What is racist in this? This all known facts.

All races will eventually mesh together anyway which is good.

Kids from mixed race parents are on average more talented and healthy.
They also are nice looking, especially women.

And yep… It is a bit sarcastic because this discussion in kind off stupid…

Posted by Marv:

Posted by tomverve:

Fair enough. I'm not trying to put a value spin on this or insinuate racism. Though I remain skeptical that preference due to race is driven only by a "I can relate to that guy" kind of thing.

what do you think it's driven by?

Posted by oohah:

What is racist in this? This all known facts.

No it isn't. By the way, the biological determining factor for African runners has nothing to do with "hunting in the flatlands", it has to do with living at a high altitude and possibly the sickle-cell condition.

All races will eventually mesh together anyway which is good.

Like in 50,000 years

Kids from mixed race parents are on average more talented and healthy.
They also are nice looking, especially women.

And yep… It is a bit sarcastic because this discussion in kind off stupid…

Frequently.

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The other prejudice part was where you stated that whites "have more stable character.". Sorry buddy that is like saying Africans are "strong animals" and whites are "smart animals".

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TO be fair, humans are animals and can be bred just like any other animal even though nobody likes to admit it. When Jimmy the Greek stated this he was crucified, but it wasn't completely untrue. The Africans who were brought to the Americas (Not just the U.S. but South America, and the Caribbean too.) had to survive the most terrible conditions just to get here, and once they were here, were subjected to generations of incredibly harsh treatment and work. The theory is that the weaker persons died and the stronger ones survived leaving a physically stronger group of people.

True? It could be.

However, if it is true, it doesn't manifest itself in every person and there are other determining factors such as poverty always seems to produce the best athletes no matter what the race.

Back to David Lee, he does get a pass because he is really hurt. And that is the same reason we should respect Francis playing through pain no matter how much we hate his game.

oohah

I agree with you point but I think you a bit pessimistic about the timing.
In open societies the process is going pretty fast. I was in France and Holland and there are so many race-mixed unions.
They just don’t give a dam about the race thing.
The US society is miles away from being open. We have so much sh…t left from the past and politician and religion “leaders” using the race card all over the place. This is equally applied to white and black politicians and religious bustards
There are pure people among all races and white pure people are not less pure that black
And black criminals are not less or more criminal that whites

Posted by tomverve:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by tomverve:

Fair enough. I'm not trying to put a value spin on this or insinuate racism. Though I remain skeptical that preference due to race is driven only by a "I can relate to that guy" kind of thing.

what do you think it's driven by?

If preference for players due to race exists, I think it's possible that it's driven at least in part by subconscious value judgments associated with race that one might pick up from society at large. Although not entirely uncontroversial, there is evidence that such subconscious effects exist-- even in white people who might make every conscious effort otherwise, and even in black folks. People are often surprised to find that (at least as measured by this IAT) they have these subconscious effects going on. These effects are opaque to awareness and often at odds with how we consciously choose to act, but nonetheless they may play a role in forming how we perceive the world (e.g., contributing to what extent we like this player or that). To the extent that these effects are unconscious and can be entirely at odds with one's voluntary behavior, I don't think it's really appropriate to call them "racist" effects per se, though of course they are undesirable nonetheless.

Of course that's just speculation. I could be wrong about that, or preference due to race could be driven by some other factor not considered here. But to just say that whenever race plays a role in how much a fan likes a player it's just due to the fact that the race helps him relate to the player-- I think that view is optimistic and common sensical but probably naive.

Posted by Bippity10:

Again reading this post, what person has posted the world is color blind. If you read the post most have suggested that color is probably a factor in picking a favorite player. They are jsut wondering if that is as big an issue as it should be.

I guess I will need to see examples of how Lee is being treated differently. I guess i"m not at the garden every night but to me it seems like Balkman has raised a pretty big buzz the last couple nights.

It also seems to me that if marbs does "just shut his mouth and play" he seems to get a pretty hefty response fromt he fans. His first games here he received a standing ovation just for wearing a uniform. It wasn't until he called himself the greatest, pouted on the bench and fought his teammates that people turned on him.

We can whine and cry about the color issues all we want. But the fact of the matter is this. It's a league of black guys. White people fill the stands. When a white player can play, white fans will gravitate to him. Because they are the majority this will create a buzz. Call it racism. I call it human nature. Not sure why anyone is surprised by this. Shocked and hurt? Why. No different than being the only black guy at a hockey game and quietly rooting for the rare black face to do well. It all has to do with color and it's a fact of life.

I think there is definitely a difference in the way blacks and whites are percieved on the court. I agree with TomVerve that this is a factor in this world and on the basketball court. But what this has to do with Lee's injury and SAS' show, I have no idea. It was a misplaced moment to bring up this topic.