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8/3/2007  4:56 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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If you're gonna starphuck just to draw in as much money as possible immediately without caring about building a championship core, then adding Artest makes a lot of sense--just like the Marbury, Curry, Crawford, Zach, and McDyess trades did.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-03-2007 3:13 PM]

why is artest a starphuck?

He defends, can shoot from deep. He's a 2-way player without a long contract.

If that was the full picture (and you KNOW it isn't), his last two teams wouldn't have been desperate to trade him.

what's your definition of a starphuck? You don't give up too much and get a 2-way player in return on a short contract.
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8/3/2007  4:57 PM
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LOL....Classic
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8/3/2007  4:57 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Some guy who broke the Randolph trade on RealGM said


Nate, Balkman, Rose, and picks or Jones are on the table


That's a pretty typical terrible I SAY UGH deal. Basiclly trading 3 first round picks and essentially an expiring for a SHORT FUSE. Not to mention Artest could walk after next yr.
WOW! I would be sad to lose Balkman, but I think that trade is good enough for me.
Rose sucks and regardless of his summer league (which means nothing me) I dont think Nate has any role in our team. Losing Balkman is the bad part of the trade, but is better losing Balkman than losing Lee, and we must Sacramento anything valuable in order to make the trade work. I wish they accept Malik, Nate and a pick, but I dont think Sac would do it.
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8/3/2007  4:58 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If you're gonna starphuck just to draw in as much money as possible immediately without caring about building a championship core, then adding Artest makes a lot of sense--just like the Marbury, Curry, Crawford, Zach, and McDyess trades did.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-03-2007 3:13 PM]

why is artest a starphuck?

He defends, can shoot from deep. He's a 2-way player without a long contract.

If that was the full picture (and you KNOW it isn't), his last two teams wouldn't have been desperate to trade him.

what's your definition of a starphuck? You don't give up too much and get a 2-way player in return on a short contract.

Anything where you get a big name player with huge enough flaws (either to his game or his personality) that he should NOT be part of a championship contending core. I know you're a bright fan and you wouldn't build a team around a core of Zach, Eddy, and Ron if you're were trying to win a championship. You might if you wanted to sell a lot of jerseys and seats this summer, though.
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8/3/2007  5:01 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If you're gonna starphuck just to draw in as much money as possible immediately without caring about building a championship core, then adding Artest makes a lot of sense--just like the Marbury, Curry, Crawford, Zach, and McDyess trades did.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-03-2007 3:13 PM]

why is artest a starphuck?

He defends, can shoot from deep. He's a 2-way player without a long contract.

If that was the full picture (and you KNOW it isn't), his last two teams wouldn't have been desperate to trade him.

what's your definition of a starphuck? You don't give up too much and get a 2-way player in return on a short contract.

Anything where you get a big name player with huge enough flaws (either to his game or his personality) that he should NOT be part of a championship contending core. I know you're a bright fan and you wouldn't build a team around a core of Zach, Eddy, and Ron if you're were trying to win a championship. You might if you wanted to sell a lot of jerseys and seats this summer, though.

So, if we traded either JJ or Rose or Big Game for Artest, that's a starphuck?

I think we need Nalod's call on this.
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8/3/2007  5:02 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Some guy who broke the Randolph trade on RealGM said


Nate, Balkman, Rose, and picks or Jones are on the table


That's a pretty typical terrible I SAY UGH deal. Basiclly trading 3 first round picks and essentially an expiring for a SHORT FUSE. Not to mention Artest could walk after next yr.
WOW! I would be sad to lose Balkman, but I think that trade is good enough for me.
Rose sucks and regardless of his summer league (which means nothing me) I dont think Nate has any role in our team. Losing Balkman is the bad part of the trade, but is better losing Balkman than losing Lee, and we must Sacramento anything valuable in order to make the trade work. I wish they accept Malik, Nate and a pick, but I dont think Sac would do it.


I figured Balk or Lee or Picks were involved. I said as much earlier in the thread. Theres no need to trade Balk when Artest is a FA next summer. If Isiah pulls the trigger on this deal, he must be feeling pressure to win, and win now. The only arguement you can make from Isiahs standpoint (not saying I agree with it) is with Artest here, Balk and or Chandler never see much minutes. So one of them would have to go. Both seem to have similar games.

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8/3/2007  5:11 PM
I don't mind trading for Artest as long as it doesn't include Nate Robinson.

oh....and it can't include BOTH Balkman and Lee.
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8/3/2007  5:13 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:

I don't mind trading for Artest as long as it doesn't include Nate Robinson.

oh....and it can't include BOTH Balkman and Lee.

you'd be OK w/trading either Balkman or D Lee for Artest but not Nate?
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8/3/2007  5:32 PM
I LOVE Balkman and would love to see him stay, but I mean we can't keep everyone and also take on Artest. If he's part of the deal then so be it. We still would have Chandler and Nichols, so I don't think we'd be in bad shape at all.

To be honest we all know that Artest is a guy that will eventually do something to create headlines, but if he does what he is capable of on the court it makes this team better. We know the drill. He's a talented guy with problems or else we wouldn't even have a chance to get him. Isiah believes he can handle these kinds of guys and for the most part, aside from Steph's cooky comments, we haven't had any issues with these guys.
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8/3/2007  5:41 PM
I'm not sure I get the whole idea.
Are we planning on signing Artest to an extention?
If not, what is the point of losing Balkman for 1 year service?
Is the thinking that he would put us over the top to win a championship THIS YEAR?
I'm just asking.


[Edited by - panos on 03-08-2007 5:42 PM]
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8/3/2007  5:41 PM
Balkman brings something no other player on this team does... he's like a suped up version of JYD... we need players like that on this team who know their roles & play them extremely well... it makes more sense to give up Chandler if you're getting Artest than it does to give up Balkman IMO... i wouldn't want to give up either obviously... if SAC doesn't want to accept a package like Jefferies & Nate / Malik & Nate / Dickau, Jones & Nate, then the Knicks can tell them they can keep Artest & lose him for nothing after next season.
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8/3/2007  6:00 PM
Posted by Panos:

I'm not sure I get the whole idea.
Are we planning on signing Artest to an extention?
If not, what is the point of losing Balkman for 1 year service?
Is the thinking that he would put us over the top to win a championship THIS YEAR?
I'm just asking.


[Edited by - panos on 03-08-2007 5:42 PM]

I'm sure Isiah feels this move puts us right there in the upper tier of the east. And I'm also certain Isiah would extend Artest in a trade.

I dont like giving up Balk for a player we could porbably sign next summer.

Most figured if we entered the season as we are, we'd win about 40-41. So here's a better question. If we add Artest, and this pushes us into the top 4 in the east, with a legit shot at the finals, about as a legit shot as anyone else in the top half of the east, should we still pull the trigger and trade Balk?
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8/3/2007  6:14 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Panos:

I'm not sure I get the whole idea.
Are we planning on signing Artest to an extention?
If not, what is the point of losing Balkman for 1 year service?
Is the thinking that he would put us over the top to win a championship THIS YEAR?
I'm just asking.


[Edited by - panos on 03-08-2007 5:42 PM]

I'm sure Isiah feels this move puts us right there in the upper tier of the east. And I'm also certain Isiah would extend Artest in a trade.

I dont like giving up Balk for a player we could porbably sign next summer.

Most figured if we entered the season as we are, we'd win about 40-41. So here's a better question. If we add Artest, and this pushes us into the top 4 in the east, with a legit shot at the finals, about as a legit shot as anyone else in the top half of the east, should we still pull the trigger and trade Balk?


Again, only if the thought is it might help us go to the finals,
OR we are thinking of extending him. Otherwise, doesn't make sense.
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8/3/2007  6:16 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Nalod:




LOL....Classic

LOL. That was awesome.
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8/3/2007  6:22 PM
We need Malik Rose because he need a vet PF...In summer leuge he mentioned how he wont get much playing time but a coah and a mentor for the rest of the young PF's. Nether should we deal with picks because he got screw with that with Curry. The best is to get rid of expiring contracts like Fred Jones, Dan Dickau, Jerome James and Jared Jeffries. These are players who don't really have an affect on the Knicks performance..some of them ruin it..ehem Jared Jeffries. Dan Dickau was with 8 different teams!! I doubt he can establish himself with the Knicks
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8/3/2007  6:22 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If you're gonna starphuck just to draw in as much money as possible immediately without caring about building a championship core, then adding Artest makes a lot of sense--just like the Marbury, Curry, Crawford, Zach, and McDyess trades did.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-03-2007 3:13 PM]

why is artest a starphuck?

He defends, can shoot from deep. He's a 2-way player without a long contract.

If that was the full picture (and you KNOW it isn't), his last two teams wouldn't have been desperate to trade him.

what's your definition of a starphuck? You don't give up too much and get a 2-way player in return on a short contract.

Anything where you get a big name player with huge enough flaws (either to his game or his personality) that he should NOT be part of a championship contending core. I know you're a bright fan and you wouldn't build a team around a core of Zach, Eddy, and Ron if you're were trying to win a championship. You might if you wanted to sell a lot of jerseys and seats this summer, though.

So, if we traded either JJ or Rose or Big Game for Artest, that's a starphuck?

I think we need Nalod's call on this.
I don't know how to even answer that. Those players should be bought out and shouldn't even be on the roster. Artest is at best a distraction and will take massive minutes away from and be an awful role model for players who should be part of our young, eventually championship-contending core (or at least the core we would have if the team were run adequately).
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