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2/16/2007  12:04 AM
yo, i was always interested in Greek mythology... imagine a religion that you can worship a hot, nymphomanic chick like Aphrodite!
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2/16/2007  12:05 AM
Posted by TMS:

yo, i was always interested in Greek mythology... imagine a religion that you can worship a hot, nymphomanic chick like Aphrodite!

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2/16/2007  12:07 AM
A few things.

First is my wife won't let me phuch her in the ass. Never did and never have. It has no religious meaning to it other than she thinks it would hurt like hell.

Second is if "God" judged gays then why in gods name is Provincetown, Mass still in existance?

Why are there no "biblical" things to add to the bible anymore? Why has all the cool things god did not written about anymore? why are there still Gay people born all the time?

I can understand "faith" as a belief in something unsubstantiated, but using it as a crutch to force the will onto others I doubt was the true jest of what Jesus had in mind. Sounds like a bunch of grumpy power hungry men who look to dominate women and get their way.

Somethings never change.

As far as being afraid of Gay men around children lets get one thing straight, pedophiles and perverts come in all different colors, shapes and sizes. And the perversions from priests to preachers is well documented as being top predators over the years. Even there you have "men of god" doing unspeakable acts to children. Are they "Gay" or just Phuched?

I find our society is far more dangerous with rapists and pedophiles. Fathers and grandfathers molesting children, especially boys is freakin wacked and being "gay" has little to do with it.

Where is the bible on that $hit? What is more dangerous to society? Creepy dad slipping into his daughters bed a nite? Or few flamers trying to decorate the apartment and make it festive?
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2/16/2007  12:10 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

In The Bible book of Romans Homosexuality is condemned. Read the chapter 1 vs 26-32 it doesn't mence words if you happen to have a modern day translation.

The problem facing humans today, we don't live by a written moral code.

that code of morals was written by men to tell other men how to live their lives... that holds true for any religion... u can say that Divine influence made these prophets & saints write what they did in scripture, but really the modern day Bible, Koran, or whatever other manual of religion you choose to live your life by is made up of a collection of hundreds of texts gathered up from many different sources... to say that this collection of texts is the end all & be all of how everyone should live their lives is very assumptive & arrogant... just what makes 1 person's religion any better than another person's religion? if it works for you & you're happy with it, & it doesn't do any harm to anyone else, shouldn't that be the only thing that matters to you?... the same intolerance of homosexuality & social deviants that Christians display today is the same type of intolerance that Christians were persecuted by for a large chunk of written history... there's hardly any segment of society that hasn't at one point or another throughout the course of history NOT been persecuted against... it doesn't make any 1 segment of society any better than another.


I'm going off of what mankind has today in written form. Yes there is tons of falsehoods out there and many different translations but just going off the 1 book that takes things back to the beginnings of morals I'll still go with that book at the end of the day. We're headed towards all government turning on religion the way things are going. Which leads me to believe the further we get away from the book that has principles only to benefit ourselves the worst things will continue to get. We're pretty much a free agent society alienating ourselves from God. The constitution has more authority than a bible and that should tell you something isn't right because isn't the constitution a man made document?
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2/16/2007  12:11 AM
Nalod, what happened in Provincetown?
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2/16/2007  12:14 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Nalod, what happened in Provincetown?

Provincetown is the Chelsea of Massachusetts.

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2/16/2007  12:14 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Nalod, what happened in Provincetown?

What happens there stays there!
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2/16/2007  12:16 AM
Posted by oohah:

Christianity is a middle-aged religion. Islam is still fairly young. The Greek and Roman mythology pre-date Christianity by a good bit, as do many other religions, including Judaism, Hinduism (Possibly the oldest surviving religion), "Pagan" faiths and many more. Thor is Nordic. I believe that pre-dates Christianity as well.

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oh you know what i just realized? when i talked about Christianity I was automatically thinking about Judaism too. because the old testament is part of the Christian Bible too. so what I really meant was that I didn't know that there were religions older than Judaism that had scriptures.
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2/16/2007  12:18 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

In The Bible book of Romans Homosexuality is condemned. Read the chapter 1 vs 26-32 it doesn't mence words if you happen to have a modern day translation.

The problem facing humans today, we don't live by a written moral code.

that code of morals was written by men to tell other men how to live their lives... that holds true for any religion... u can say that Divine influence made these prophets & saints write what they did in scripture, but really the modern day Bible, Koran, or whatever other manual of religion you choose to live your life by is made up of a collection of hundreds of texts gathered up from many different sources... to say that this collection of texts is the end all & be all of how everyone should live their lives is very assumptive & arrogant... just what makes 1 person's religion any better than another person's religion? if it works for you & you're happy with it, & it doesn't do any harm to anyone else, shouldn't that be the only thing that matters to you?... the same intolerance of homosexuality & social deviants that Christians display today is the same type of intolerance that Christians were persecuted by for a large chunk of written history... there's hardly any segment of society that hasn't at one point or another throughout the course of history NOT been persecuted against... it doesn't make any 1 segment of society any better than another.


I'm going off of what mankind has today in written form. Yes there is tons of falsehoods out there and many different translations but just going off the 1 book that takes things back to the beginnings of morals I'll still go with that book at the end of the day. We're headed towards all government turning on religion the way things are going. Which leads me to believe the further we get away from the book that has principles only to benefit ourselves the worst things will continue to get. We're pretty much a free agent society alienating ourselves from God. The constitution has more authority than a bible and that should tell you something isn't right because isn't the constitution a man made document?

the Bible may be the book that takes things back to the beginnings of your morals, but that doesn't mean other people need to live by those same morals, that's my point... & whose God are we alienating ourselves from? your God? my God? who has the right to tell someone else what set of morals is the right one to live by? as long as your personal beliefs, code of ethics, morals, or sexual orientation doesn't infringe on anyone else's right to exercise their own, shouldn't that be enough? it's hard for me to argue on this topic... i don't really have a set standard of morals that i live by... i believe in 'live & let live' pretty much, although there are certain things i don't believe in, but would never assume to tell someone else that they need to share in those same views. (not saying you're doing that... just saying in general)
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2/16/2007  12:20 AM
Haha Oohah Nalod, thankyou for clearing that up.
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2/16/2007  12:22 AM
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LOL! that pic always cracks me up!


here's another good one.



[Edited by - TMS on 02-16-2007 12:22 AM]
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2/16/2007  12:26 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

In The Bible book of Romans Homosexuality is condemned. Read the chapter 1 vs 26-32 it doesn't mence words if you happen to have a modern day translation.

The problem facing humans today, we don't live by a written moral code.

that code of morals was written by men to tell other men how to live their lives... that holds true for any religion... u can say that Divine influence made these prophets & saints write what they did in scripture, but really the modern day Bible, Koran, or whatever other manual of religion you choose to live your life by is made up of a collection of hundreds of texts gathered up from many different sources... to say that this collection of texts is the end all & be all of how everyone should live their lives is very assumptive & arrogant... just what makes 1 person's religion any better than another person's religion? if it works for you & you're happy with it, & it doesn't do any harm to anyone else, shouldn't that be the only thing that matters to you?... the same intolerance of homosexuality & social deviants that Christians display today is the same type of intolerance that Christians were persecuted by for a large chunk of written history... there's hardly any segment of society that hasn't at one point or another throughout the course of history NOT been persecuted against... it doesn't make any 1 segment of society any better than another.


I'm going off of what mankind has today in written form. Yes there is tons of falsehoods out there and many different translations but just going off the 1 book that takes things back to the beginnings of morals I'll still go with that book at the end of the day. We're headed towards all government turning on religion the way things are going. Which leads me to believe the further we get away from the book that has principles only to benefit ourselves the worst things will continue to get. We're pretty much a free agent society alienating ourselves from God. The constitution has more authority than a bible and that should tell you something isn't right because isn't the constitution a man made document?

the Bible may be the book that takes things back to the beginnings of your morals, but that doesn't mean other people need to live by those same morals, that's my point... & whose God are we alienating ourselves from? your God? my God? who has the right to tell someone else what set of morals is the right one to live by? as long as your personal beliefs, code of ethics, morals, or sexual orientation doesn't infringe on anyone else's right to exercise their own, shouldn't that be enough? it's hard for me to argue on this topic... i don't really have a set standard of morals that i live by... i believe in 'live & let live' pretty much, although there are certain things i don't believe in, but would never assume to tell someone else that they need to share in those same views. (not saying you're doing that... just saying in general)


I never mentioned specific morals did I? Of course I'm debating from the side of Christianity. Besides Principles are even more important.
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Posted by newyorknewyork:

Being a born again christian. I can't support people being gay. You shouldn't hate anyone though. Truthfully I wouldn't WANT to be around anyone whos gay. But if I was, (and I am at work since I have a few gay co workers) I wouldn't and don't treat them any differently. Though it would/is allways be in the back of my mind that there gay.

Being gay goes against Gods will. Being black doesn't go against Gods will. But it isn't my job to judge people only God has that right. I hope people being gay doesn't become the *norm*. But I also don't want people being treated unfairly because there gay.

NYNY, I'm not questioning your christianity, nor your faith, b/c I know I wouldn't want my faith to be questioned. However, if you're going to say "It goes against God's will to be gay" then you have to say that about everything that's in the bible, including swearing off, having pre maritial sex, and about a million other things. If that's not the case though, it's an invalid arguement, as many people seem to present.
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2/16/2007  1:17 AM
With all this being said, I think Nalod presents a great arguement in terms of this. So many people in our society are afraid of exposing themselves or their children to the gay people of the community, yet they wont even open their eyes. The paranoya about gay people (Or any other person or group for that matter) is far more dangerous than what the paranoya is actually about, because in the end, it's the people filled with the hate and paraynoya who are gonna commit the forceful acts.

Homosexuality is not a religion, and the gays of the community are not out to impose this lifestyle on other people. They live their lives, maybe in weird as all hell ways, but they do it, and they're not out to spread the gayness of the world, just as we straight people are not out to spread heterosexuality. The homos and heteros are out to find a partner for themselves and that's all.

This society has a hell of a lot more to worry about, than gay people.
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2/16/2007  2:16 AM
To me, the religious debate comes down to whether you believe reason precedes faith or vice versa. I would argue that reason allows you to conceive of faith in the first place and is, thus, a higher instrument of morality. Unfortunately, its not an argument that leaves much room for maneuvering. Those that cite the conversion to Christianity as the starting point towards salvation tautologically equate morality with faith. Even more maddening is the fact that these religious advocates define faith as a priveleged experience, indefinable and irrefutable by reason. In other words, they're right because they know they're right. Conversely, not only am I wrong but also, apparently, neglected by God. Its ironic that I'm the one doing the saving when I waive my fees for these people.

There's really not too much else to say. Other than I have quite a bit of respect for Blueseats, TMS, Fishmike and Oohah.
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2/16/2007  2:18 AM
atleast he's honest.
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2/16/2007  3:45 AM
Posted by TMS:


you sure God didn't take a couple bills out of Adam's wallet & buy His creation which He called woman? cuz it sure seems like women take a big chunk out of my wallet every time i meet one.

TELL ME ABOUT IT!!!

Yo, now that I think about it. Its costing me 17% of my pay every 2 weeks just because of my heterosexual pervertion! Let alone the various bitches I tend to meet.

So why not just be Gay. Not a bad idea. I guess I can literally fight the dude for child support. That is just a better deal.

Hey TMS, what you doing later? LMAO!!!
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2/16/2007  4:00 AM
Posted by fishmike:

bibles and religious doctrine is subjective, and because a document says something neither makes it right or a fact. If that were the case the men who flew planes into our buildings were in perfect right to do so as I'm sure they could support their actions to wipe out the infidels with direct quotes from the Qur'an. Now the Qur'an is believed to be the flawless final revelation of God to humanity, valid until the day of the Resurrection so therefore its justified.

Man has been killing man in the name of god since written history. The symptom that always fuels such behavior is fear. What is the source of the bigotry? Where does that fear come from?

The Bible is a good book, but its not the ONLY book. Those who have found god have are the same who have stopped looking for him. Isnt pride the first of the seven deadly sins?

As for my son or daughter being close or best friends with someone who is gay? My god its their choice. I would have the same concerns over such a relationship as I would if they were best friends with a religious zelot. What if your son was best friends with a Muslim? A Jew? An athiest? Would you tolerate that? Would you be afraid your child might one day say "dad, I thank you for all you have shared with me but I believe the true message of god was revealed through Muhammad."
How afraid? Afraid enough you keep them from such relationships?

Where is the line drawn? Why do people say "its not for me to judge" then do just that?

[Edited by - fishmike on 02-15-2007 9:48 PM]

Good post here. I'm just catching up on the convo....
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2/16/2007  4:09 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Fish and Oohah, you guys both made some great posts on this matter. I usually refrain from getting involved in anything but Knicks basketball on this site and this thread is seriously tempting me. I'll stay away for now, we'll see if it lasts, but you guys both made great posts.

Edit: you too TMS

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-15-2007 10:11 PM]

I agree.

Let's not forget isles. He's and equal opportunity hater. Lol
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