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Bonn1997
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1/9/2007  1:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:
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Posted by Elite:

half those players are small forwards

Two of those guys are small forwards, three play both positions...The other 13 are power forwards..

I bet you never see those 13 PF's guarding guys out on the perimeter, because their coaches DO NOT play them at a position that they can't play, which is SF.

Those guys are all good outside shooters...You think they are usually wide open on the perimeter because their defenders are usually camped under the basket??...You guard you man no matter where is is on the court...Does DLee get hives when he is beyond the five feet perimeter of the rim and backboard???


He's not talking about those guys being on the perimeter on offense. He's talking about defense. Their coaches usually don't play them at the SF position or if they are at the SF position, it's against slower SFs.
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1/9/2007  1:26 PM

Bro, no one would kill Lee defense against small forwards if he couldn't stay with them...I'm killing him because at times he doesn't even run out to defend...He leaves them wide open...It's not a case of him getting beat...It's DLee opting to rebound and not guard his man at all...

By the way that is half the story..he is not a good post defender either...

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1/9/2007  1:50 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Bro, no one would kill Lee defense against small forwards if he couldn't stay with them...I'm killing him because at times he doesn't even run out to defend...He leaves them wide open...It's not a case of him getting beat...It's DLee opting to rebound and not guard his man at all...

By the way that is half the story..he is not a good post defender either...


Name 1 PF that you see run out to guard wide open 3's. It doesn't happen.
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1/9/2007  1:50 PM
I also definitely think that Isiah Thomas has told Lee to crash the boards and not worry about anything else because you've never heard one peep out of Isiah about Lee's "horrible" defense.
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1/9/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Bro, no one would kill Lee defense against small forwards if he couldn't stay with them...I'm killing him because at times he doesn't even run out to defend...He leaves them wide open...It's not a case of him getting beat...It's DLee opting to rebound and not guard his man at all...

By the way that is half the story..he is not a good post defender either...


Name 1 PF that you see run out to guard wide open 3's. It doesn't happen.

Bro is you are assigned to hold a guy, you can't say I won't run out to defend because he is a three and I'm a four....

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1/9/2007  1:53 PM
Posted by holfresh:
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Bro, no one would kill Lee defense against small forwards if he couldn't stay with them...I'm killing him because at times he doesn't even run out to defend...He leaves them wide open...It's not a case of him getting beat...It's DLee opting to rebound and not guard his man at all...

By the way that is half the story..he is not a good post defender either...


Name 1 PF that you see run out to guard wide open 3's. It doesn't happen.

Bro is you are assigned to hold a guy, you can't say I won't run out to defend because he is a three and I'm a four....


WHY IS HE GUARDING 3'S!!!!!!!

David Lee is NOT a 3! Your beef should be with Isiah for putting his player in a position to guard someone that he CAN NOT guard.
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1/9/2007  1:56 PM
Maybe thats why Isiah isnt starting Lee at the three... for exactly that reason.
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1/9/2007  1:57 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Bro, no one would kill Lee defense against small forwards if he couldn't stay with them...I'm killing him because at times he doesn't even run out to defend...He leaves them wide open...It's not a case of him getting beat...It's DLee opting to rebound and not guard his man at all...

By the way that is half the story..he is not a good post defender either...


Name 1 PF that you see run out to guard wide open 3's. It doesn't happen.

Bro is you are assigned to hold a guy, you can't say I won't run out to defend because he is a three and I'm a four....


WHY IS HE GUARDING 3'S!!!!!!!

David Lee is NOT a 3! Your beef should be with Isiah for putting his player in a position to guard someone that he CAN NOT guard.

To get him as much playing time as possible...He is limited offensively so Fyre has to be on the court to stretch the defense which Fyre just admitted on SAS show about how is role has changed this year....Would you rather Lee not play?

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1/9/2007  2:02 PM
Posted by holfresh:


To get him as much playing time as possible...He is limited offensively so Fyre has to be on the court to stretch the defense which Fyre just admitted on SAS show about how is role has changed this year....Would you rather Lee not play?


Trust me, Frye is not the reason for Curry's success. He can say whatever he wants but he's not the reason. When Frye was hurt, Curry went through the best stretch of play he's had all year, with that 20point and 30point game streaks, so we know the defense being stretched because of Frye being on the floor isn't the reason for his success.

I have no problem with what's going on and Lee playing the 3, even though he's a PF, he's doing his best and he can only play the position that the coach puts him in. I'm just sick and tired of people ragging on Lee for not getting out to 3point line to stop 3pointers when the guy isn't a 3 and really shouldn't be playing the position to begin with. I can absolutely guarantee you that Isiah has told Lee to crash the boards at all costs and not worry about anything else.
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1/9/2007  3:13 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


To get him as much playing time as possible...He is limited offensively so Fyre has to be on the court to stretch the defense which Fyre just admitted on SAS show about how is role has changed this year....Would you rather Lee not play?


Trust me, Frye is not the reason for Curry's success. He can say whatever he wants but he's not the reason. When Frye was hurt, Curry went through the best stretch of play he's had all year, with that 20point and 30point game streaks, so we know the defense being stretched because of Frye being on the floor isn't the reason for his success.

I have no problem with what's going on and Lee playing the 3, even though he's a PF, he's doing his best and he can only play the position that the coach puts him in. I'm just sick and tired of people ragging on Lee for not getting out to 3point line to stop 3pointers when the guy isn't a 3 and really shouldn't be playing the position to begin with. I can absolutely guarantee you that Isiah has told Lee to crash the boards at all costs and not worry about anything else.

First of all, Frye never calimed he was the reason for Eddy's success...I never claimed Frye was the reason for Eddy's success...Eddy is the reason for Eddy's success...Frye is in the game to stretch..I will guarantee you if Lee could knock down the outside shot consistently he would be our starting power forward...

How could you as a Knick fan not expect lee to play defense of threes because he is a four...Have you lost your mind....

What if I said Curry should try to block the shot of penetrating guards becuase he is not a guard, he is a center...Do you really want to go there...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-09-2007 3:13 PM]
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1/9/2007  3:14 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


To get him as much playing time as possible...He is limited offensively so Fyre has to be on the court to stretch the defense which Fyre just admitted on SAS show about how is role has changed this year....Would you rather Lee not play?


Trust me, Frye is not the reason for Curry's success. He can say whatever he wants but he's not the reason. When Frye was hurt, Curry went through the best stretch of play he's had all year, with that 20point and 30point game streaks, so we know the defense being stretched because of Frye being on the floor isn't the reason for his success.

I have no problem with what's going on and Lee playing the 3, even though he's a PF, he's doing his best and he can only play the position that the coach puts him in. I'm just sick and tired of people ragging on Lee for not getting out to 3point line to stop 3pointers when the guy isn't a 3 and really shouldn't be playing the position to begin with. I can absolutely guarantee you that Isiah has told Lee to crash the boards at all costs and not worry about anything else.

How could you as a Knick fan not expect lee to play defense of threes because he is a four...Have you lost your mind....

What if I said Curry should try to block the shot of penetrating guards becuase he is not a guard, he is a center...Do you really want to go there...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-09-2007 3:13 PM]

That makes absolutely no sense Holfresh. None.
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1/9/2007  3:17 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


To get him as much playing time as possible...He is limited offensively so Fyre has to be on the court to stretch the defense which Fyre just admitted on SAS show about how is role has changed this year....Would you rather Lee not play?


Trust me, Frye is not the reason for Curry's success. He can say whatever he wants but he's not the reason. When Frye was hurt, Curry went through the best stretch of play he's had all year, with that 20point and 30point game streaks, so we know the defense being stretched because of Frye being on the floor isn't the reason for his success.

I have no problem with what's going on and Lee playing the 3, even though he's a PF, he's doing his best and he can only play the position that the coach puts him in. I'm just sick and tired of people ragging on Lee for not getting out to 3point line to stop 3pointers when the guy isn't a 3 and really shouldn't be playing the position to begin with. I can absolutely guarantee you that Isiah has told Lee to crash the boards at all costs and not worry about anything else.

How could you as a Knick fan not expect lee to play defense of threes because he is a four...Have you lost your mind....

What if I said Curry should try to block the shot of penetrating guards becuase he is not a guard, he is a center...Do you really want to go there...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-09-2007 3:13 PM]

That makes absolutely no sense Holfresh. None.

That is my point...It makes no sense to Lee not to hold his man because they are physically suited for other positions....You don't make sense when you say why should Lee run out on 3's when he is really a 4...

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1/9/2007  3:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:


That is my point...It makes no sense to Lee not to hold his man because they are physically suited for other positions....You don't make sense when you say why should Lee run out on 3's when he is really a 4...


Dude, I'm not saying he shouldn't, I'm saying why is he put in a position to do so when it's not something he's ever done? He's a freaking interior player both offensively and defensively, the fact that he's put in the position to be guarding people out on the perimeter is ridiculous. It's not his position.
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1/9/2007  3:35 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Bro, no one would kill Lee defense against small forwards if he couldn't stay with them...I'm killing him because at times he doesn't even run out to defend...He leaves them wide open...It's not a case of him getting beat...It's DLee opting to rebound and not guard his man at all...

By the way that is half the story..he is not a good post defender either...


Name 1 PF that you see run out to guard wide open 3's. It doesn't happen.

Bro is you are assigned to hold a guy, you can't say I won't run out to defend because he is a three and I'm a four....


...year old child with internet access and a keyboard.

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1/9/2007  3:49 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Bro, no one would kill Lee defense against small forwards if he couldn't stay with them...I'm killing him because at times he doesn't even run out to defend...He leaves them wide open...It's not a case of him getting beat...It's DLee opting to rebound and not guard his man at all...

By the way that is half the story..he is not a good post defender either...


Name 1 PF that you see run out to guard wide open 3's. It doesn't happen.

Bro is you are assigned to hold a guy, you can't say I won't run out to defend because he is a three and I'm a four....


...year old child with internet access and a keyboard.

(Sorry but I had to do it!)

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1/9/2007  4:01 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Swishfm3:


Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Shawn Marion
Tim Duncan
Chris Bosh
Jermaine O'Neal
Pau Gasol
Andrei Kirilenko
Boris Diaw
Mehmet Okur
Chris Webber
Lamar Odom
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Rasheed Wallace
Antawn Jamison
Antione Walker
Donyell Marshall
Robert Horry

All Power Forwards that have a pretty mean outside game....

My argument has nothing to do with Lee offensively, its Lee GUARDING the perimeter DEFENSIVELY. Lee is a PF and should not be guarding players on the perimeter. Maybe 4 guys on your list guard the perimeter defensively.

crazy....those guys are all PF that can shoot from the PERIMETER. Power Forwards that David Lee will have to DEFEND.
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1/9/2007  4:03 PM
Posted by Elite:

half those players are small forwards

Just like the beats you produce....your posts suck.

Seriously man...all jokes aside...do you know anything about this game?
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1/9/2007  4:03 PM
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Shawn Marion - a SF that plays the PF position at times
Tim Duncan - doesnt defend anyone on the perimeter
Chris Bosh
Jermaine O'Neal - doesnt defend anyone on the perimeter
Pau Gasol r - doesnt guard anyone anywhere
Andrei Kirilenko - a SF that plays the PF position at times
Boris Diaw - a SF that plays the PF position at times
Mehmet Okur - doesnt defend anyone on the perimeter
Chris Webber - doesnt defend anyone on the perimeter
Lamar Odom
Shareef Abdur-Rahim - doesnt guard anyone anywhere
Rasheed Wallace
Antawn Jamison - doesnt guard anyone anywhere
Antione Walker - doesnt guard anyone anywhere
Donyell Marshall - a SF that plays the PF position at times
Robert Horry

Looks like about 5 guys that guard the perimeter. Good list of random forwards though
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1/9/2007  4:04 PM
I am still trying to figure out how Frye is stretching defenses at 40% there is a reason he gets a lot of open shots. They would rather him shoot then Curry get the ball inside. I love it when Frye shoots because Lee has a great chance of getting a offensive board. The question is does Frye get hives gettting within 5 feet of the basket?
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1/9/2007  4:08 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


That is my point...It makes no sense to Lee not to hold his man because they are physically suited for other positions....You don't make sense when you say why should Lee run out on 3's when he is really a 4...


the fact that he's put in the position to be guarding people out on the perimeter is ridiculous. It's not his position.

What about when HE has to guard the players I listed?

Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Shawn Marion
Tim Duncan
Chris Bosh
Jermaine O'Neal
Pau Gasol
Andrei Kirilenko
Boris Diaw
Mehmet Okur
Chris Webber
Lamar Odom
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Rasheed Wallace
Antawn Jamison
Antione Walker
Donyell Marshall
Robert Horry

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