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6/29/2007  9:56 AM
Posted by misterearl:

My intentions?

Truth, justice and the American Way dude.

BlueSeats - other than the snippy, junior high school cheerleader personal attacks, what are your intentions?

sheesh, do you ever talk basketball from an intellectual perspective?

Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - one more thing. That was not one ounce of innuendo in describing Zach Randolph's appearance.

Dem was facts.

Deal with it.

you launched this thread with personal attacks in the headline. Then you proceed to question why Balkman and Collins aren't as liked as Lee with no evidence to suggest Balkman isn't (and for similar reasons) or that Collins should be (considering the difference in their games and accomplishments). Requests for clarity of your point are left unanswered with racial innuendo left as the most plausible suspect.

Then, rather than respecting the repeated explanations that the trade is disliked because of it's possible ramifications on character, payroll, health, chemistry, etc, you reference Zach's "slumped shoulders, sinister visage and African body," insinuating the misgivings are more genuinely of a cosmetic nature.

Don't get me wrong, I'm genuinely entertained by your personal fixation on race and looks, I simply find it worth noting that not everyone views the challenge of team building through the same myopic and superficial prism that you do.

Dem's the facts, deal with it. Hit the open man. Pick your own boogers and eat 'em.
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6/29/2007  9:58 AM
Posted by misterearl:

If David Lee averaged 23 points and 10 rebounds the place would be all over his jock

Forget the personal bias. Zack Randolph can play

David Lee's contract doesn't prevent the Knicks from getting under the cap in two years, as Isiah SAID WAS HIS PLAN!

This should be renamed:t

The Fanboy Thread.
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6/29/2007  10:35 AM
Posted by misterearl:

fish.mike - if you want to analyze it in context we got destroyed at PF last year. Lee's rebounding was the only thing we had going at that position all year. Zach is a monster upgrade as a starter both scoring and on the boards. He's got a good face up game so its not an impossible pairing w/ Curry. Not ideal, but in context the Knicks got much better at a position that was a weakness last year.
Hard to debate that no?

I agree totally with this. Zach is a dynamic offensive player, who can shoot, drive to a closer spot on the floor and score moving, post up, I mean in terms of offensive skills, he does everything well, except drive all the way to the hoop, and shoot 3 pointers. Although he is not super fast or athletic, he is elusive, and his game is skills based, not athleticism based. Offensively he is as complete a package as you could hope for in a big man. Quite simply, He is a dominating player, I remember the first time I saw him play I was blown away and asked my friend who is this cat I never heard of him and hes sick!! Not only that, he is a beast on the boards. People don't like Zach, he has some baggage, but I always wanted him on the team and I'm happy we have him.

I love D. Lee as a player, but the fanboyness surrounding him went beyond his skill on the court. I said the same thing about Nate when he first came here. WHy they both enjoyed it is irrelevant, the point is it went beyond their ability to impact games. We just got a dominant player, we should be excited about the possibilities. His game and Curry's are not te same, ZR is dynamic, Curry is static, their games can very easily compliment each others.
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6/29/2007  10:42 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by misterearl:

fish.mike - if you want to analyze it in context we got destroyed at PF last year. Lee's rebounding was the only thing we had going at that position all year. Zach is a monster upgrade as a starter both scoring and on the boards. He's got a good face up game so its not an impossible pairing w/ Curry. Not ideal, but in context the Knicks got much better at a position that was a weakness last year.
Hard to debate that no?

I agree totally with this. Zach is a dynamic offensive player, who can shoot, drive to a closer spot on the floor and score moving, post up, I mean in terms of offensive skills, he does everything well, except drive all the way to the hoop, and shoot 3 pointers. Although he is not super fast or athletic, he is elusive, and his game is skills based, not athleticism based. Offensively he is as complete a package as you could hope for in a big man. Quite simply, He is a dominating player, I remember the first time I saw him play I was blown away and asked my friend who is this cat I never heard of him and hes sick!! Not only that, he is a beast on the boards. People don't like Zach, he has some baggage, but I always wanted him on the team and I'm happy we have him.

I love D. Lee as a player, but the fanboyness surrounding him went beyond his skill on the court. I said the same thing about Nate when he first came here. WHy they both enjoyed it is irrelevant, the point is it went beyond their ability to impact games. We just got a dominant player, we should be excited about the possibilities. His game and Curry's are not te same, ZR is dynamic, Curry is static, their games can very easily compliment each others.

but how does zach work with eddy? that's the bigger question. and that's a major VALID concern. we spent all last year establishing eddy as the #1 option and now we bring in a guy that could challenge eddy for the ball. and there's no defense coming from him to fall back on (unlike kg or jermaine). it's a VERY risky acquisition and so far, these acquisitions have not work out.

where is the confidence that this one will?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-29-2007 10:45 AM]
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6/29/2007  10:43 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

I agree totally with this. Zach is a dynamic offensive player, who can shoot, drive to a closer spot on the floor and score moving, post up, I mean in terms of offensive skills, he does everything well, except drive all the way to the hoop, and shoot 3 pointers. Although he is not super fast or athletic, he is elusive, and his game is skills based, not athleticism based. Offensively he is as complete a package as you could hope for in a big man. Quite simply, He is a dominating player, I remember the first time I saw him play I was blown away and asked my friend who is this cat I never heard of him and hes sick!! Not only that, he is a beast on the boards. People don't like Zach, he has some baggage, but I always wanted him on the team and I'm happy we have him.

is he better than eddy?
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6/29/2007  10:46 AM
I think you could see the gameplan last year was to have a PF who could play out at the perimeter while Curry's on the blocks. Curry has no face up game. Zach has a bit of one. He can take his man off the dribble and hit a consistent 12 footer. They'll probably just plug him into Frye's spot last year and hope it works out.

Personally, I never liked Randolph's game and am not really excited he's comiing here. But, he will be easier to trade than either Frye or Francis. Perhaps mid-season for a big deal. He's 25 and plenty of teams who want to get into the playoffs will need his post presence.

Another typical move to increase the "pieces."
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6/29/2007  10:50 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by misterearl:

fish.mike - if you want to analyze it in context we got destroyed at PF last year. Lee's rebounding was the only thing we had going at that position all year. Zach is a monster upgrade as a starter both scoring and on the boards. He's got a good face up game so its not an impossible pairing w/ Curry. Not ideal, but in context the Knicks got much better at a position that was a weakness last year.
Hard to debate that no?

I agree totally with this. Zach is a dynamic offensive player, who can shoot, drive to a closer spot on the floor and score moving, post up, I mean in terms of offensive skills, he does everything well, except drive all the way to the hoop, and shoot 3 pointers. Although he is not super fast or athletic, he is elusive, and his game is skills based, not athleticism based. Offensively he is as complete a package as you could hope for in a big man. Quite simply, He is a dominating player, I remember the first time I saw him play I was blown away and asked my friend who is this cat I never heard of him and hes sick!! Not only that, he is a beast on the boards. People don't like Zach, he has some baggage, but I always wanted him on the team and I'm happy we have him.

I love D. Lee as a player, but the fanboyness surrounding him went beyond his skill on the court. I said the same thing about Nate when he first came here. WHy they both enjoyed it is irrelevant, the point is it went beyond their ability to impact games. We just got a dominant player, we should be excited about the possibilities. His game and Curry's are not te same, ZR is dynamic, Curry is static, their games can very easily compliment each others.


Just for the sake of conversation, I posit that the reason people went so gaga for those guys were they were a breath of fresh air and consistency when so many others were lost in a dark cloud, especially in the Brown era, but also to start last season. The same held true for Balkman when he got his time. Those guys never needed reasons to be up for a game, or excuses for being down, they played the same all-out way every time. The exceptions were when Nate let his antics get in the way, and he lost a lot of luster for it.

Lee's cred didn't rise last year because he was white (not saying you suggested it was,) it was because he evidenced himself as a good passer and on the court leader who also competed at the top of the league in rebounding and established himself as the soph MVP to garner national recognition. IOW, it wasn't smoke and mirrors or cosmetic features. However, even his admirers gave him knocks when he complained about LB, playing time, or his role on the team.

Knicks fans are simply tired of under-achievers, egos, excuse makers, strugglers, projects and the like; we're desperate for guys who show up ready to play every game,m who are willing to be coached, and who save nothing for another day. It's a pretty level field in that way.
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6/29/2007  10:50 AM
I like both the trade, which prings us one of the best 4's out there, and the pick.

Brush off those fickle haters, fellas. They don't matter. Let 'em cry.

Give them this:

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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6/29/2007  10:55 AM
Posted by efw:

I think you could see the gameplan last year was to have a PF who could play out at the perimeter while Curry's on the blocks. Curry has no face up game. Zach has a bit of one. He can take his man off the dribble and hit a consistent 12 footer. They'll probably just plug him into Frye's spot last year and hope it works out.

Personally, I never liked Randolph's game and am not really excited he's comiing here. But, he will be easier to trade than either Frye or Francis. Perhaps mid-season for a big deal. He's 25 and plenty of teams who want to get into the playoffs will need his post presence.

Another typical move to increase the "pieces."


The thing is, they played Frye beyond his range last year and I think he has longer range than Zach. Frye was misused, IMO, so if they simply plug Zach into that role I'd expect the same for him.

BTW, will Eddy still be working on his jumper now?


[Edited by - BlueSeats on 06-29-2007 10:56 AM]
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6/29/2007  10:58 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by efw:

I think you could see the gameplan last year was to have a PF who could play out at the perimeter while Curry's on the blocks. Curry has no face up game. Zach has a bit of one. He can take his man off the dribble and hit a consistent 12 footer. They'll probably just plug him into Frye's spot last year and hope it works out.

Personally, I never liked Randolph's game and am not really excited he's comiing here. But, he will be easier to trade than either Frye or Francis. Perhaps mid-season for a big deal. He's 25 and plenty of teams who want to get into the playoffs will need his post presence.

Another typical move to increase the "pieces."


The thing is, they played Frye beyond his range last year and I think he has longer range than Zach. Frye was misused, IMO, so if they simply plug Zach into that role I'd expect the same for him.

BTW, will Eddy still be working on his jumper now?


[Edited by - BlueSeats on 06-29-2007 10:56 AM]

True, Frye was pushed a little far out. But part of that was because he had zero quickness. He needed that space to get his shot off. At least Zach can blow by most PFs.
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6/29/2007  11:03 AM
Blueseats - calling someone a "crybaby" is not a personal attack.

It's an attention grabber. A compelling headline to get the creative juices flowing. A thought starter, as it were.

evidently it worked, right?

it's only basketball

I'm with hardcoreknicksfan. Have a drink

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6/29/2007  11:16 AM
One man's trash is another mans treasure

That may explain why they let him go but not why they let him go *for so little*. If he really was such a good player, you'd think they could get something decent for him.

bonn - Channing Frye may have been considered by Portland a better potential player than some on this board. Steve Francis, given the minutes and extra love, could also be of help on the court.

I consider it an intruguing deal for both teams.

Zack is 260. Eddy is 280.
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6/29/2007  11:17 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Blueseats - calling someone a "crybaby" is not a personal attack.

It's an attention grabber. A compelling headline to get the creative juices flowing. A thought starter, as it were.

I see, calling people a "crybaby" isn't a personal attack but you accuse me of "snippy, junior high school cheerleader personal attacks" for the crime of asking you to "spare us the "who me" nonsense when guys like TMS and nyk4 "misconstrue" your intentions?"

You never want to talk basketball, it's all agenda for you. You're the biggest hypocrite on the site.

I'm done. My apologies to the moderators for taking earl's troll bait.
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6/29/2007  11:19 AM

hypocrites-r-us

hey blusseats - you think Wilson Chandler will make the rotation?



[Edited by - misterearl on 06-29-2007 11:23 AM]
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6/29/2007  11:23 AM
Posted by misterearl:

hypocrites-r-us

hey blusseats - you think Wilson Chandler will make the rotation?

Make the roster, yes. The rotation, no.

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6/29/2007  11:23 AM
BlueSeats - you think Mardy Collins will make the rotation?
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6/29/2007  11:24 AM
BlueSeats - you think Balkman deserves significant (20+) minutes?
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6/29/2007  11:25 AM
Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - you think Mardy Collins will make the rotation?

What difference does it make, these conversations never go anywhere.

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6/29/2007  11:27 AM
the conversation only goes nowhere because you're too uptight

relax a bit. breath in some oxygen and allow your brain to think about only basketball

yes... that's it...

feel the positive orange and blue sensations wash across your consciousness

thank about Summer at the beach

doesn't that feel better?
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6/29/2007  11:28 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by misterearl:

Blueseats - calling someone a "crybaby" is not a personal attack.

It's an attention grabber. A compelling headline to get the creative juices flowing. A thought starter, as it were.

I see, calling people a "crybaby" isn't a personal attack but you accuse me of "snippy, junior high school cheerleader personal attacks" for the crime of asking you to "spare us the "who me" nonsense when guys like TMS and nyk4 "misconstrue" your intentions?"

You never want to talk basketball, it's all agenda for you. You're the biggest hypocrite on the site.

I'm done. My apologies to the moderators for taking earl's troll bait.

Blue, I really appreciate speaking up for me as well as TMS, but it's not worth it with Earl. It's the same garbage over and over with him.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06-29-2007 11:38 AM]
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