sorry. Every man has his fate.
Make a strict law against any lobbing to stop selling America to the people with big $$$.
Take same taxes from corporation regardless of size and bull sheet they provide in their books.
Just some stuff












[Edited by - arkrud on 09-29-2007 10:44 PM]

Papabear Says

Had it not been for special programs and new laws for minorities we might still be in the stone age of civil rights. Some times you have to force companies to hire minorities. Some times people are hell bent on not hiring minorities. I know some people long for the good ol days beleiving the old segregation ways where you just leave to the indevidual company owners to make up his or her own mind and the best man for the job will get the job no matter what color you are. If you believe that then you must believe that Zebras attack Lions and eat thier flesh.

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If company is denying employment based on race this is criminal and must be prosecuted.
If company if forced to hire based on race (to have some % of employers from minorities) this is offensive and minorities should be upset of this humiliation. This means that somebody thinks that minority people cannot reach same level of skills themselves.
When I was leaving in Soviet Union it was a low that colleges cannot admit more that 1% of Jews.
This was a humiliation for all other nations. But they never understood... They were happy that Jews will be kept in check. Pure guys…








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9/30/2007  10:51 AM
Akrud, are there any races that the color of their skin stick out in the soviet union like they do here blacks hispanic asian?

If not then I could never see your point of thinking.

Do people in russia all have names that sound similar or do they have names like lucious, Carlos, jesus, mahogany etc..

These names can easily get discrimanted against in america even if their resumes are equal or better than common names like marybeth, rebecca, john, bill, paul etc
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9/30/2007  11:17 AM
Solace - the point being, lets see how the so-called "enlightened" and "well-spoken" Bill O'Reilly, not the Blacks - or the Whites of Hempstead, responds to another sad episode of expression.
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9/30/2007  11:35 AM
Posted by playa2:

Akrud, are there any races that the color of their skin stick out in the soviet union like they do here blacks hispanic asian?

If not then I could never see your point of thinking.

Do people in russia all have names that sound similar or do they have names like lucious, Carlos, jesus, mahogany etc..

These names can easily get discrimanted against in america even if their resumes are equal or better than common names like marybeth, rebecca, john, bill, paul etc

People in Russia can distinguish between Jews, Russians, Mongolians, Chechens, and other 300 major nations leaving in Russia as easy as Americans can distinguish black from whites. They have different look, accents, and culture.
There is no racism in Russia but nationalism, anti-Semitism, and xenophobia which is same things but race not involved. It is more violent on all levels and involves not only calling the names and cursing, but also batting, killing, destroying graves, torturing religious buildings, etc.
I tell you man – you don’t want to be there. I was leaving in SU for 33 years and feel unsecure any day of my live



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9/30/2007  1:03 PM
arkrud - do you think Bill O'Reilly will speak about the Hempstead incident?

How do you think he will paint it?
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9/30/2007  3:01 PM
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - do you think Bill O'Reilly will speak about the Hempstead incident?

How do you think he will paint it?

misterearl - What do you think, is there live on Mars or not?
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9/30/2007  8:40 PM
arkrud - I like you

You make me laugh





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9/30/2007  9:10 PM
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - I like you

You make me laugh

Just answer the question, Earl. Is there or is there not life on Mars?
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9/30/2007  9:18 PM
Codeunk - gee whiz, what do I look like Mister Peabody?

Hold up... lemme look in my telescope....

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9/30/2007  9:24 PM
This guy grew up on Mars
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9/30/2007  9:34 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Codeunk - gee whiz, what do I look like Mister Peabody?

Hold up... lemme look in my telescope....

I just find it hard to believe that we're alone in the universe.
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9/30/2007  9:38 PM
codeunk - was the arkrud question about the universe or about Mars?

you need to get your story straight
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9/30/2007  9:45 PM
Posted by misterearl:

codeunk - was the arkrud question about the universe or about Mars?

you need to get your story straight

Yes or no to Mars?!!

If you don't answer the question, Arkrud is gonna try to turn you on again.

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10/1/2007  12:03 AM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by misterearl:

codeunk - was the arkrud question about the universe or about Mars?

you need to get your story straight

Yes or no to Mars?!!

If you don't answer the question, Arkrud is gonna try to turn you on again.

Huh..
I will...
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10/1/2007  12:45 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - the point being, lets see how the so-called "enlightened" and "well-spoken" Bill O'Reilly, not the Blacks - or the Whites of Hempstead, responds to another sad episode of expression.

He's just one man. Frankly, he's not someone I listen to. If what was described in the initial story is typical of him, I don't think he should have the position that he has.
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10/1/2007  2:14 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by arkrud:















[Edited by - arkrud on 09-29-2007 10:44 PM]

Papabear Says

Had it not been for special programs and new laws for minorities we might still be in the stone age of civil rights. Some times you have to force companies to hire minorities. Some times people are hell bent on not hiring minorities. I know some people long for the good ol days beleiving the old segregation ways where you just leave to the indevidual company owners to make up his or her own mind and the best man for the job will get the job no matter what color you are. If you believe that then you must believe that Zebras attack Lions and eat thier flesh.

Papabear

Papabear

If company is denying employment based on race this is criminal and must be prosecuted.
If company if forced to hire based on race (to have some % of employers from minorities) this is offensive and minorities should be upset of this humiliation. This means that somebody thinks that minority people cannot reach same level of skills themselves.
When I was leaving in Soviet Union it was a low that colleges cannot admit more that 1% of Jews.
This was a humiliation for all other nations. But they never understood... They were happy that Jews will be kept in check. Pure guys…






Papabear Says

Common get real!! If we have to force an employer to hire minorities to reach a quota, then so be it. Minorities should not be ashamed. The government is forceing them to hire minorities be cause they refuse to do it. Get reaL!!

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10/1/2007  8:02 AM
Really awesome article by Juan Williams about his interview with O'Reilly where he made the comments in question. To summarize, Juan Williams says O'Reilly's comments were taken out of context and O'Reilly was talking against stereotyping. For the record, I think O'Reilly is extremely racist and put up a front for the interview.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1666573,00.html
What Bill O'Reilly Really Told Me
By JUAN WILLIAMS

It started with Bill O'Reilly's grandmother. And it blew up into charges of O'Reilly being called a racist and me being attacked as a "Happy Negro" (read that as a lackey or Uncle Tom).

O'Reilly, controversial host of the top-rated TV cable talk show on Fox News Channel, interviewed me on his radio show about a woman-hating, N-word-spouting rapper being hired by McDonald's for a celebrity endorsement. O'Reilly has been on a crusade against big companies legitimizing a crass, hateful and pornographic popular culture by putting stars like Snoop Dogg, the pornographer/rapper, in their ads.

Sad to say, but a lot of today's rappers fit the bill.

They make their name by bragging about how many people they've killed, how many times they've been shot and how many "bitches" they've abused. And those rappers, along with no-talent black comedians who use the N-word and profanity constantly, are creating a very negative image of black people in music, in music videos and in the movies.

So, O'Reilly says to me that the reality to black life is very different from the lowlife behavior glorified by the rappers. He told me he was at a restaurant in Harlem recently and there was no one shouting profanity, no one threatening people. Then he mentioned going to an Anita Baker concert with an audience that was half black, and in sharp contrast to the corrosive images on TV, well dressed and well behaved.

I joked with O'Reilly that for him, a guy from Long Island, a visit to Harlem was like a "foreign trip." That's when he brought up his grandma. He said she was prejudiced against black people because she knew no flesh-and-blood black folks but only the one-dimensional TV coverage of black criminals shooting each other and the rappers and comedians glorifying "gangsta" life and thug cool. He criticized his grandmother as irrational for being afraid of people she really did not know.

I defended his grandma.

After watching all those racist, minstrel images of black people, I argued, she is right to buy into stereotypes of blacks as ignorant, oversexed and violent. And I said while I worried about his grandma having racist images justified in her mind I had bigger worries.

The most pernicious damage being done by the twisted presentation of black life in pop culture is the self-destructive message being beamed into young, vulnerable black brains. Young black people, searching for affirmation of their racial identity, are minute by minute being sold on the cheap idea that they are authentically black only if they imitate the violent, threatening attitude of the rappers and use the gutter language coming from the minstrels on TV.

The lesson from the rappers and comedians is that any young brother or sister who is proud to be black has to treat education with indifference, dismiss love and marriage as the business of white people and dress like the rappers who dress like prisoners — no comb in the jail so they wear doo-rags all day, and no belts so their pants hang down around their butts.

That was the heart and soul of the conversation between O'Reilly and me. The point of the whole exchange was to defeat corrupt, untrue and racist images of real black people.

So imagine how totally astounded I was when I heard O'Reilly was attacked on the basis of that radio conversation as a "racist." He was slammed for saying he went to a restaurant in Harlem and had a good time. He was slammed for saying the audience at the concert was nicely dressed. The suggestion was that O'Reilly had racist preconceptions about the restaurant and the concert crowd.

That twisted assumption led me to say publicly that the attacks on O'Reilly amounted to an effort to take what he said totally out of context in an attempt to brand him a racist by a liberal group that disagrees with much of his politics. But the out-of-context attacks on O'Reilly picked up speed and ended up on CNN, where one commentator branded me a "Happy Negro" for allowing O'Reilly to get by with making racist comments without objection.

This is so far from the truth of the conversation on the radio that it is beyond a matter of words being taken out of context. This is a pathetic cowardly, personal attack against me intended to damage my credibility and invalidate any support I offer to O'Reilly against the charges that he is a racist.

For the record, I am a black man who lives in a black neighborhood in a mostly black city, and is married to a black woman. I am also the author of several books and documentaries on the civil rights movement. And any viewer of the O'Reilly TV show knows that O'Reilly and I respect, even like, each other but are frequently at loud, finger-pointing odds over politics and people.

But this is an attempt to take down O'Reilly and dismiss anyone offering him support — me. This is along the lines of telling anyone who calls attention to the excesses of hip-hop culture a "self-hating" black man and skewering anyone who dares to say there is a crisis in black America because of the high dropout rates, high crime rates and high out-of-wedlock birth rates.That is what happened to another well-known Bill, Bill Cosby, after he spoke out about the self-destructive images and behavior in the black community.

The critics want to shut up Cosby, O'Reilly, me and anyone else who points out the crisis in black America. They want anyone who dares to speak publicly about problems in black America to fear being called a racist, if they are white, or a "Happy Negro" if they are black. They want silence so they can continue to make money by distorting black life and allowing black on black murder rates to climb along with the black dropout rate and the black poverty rate.

The critics want to paralyze efforts to help those locked in poverty and too often in a criminal culture where acceptance of drug use and violence becomes acceptable. They don't want black people to be known as Americans with a long distinguished history of patriotism, reverence for education and a willingness to fight for America's ideals — justice for all — despite the harsh facts of slavery and legal segregation.

They prefer to bash anyone who points out their tragic, mindless willingness to sell out the history and pride of black people to make a buck. But take this from the "Happy Negro." The critics are some Sad People.

Williams is a senior correspondent for NPR, an analyst for Fox News and the author of Enough
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