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nyk4ever
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1/4/2007  5:35 PM
Posted by TMS:
Package Frye and get back a really nice young wing who can shoot and defend his position and I think this team looks ALOT better.

would you trade Frye & CHI's pick unprotected for Danny Granger?

God YES! For anyone who was around back during the Frye/Granger draft I was VERY outspoken on how I wanted Isiah to draft him, even over Bynum. I think he is everything that we are looking for in a wing player and I would definitely make that trade.
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1/4/2007  5:36 PM
Posted by oohah:

NYK and King, haven't Lee and Frye played well together this year and last? Why can't they coexist?

When the Knicks go big, they present some serious match up problems between Lee's rebounding, Frye's shooting, and Curry's inside play.

oohah


very similar to the Utah front court if we go big:

Frye more or less = Okur
Curry = Boozer
Lee = AK without the shotblocking

people said AK wasn't fast enough to guard SFs, but he's doing okay.

I think we need to try the Frye/Lee/Curry frontcourt until the trade deadline, then explore moves for Frye either then or this summer if its not working.

I would love to start:

Marbury
QRich
Lee
Frye
Curry

bench: Jamal, Balkman, Jefferies, Nate
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1/4/2007  5:41 PM
Posted by oohah:

NYK and King, haven't Lee and Frye played well together this year and last? Why can't they coexist?

When the Knicks go big, they present some serious match up problems between Lee's rebounding, Frye's shooting, and Curry's inside play.

oohah

To me it's not about Frye and Lee co-existing together, it's about making this team better. The Knicks have HUGE holes in the backcourt and trading either Frye or David Lee is a legitimate way of fixing those problems in the backcourt. I think Frye still has pretty good trade value and if we can get back a guy like Danny Granger who will definitely fill a major hole for us, then I make the trade.
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1/4/2007  5:43 PM
I agree with you but with JJ and Q they wont go big. Would not trade for Granger because he isnt defensive minded at all.
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1/4/2007  5:49 PM
^^^^Granger looks like he will be a nice player, but he hasn't shown me that much yet that I consider him an improvement on Frye. Maybe because I don't watch him often.

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1/4/2007  5:49 PM
Posted by King1:

I agree with you but with JJ and Q they wont go big. Would not trade for Granger because he isnt defensive minded at all.

I disagree with you about Grangers defense. While he is not a defensive stud, he's a pretty reliable defensive player, he isn't a turnstile and I think by this time next year you will see a lot of improvement in his overall onball defense. Even with his onball defense being average at this point, he's still pretty good at covering the passing lanes and he's a pretty decent help defender. Defense was a very strong point for him while playing at New Mexico and I think you will see that from him soon.
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1/4/2007  5:51 PM
Posted by TMS:

a top 3 lottery pick is a long ways away from a "decent 1st round pick" i think... regardless, the simple point of this discussion is that people need to start appreciating these players for what they CAN do instead of constantly harping about what they CAN'T do.

we have a great young C w/unlimited offensive potential who's shown some good improvement this year... the logical move going forward is to surround him w/defensive minded front court players to help offset some of his defensive weaknesses... to consistently harp about the lack of defensive skills in our C & downplay his offensive strengths is just nitpicking at its finest... i'm willing to bet at least 3/4 of the teams in the NBA would love to have a young C like Curry to help form the nucleus of their future franchise.

TMS, you're absolutely 100% correct, and to make it better, it would be nice to see how much Curry improves that defense. If he does, great and if he becomes at least solid, then we got ourselves an untradable center, advantage us. Regardless, exactly how you put it, we still need to surround him with the proper core. Putting him next to another Center who isn't good at defense is a recipe for disaster. Same can be said for Frye, actually. Putting HIM, next to a center who doesn't play defense is disasterous. lol
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1/4/2007  5:52 PM
Posted by King1:

I agree with you but with JJ and Q they wont go big. Would not trade for Granger because he isnt defensive minded at all.

The only way to get the team to go big is to give the second unit of JJ, Balkman, Collins, and whoever a catchy nickname, like "The Lockdown Posse", that way they have an identity, and when they come in the game we'll be like: Oh its the defensive unit, or something like that!

oohah

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1/4/2007  7:26 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by King1:

Then why is Frye time getting reduced and Lee is getting his minutes if his defense is better? the 3rd quarter run was on defense.

Lee has played better than anyone else on the team this year, so I would say that is why he is getting more minutes than Frye.

As for the third quarter vs. Portland, Curry, Marbury and Crawford were scoring very well, so better they should be playing with a rebounder rather than another scorer.

Lee positive does not have to equal Frye negative. As a matter of fact, I think they play great together.

oohah

Curry and Q has played better than anyone else on this team...Lee is most improved...Without Curry there is no hope...
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1/4/2007  7:57 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by King1:

Then why is Frye time getting reduced and Lee is getting his minutes if his defense is better? the 3rd quarter run was on defense.

Lee has played better than anyone else on the team this year, so I would say that is why he is getting more minutes than Frye.

As for the third quarter vs. Portland, Curry, Marbury and Crawford were scoring very well, so better they should be playing with a rebounder rather than another scorer.

Lee positive does not have to equal Frye negative. As a matter of fact, I think they play great together.

oohah

Curry and Q has played better than anyone else on this team...Lee is most improved...Without Curry there is no hope...

Really? I think without Curry the team would be something like 14-21 give or take a little. They lose some scoring but have so much more energy when Lee and Frye are in the game (at PF and C). Without Lee, on the other hand, I think the team would be something like 8-27 or 10-25.
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1/4/2007  8:22 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by King1:

Then why is Frye time getting reduced and Lee is getting his minutes if his defense is better? the 3rd quarter run was on defense.

Lee has played better than anyone else on the team this year, so I would say that is why he is getting more minutes than Frye.

As for the third quarter vs. Portland, Curry, Marbury and Crawford were scoring very well, so better they should be playing with a rebounder rather than another scorer.

Lee positive does not have to equal Frye negative. As a matter of fact, I think they play great together.

oohah

Curry and Q has played better than anyone else on this team...Lee is most improved...Without Curry there is no hope...

Really? I think without Curry the team would be something like 14-21 give or take a little. They lose some scoring but have so much more energy when Lee and Frye are in the game (at PF and C). Without Lee, on the other hand, I think the team would be something like 8-27 or 10-25.

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1/5/2007  12:25 PM
bootleg post of the day from my man shadyhollow -

But no trading of Curry or Frye.

Zeke will pick the best jump shooter on the board in the draft.

In 3 years he will round out, Frye and Lee will be in year 5, Curry in year 8. We pick up a serviceable PG in the Charlie mold and an easily available starting swimg man....

It's a process man.




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