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tomverve
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6/17/2007  5:25 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

Kobe Makes Bold Statement On His Site
17th June, 2007 - 4:38 pm
KB24.com -

On Sunday, Kobe Bryant used his website to make a clear statement on his desire to be traded.

''The more I thought about the future, the more I became convinced that the Lakers and me just have two different visions for the future. The Lakers are pursuing a longer-term plan that is different from what Dr. Buss shared with me at the time I re-signed as a free agent. I have seen that plan unfold for the last three years and watched great trade opportunities come and go, and have seen free agents passed on. That has led to the Lakers not winning a playoff series. All of that was frustrating in itself, but then, this week to have someone "inside" the Laker organization try to blame me in the media for us not being a contender right now -- that is what brought me to my current position today.

''I want it to be clear that I still love, with all my heart, the Laker Legacy. From Mikan to West to Goodrich to Wilt to Kareem to Magic. That will never change. And the support my family and I have gotten from Lakers fans is undeniably the best. I will also always believe that.

''But, now there is a new road ahead. I am gonna keep grindin and keep workin to get back to competing for Championships. Sometimes the trek up the mountain is tough. But, I know we'll get there.''

This posting has been on his website for over 2 weeks now. Bad journalism from ESPN.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-24-134/Kobe-Bryant-Statement--New-Road-Ahead.html
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6/17/2007  5:30 PM
Posted by Anji:

Well tom has beeen talking about replacing our D and rebounding

I've been talking about replacing the rebounding we would lose by trading Lee and friends. That's a legit concern since rebounding is this team's only strength. Anything we gain from getting Kobe would be offset to some degree by losing our one team strength.

Obviously there is not much in the way of defense that would need replacing since we don't have good D anyway. Kobe would likely help there. But it's still a legit concern. We're one of the worst defensive teams in the league, so adding one SG who plays good D isn't going to cover all our shortcomings. And to get out of the east we would need at least above average D, which isn't a given.
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6/17/2007  5:55 PM
Posted by bitty41:

Any smart GM would think real hard about adding this prima donna to his team especially if he has a team on the up and up.


Kobe doesn't give a damn about his teammates, coaches, the organization, the fans and winning. If for some insane reason he demands a trade to NY he will be exposing himself for the complete fraud he truly is. He claims he wants to play for a team thats looking to win a Championship in the near future yet you demand a trade to a team that hasn't won a playoff series in over 6 years and hasn't won a title in 20 plus years?

First of all, we're talking about a guy who has three rings.

Second of all, we're talking about the best player on the planet.

Third, most great athletes have, as you say "Prima donna" attitudes. Look no further than Jordan.

Fourth, you say he doesn't care about winning? Thats nonsense. Ever watch how hard he competes? The guys has three rings, so maybe if he cared more about winning, he'd have 5 or 6 by now.

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6/17/2007  6:31 PM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by Anji:

Well tom has beeen talking about replacing our D and rebounding

I've been talking about replacing the rebounding we would lose by trading Lee and friends. That's a legit concern since rebounding is this team's only strength. Anything we gain from getting Kobe would be offset to some degree by losing our one team strength.

Obviously there is not much in the way of defense that would need replacing since we don't have good D anyway. Kobe would likely help there. But it's still a legit concern. We're one of the worst defensive teams in the league, so adding one SG who plays good D isn't going to cover all our shortcomings. And to get out of the east we would need at least above average D, which isn't a given.

Adding the best shooting guard in the game, not a shooting guard. Kobe is a defensive all pro, why are you selling it like Peja is coming to the knicks. David Lees rebounds can't off set adding the one of the top 3 playersin basketball......... he ain't that good.

If the David is our "defense" because of his rebounding, that is easly replaced with being able to play balkman and a banger at power Forward. I think you are aking a mountain out of nothing. The knicks would be on of the better defensive teams in the east easy if they add Kobe.

[Edited by - anji on 06-17-2007 6:33 PM]
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6/17/2007  6:32 PM
First of all, we're talking about a guy who has three rings.

Thank you Shaquille O'Neal
Second of all, we're talking about the best player on the planet.

Arguably its so hard to keep track these days one minute its Kobe, than it usually becomes Lebron later on because Kobe has been bounced from the playoffs, and than everyone falls back on Mr. Reliable Timmy Duncan.

Third, most great athletes have, as you say "Prima donna" attitudes. Look no further than Jordan.

How many times did you hear Jordan, Magic, or Bird openly blast their management and teammates? How many times did these guys demand trades?
Fourth, you say he doesn't care about winning? Thats nonsense. Ever watch how hard he competes? The guys has three rings, so maybe if he cared more about winning, he'd have 5 or 6 by now.

Kobe has those rings because he had the fortune of playing with Shaq during his prime period. They don't beat the Spurs, Trailblazers, or early on the Jazz without Shaq in the middle anyone who believes otherwise needs to remove their head from Kobe's butt.


No great athlete stands around blaming others people for a team's failure. Lets face it Kobe wanted this Lakers team to be his and he cann't get the job done. He pulls selfish act after selfish act everything from the disappearing act in last year's playoffs to this year's complaining the press about his sucky teammates. Yea this guy has winner written all over him.
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6/17/2007  11:22 PM
Kobe was carrying the whole team on his back. When he tried to play a team game those guys would come up small and they'd lose.

As far as the Knicks rebounding I think that people are making too much of that. I believe that we'd still have plenty of rebounding with the players we'd have left. Besides this isn't about a single season, but the next 5 or so seasons. I'm sure that isiah could find a way to add another rebounder along the way.

Defensively we'd still have Balkman & Mardy and they are the future of our D. We'd still have Q who we know can defend and Steph has picked up his D as well. Throw Kobe into the mix and that's a good group of defenders.

I actually can't believe what i've been reading. Have some of us simply not been watching what this guy does? How can you miss the things he does on the floor and not see how that would help a team to win, if it has any good degree of talent? Kobe on the Knicks would bring balance to the team and a winning attitude. You'd see an entirely different swagger from this team if he came here.
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6/17/2007  11:25 PM
Kobe is a great player, one of the best. If we got him and were able to keep Curry and Marbs, I think we would be in great shape.

I don't think we have the assets, but considering Kobe has limited it down to three teams and there's almost no chance he gets traded to Phoenix, I'd say we have a minor shot. Let's see what happens.
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6/18/2007  12:01 AM

It's usually at this point I step in and say we should not be starphucking and we should look to build around the young players we have..Get under the cap in a few years, yada, yada...That said, Kobe is a tremendous talent and he is definitely worth abandoning your youth movement and positive salary cap moves ...That also said, let me say this now..Kobe is an absolute NUT!!!..U think Marbs is a head case, wait 'til Kobe hit Broadway...U don't know the meaning of primadonna until that guy grabs a hold of your team and franchise...Be fore warned!!!
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6/18/2007  12:04 AM
I kinda agree with Tom here. Kobe is a great individual and team defender but just adding him to the lineup don't make up for the fact that Marbury, Balk (in this scenario), Curry and whatever at the PF have even an iota of a clue how to play team D.

If we could get Kobe, then why couldn't we get Artest? Some believe he would be easier to get anyway. It would be taking another chance on a head case, but if Kobe can do what jordan did with Rodman, when they played together on the bulls, it might be worth it. Artest doesn't even have to worry about scoring. Just be the anchor of D. and Kobe & company can take care of the rest. Again, Artest would be another good thing as far as timing. About the same age as the rest of these guys who would be ending they're careers around the same time. Still keeps pace of starting fresh, when they all go out together.
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6/18/2007  12:34 AM
Just posted on Kobe's "KB24" blog;

June 17 :: 2007
The Truth: A new road ahead
Wassup y'all ...
Man, today is one of those surreal days for me and my family. When you love something as much as I love the Lakers its hard to even imagine thinking about being elsewhere. But, the ONE THING I will never sacrifice when it comes to basketball is WINNING. That is plain and simply what it's all about. It's in my DNA. It's what pushes me to work as hard as I do. It's my daily passion and pursuit.

The more I thought about the future, the more I became convinced that the Lakers and me just have two different visions for the future. The Lakers are pursuing a longer-term plan that is different from what Dr. Buss shared with me at the time I re-signed as a free agent. I have seen that plan unfold for the last three years and watched great trade opportunities come and go, and have seen free agents passed on. That has led to the Lakers not winning a playoff series. All of that was frustrating in itself, but then, this week to have someone "inside" the Laker organization try to blame me in the media for us not being a contender right now -- that is what brought me to my current position today.

I want it to be clear that I still love, with all my heart, the Laker Legacy. From Mikan to West to Goodrich to Wilt to Kareem to Magic. That will never change. And the support my family and I have gotten from Lakers fans is undeniably the best. I will also always believe that.

But, now there is a new road ahead. I am gonna keep grindin and keep workin to get back to competing for Championships. Sometimes the trek up the mountain is tough. But, I know we'll get there.

Strength and Honor,
Kobe
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I just went over there and read this. His site sucks! How can someone who commited adultry use the term 'strength & honor'? He could have been much greater as a person, if he had just played it all straight. I still hope we can get him, but this latest letter makes him sound indecisive. He really talks like this? He sounds like one of us idiots!
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6/18/2007  9:19 AM
I think that you have to include Marbury because he is at least a name around the nba, and thats very important to people in LA. You need to throw in david lee, channing frye, nate, and our number 1 to even get them to listen.

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6/18/2007  9:40 AM
Was that Kobe in his latest blog or was that Nixluva with the random capitalized words?
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6/18/2007  10:19 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by bitty41:

Any smart GM would think real hard about adding this prima donna to his team especially if he has a team on the up and up.
I agree. I'd pass on him if I ran most teams. The only team that should try to add him is a veteran team that is one player away from the championship.

the only team that should try to add him is a team that wants to make money... which pretty much includes every team in the NBA... beging the best player in the NBA doesn't hurt his case either i'm guessing.

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6/18/2007  10:39 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Was that Kobe in his latest blog or was that Nixluva with the random capitalized words?

I've never understood why some people have such a hard time with emphasizing your points using caps. It doesn't make it any harder to read and it does draw your attention to the words you want to bring out, as you would if you were speaking to someone in person. The other way is to use bold type, but for some of us it's quicker to just use caps. besides I actually increase the volume of key words when i'm speaking or I may change the pitch or pace of those words in order to emphasize a point. I do quite a lot of public speaking and that's just the way it's done. Perhaps i'll just use bold type from now on, since it's so distracting to some of you.

Anyway, the idea that we don't have a good shot at landing Kobe is just wrong. In the 1st place, it's now very apparent that he wants to get out of there as his vision and that of Buss and the Lakers are totally different. LA may not want to trade Kobe, but if they stop and think about it, it's the smart thing to do. They already let Shaq go which was the real turning point in their move away from contending. This last few years has just been a big money grab by keeping Kobe and giving the fans a false sense of hope that they could get back to glory. Now they need to just finish what they started when they traded Shaq, end this and start over. Chi has better talent, but not as much depth, so if they trade some of those young players they won't have much behind that to win with. NY has the best combination of assets. Youth, tho not as good as Chi, but plenty of it. Picks, Cash, ability to absorb contract and Kobe would love to play here. I think our chances of getting him are pretty high. I didn't before, but now that this rift between Kobe and LA has been growing, I feel our chances increasing every day.
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6/18/2007  11:37 AM
Nix, it was a joke, hence the smilie at the end. Take a joke dude.
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6/18/2007  12:04 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by VDesai:

Chicago may be less likely to decide they want throw the house at Kobe when they have some other really good trade candidates they could also potentially acquire at cheaper cost.

i know it's a reach, but personally i think Kobe really in his heart wants to come play in NY... why go to Chicago & play in Michael's huge shadow the rest of his career? really, what could Kobe possibly accomplish in Chicago that Michael already hasn't? on the other hand, if he comes to NY & leads this franchise to a championship, he'll be an icon in NY for the rest of his life... i think the draw of NY is huge for Kobe.
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6/18/2007  12:06 PM
TMS I AGREE kobe wants to bring a championship to a team that hasnt a chance for a while like the KNICKS.
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