Posted by OldFan:
No one gets up to play EC

Second (and this is a big problem) you include Free Throw Attempts as separate from Field Goal Attempts. Issue here is that you are essentially counting attempts twice, as missed/made shots attempted while being fouled count in the fga/fgm numbers.

Posted by RemBee76:

Not a formula of my own choosing, Martin, but one that means quite literally "Points/Possession".

Why would we count made shots off of fouls but not missed ones?

Posted by RemBee76:

Posted by OldFan:

No way is EC a better offensive player then Yao - so what's the point of your stats.

The point of the stats, old fan, is that, "yes way", EC is a comparable offensive player to Yao (no one said better).

Posted by Michael6835:

I vote NO. You people put way, way too much value in David Lee. Don't get me wrong, I love Lee and love his game. He is definately good at what he does, what he does is rebound and hustle like hell. You always need a guy like that on a championship team. However, his skills are limited in the offensive set and he can't play defense on the 3 position and definately isn't atheletic enough to D the 4 positions that can face up. Again, I love DLee, but let's stop making him out to be the next big thing. So stop with the I'll trade Curry, if we keep Lee.

On to Frye, Frye has shown us nothing for us to have as much faith in him as some of you do. You go as far to say that Frye should play better at the 5 than he did at the 4. The problem wasn't his physical skillset, the problem was all in his mind. When his head was in the game, he was good, if he had an off game, who knows what we would get. So how is keeping him an option ? Curry is a lock for close to 20 ppg and is guaranteed to make it to the foul line and draw double teams.

I understand many of you are biased against him and don't like him for what ever reason, but please be objective in your statements. They are many things Curry needs to improve on and their are many important things that he brings to the table. The fact that he improved last year is something big, it wasn't a contract year, it was however a breakout year. The fact that you are willing to trade away a center that is on the cusp of averaging 20 and 10 to start over and train somebody to do exactly what Curry does now is just crazy. For me it discredits every thing you say. I'm glad IT isn't thinking along those lines.


btw, I'm not making Curry out to be something he is not, however, I do recognize what he is capable of doing and what he brings to the table. I feel he is good enough to improve and good enough to work with.

[Edited by - michael6835 on 06-20-2007 9:19 PM]

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by Michael6835:

I vote NO. You people put way, way too much value in David Lee. Don't get me wrong, I love Lee and love his game. He is definately good at what he does, what he does is rebound and hustle like hell. You always need a guy like that on a championship team. However, his skills are limited in the offensive set and he can't play defense on the 3 position and definately isn't atheletic enough to D the 4 positions that can face up. Again, I love DLee, but let's stop making him out to be the next big thing. So stop with the I'll trade Curry, if we keep Lee.

On to Frye, Frye has shown us nothing for us to have as much faith in him as some of you do. You go as far to say that Frye should play better at the 5 than he did at the 4. The problem wasn't his physical skillset, the problem was all in his mind. When his head was in the game, he was good, if he had an off game, who knows what we would get. So how is keeping him an option ? Curry is a lock for close to 20 ppg and is guaranteed to make it to the foul line and draw double teams.

I understand many of you are biased against him and don't like him for what ever reason, but please be objective in your statements. They are many things Curry needs to improve on and their are many important things that he brings to the table. The fact that he improved last year is something big, it wasn't a contract year, it was however a breakout year. The fact that you are willing to trade away a center that is on the cusp of averaging 20 and 10 to start over and train somebody to do exactly what Curry does now is just crazy. For me it discredits every thing you say. I'm glad IT isn't thinking along those lines.


btw, I'm not making Curry out to be something he is not, however, I do recognize what he is capable of doing and what he brings to the table. I feel he is good enough to improve and good enough to work with.

[Edited by - michael6835 on 06-20-2007 9:19 PM]

Eddy is an offensive option for 20-25 min. To be a plus player he need to have defensive PF and guards around him to cover his a..ss on defense.
At best he can compensate his deficiences by scoring and make others open by commanding double teams. But than again the team should have guys to score from the perimeter to take advantage of this
Lee is a plus player and he is not required anybody to be anything for him. So he is already better that Eddy after only 2 years in NBA (Eddy is still in no man land after 7). If Lee will add to this (and I am sure he will) he will be in another league that Eddy.
Can Eddy come to play in shape, defend, rebound, block shoth, defend the paint? Who knows.
If he will actually start doing this I will change my mind on him.

Ive seen the several people on this board state that Curry has played 7 years in the nba. Curry is still only 24 years old. He must have been the nbas only 17 year old player for that to be true.

Posted by Bonn1997:

So it's taken Eddy six not seven years to become the rebounder, passer, defender, and shot blocker that he is. There's a distinction without a difference.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bonn1997:

So it's taken Eddy six not seven years to become the rebounder, passer, defender, and shot blocker that he is. There's a distinction without a difference.

There are other Centers his age that WISH they could avg 20 a game, while being the focal point of every teams defense. When we finally get the proper outside shooting you'll all see just how good he really is. For much of the year we had nothing outside and even when we had some shooting, the offense was in it's infancy. Curry is just now starting to learn the nuances of the passing game as were the rest of the team. Frye, Jared, Lee and many others weren't able to knock down the many open looks they had. it was Curry that made those open looks possible. When we get it right this guy is gonna be an All Star.