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Has Isiah the coach done anything positive?
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nyk4ever
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11/30/2006  11:46 PM
Posted by nixluva:



Only 6 wins? You sound like you're almost HOPING that they only win 6 games. You know you haven't had one positive observation to add in this whole thread? Have you not seen anything in the way of a positive sign going forward? Any improvements in individual or team play? Perhaps some coaching moves that isiah made that were worth noting? DAMN! Even if it was just to note that the team has at least shown more fight than they did last year at this point, that would be something to show you really care about this team succeeding. I don't think i'll EVER understand fans like you. It's easy to root for your team when they have everything going well, but with this team trying to establish itself you have to have some patience and understanding, some reasonable expectations for a team that has so many young players and guys who haven't been in a winning culture here. They have to generate that all from scratch.

The schedule turns much more in their favor as the month goes along. I think they have a good shot to get on a positive swing.

This is what I don't get. Why do you care what I think? I am a huge Knicks fan and I always have been and I hope they win every game. Just because I am realistic in my approach about what this team does, does not make me any less of a god damn fan. Just because you are pawn and agree with every single move because you root for the team doesn't make any sense. Get your own damn perspective, not one molded from the owner and the GM of the team about how positive things are for this franchise.

I don't think the team is going to win more than 6 in this month. Why does that bother you so much? I hope the Knicks win every single game they play of the season, just because I have my own thoughts and opinions on how the team may realistically play should not bother you at all. I'm glad you disagree with me about them winning more games, you always hope for the best, eventually every cat gets a mouse and you'll be right but so far, you've been far from it. You've already curtailed that huge argument about how Stephon and Francis were going to be awesome players in this system, because that clearly hasn't happened. We both want the team to win, its plain and simple. There has been some good things from this team so far but not even close enough to make this team a contender or even a playoff team. Francis and Marbury are still lost, Lee and Q have been great, Frye wasn't playing well, Balkman looked nice, Crawford and Nate are still incredibly inconsistent and Curry has been playing well LATELY, it's about time.

My original post was a response to you saying that you were "confident that the team will win more than 2 games in this month." I was merely responding to the fact that what you were saying was ridiculous. Any team in the NBA can win more than 2 games in a month and you are acting like if the Knicks do it, it's some huge stepping stone. It's not. This team should be winning 16 out of 16 games this month with the bloated payroll and contracts this team has but for this talent, I'm guessing 6, I'm glad you're so disappointed about it.

I'm glad we disagree about how many games the Knicks will win this month. I'll be happy to take up this argument with you at the end of the month. I pray for 16 wins but realistically I think it will be 6. Thats the way I feel so friggen sue me.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-30-2006 11:48 PM]
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11/30/2006  11:56 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I'm glad you disagree with me about them winning more games

I'm guessing 6, I'm glad you're so disappointed about it.

I'm glad we disagree about how many games the Knicks will win this month

I'm glad you're glad
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12/1/2006  12:17 AM
Well at least you FINALLY said something substantive, with regard to the point of this thread. On the 4 page of this thread after I call you out, NOW you actually say something about the positive growth of the team, but where the HELL was it before? I still wonder about you professing to want this team to win. That's not the way you post. I'm sure you are a Knick fan, I would hope so, but that doesn't make you a fan of this current Knick roster and that's what i'm talking about. Your tendency to wisecrack and bash this team in a manner that a Boston Celtics fan would be expected to do. How's that being realistic. That's just needlessly negative.

With regard to the Knicks winning more than 2 games in December, My Point is that if they do, which is highly likely there record will be MUCH improved over last season. Why that escaped you I don't know, but isn't that the Point. This team would be showing progress over what they did last season. It's not about what an avg. NBA team would do, but where this team is in it's progression towards being a good team. The way you talk it's like you expect that they should've come out of the gates playing like a team that's been together for 3 years under this system.

I actually LIKE the talent on this team. I don't just hope for the best. When i'm being positive, it's how I REALLY feel about the talent on this team. It's not some ploy to just stay positive in hopes that one day i'll end up being right just by luck. If that was the case I wouldn't be spending time giving my rationale for why I think this team will improve. Likewise when I say that I don't like something it's not me trying to distance myself from what I said earlier, but just my feeling about how they're actually doing at this time. I'm still saying what I said from day one. You can just stay negative and make jokes, if they do finally get it together you can keep it up until they actually get over .500. Even then you can complain that it's only a few games over and they should be better. Just freakin man up and admit that you don't like this roster or coach, if that's how you really feel.
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12/1/2006  12:40 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Just freakin man up and admit that you don't like this roster or coach, if that's how you really feel.

I've said it a million times, where you been?
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12/1/2006  12:52 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I actually LIKE the talent on this team.

And here I thought you were just a really big fan of Jeff Nix.
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12/1/2006  1:01 AM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by nixluva:

I actually LIKE the talent on this team.

And here I thought you were just a really big fan of Jeff Nix.

LOL.

I like - Lee, QRich, Jeffries, Balkman, Mardy(I know he's hard working)

The rest can go screw themselves.
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12/1/2006  5:39 AM
I give Isaiah credit for two things.

1) He's got his players working harder on defense.
2) He's got his players trying to play team ball.

Granted they don't do those to things as well or as much as we'd like, but they've stepped up noticeably in both areas.
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12/14/2006  9:31 AM
Isiah has some difficult decisions on minutes a people get healthy

How he manages the egos in the the locker room, along with the press looking for negative angles for spicy headlines, will be his first and second orders of business

Lee got burn as center and no one noticed

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12/14/2006  10:30 AM
is it fair to give Isiah some credit at least for the improved play from players like Curry, D Lee & Q Rich or no?

if you think it's all on the players, then really there's no point in having a thread like this where you only blame the negatives on the coach & fail to give any credit for any of the positives, is there?
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12/14/2006  10:54 AM
NO............ but I hate Isiah like Micheal Jackson hates his skinn!!!!
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12/14/2006  10:56 AM
Anji - hate?

what has Isiah Thomas done to you?

It's only basketball

hate?
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12/14/2006  10:58 AM
I don't hate him, I was just answering the thread the way I think the poster would want me to...........
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12/14/2006  11:10 AM
I think FAR too many Knick fans dislike for Isiah is effecting their ability to admit that he's actually making progress with this team. You have to realize that not only do the players have to fully grasp what he wants them to do, but he has to also learn what he can expect out of each player. How to best use them and in what combinations. He now has at least one defense he knows we can play VERY WELL. The ZONE. He also will use a litttle pressure to eat up time so that teams will have less to work with each possession. We have a TON of rebounding from different players and when we get Frye back well be 10 deep. Two complete units that can function in all facets of the game.

This is GOING to be a good team and when the regular season ends we'll look back and say MAN this team has really grown from the start of the year.
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12/14/2006  11:11 AM
Actually, if you understand the elite NBA players are a type of fraternity... one may look at Magic Johnson seated courtside, in support of his friend Isiah...

and willing to offer encouragement and private counsel to the evolving Marbury

did anyone else notice the artist formerly known as Sheikbury did not wear a towel on his head on the bench?

dang
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12/14/2006  12:26 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Isiah has some difficult decisions on minutes a people get healthy

How he manages the egos in the the locker room, along with the press looking for negative angles for spicy headlines, will be his first and second orders of business

Lee got burn as center and no one noticed

Careful MisterEarl: When I mentioned this over the summer I was attacked for hating the Knicks. I will defend you if anyone decides to attack you for this obvious point
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12/14/2006  12:29 PM
Personally I like the young guys on this team. I think Isiah has done a good job of drafting. This seems to be his specialty. But I want him to just coach. I want a new GM to build around the exciting young players that Isiah has brought in. With all the "asset grabbing" and cutting and benching of multi-billion dollar players that can't play, I do not trust Isiah to build efficiently around these players. I think this is a valid point but I'm sure it also means I'm a Nets fan.

I would prefer Isiah be able to concentrate on coaching the team and allow another GM to be 100% involved with building a balanced team that can actually take advantage of the individual talent that we have.
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12/14/2006  12:53 PM
I agree, isiah is by far the best coach for this bunch of misfits...and that being said, that means that all of his successfull signature moves remain intact for another 3 years.

Frye, Lee, crawford, balkman, Jeffries, Curry and Nate DO NOT BE TRADED FOR ANYBODY.

Everyone else can be moved for players like Ray Allen, JOneil, etc.

If one of those final pieces to a puzzle isn't acquired, we make what we have the role players that we covet.

Trading frye for a more experienced lee makes no sense to me. Moving Frye for a shot blocker when he was a leading shot blocker in college playing in a zone defense (our forte) is nonsense.

Frye excels in a zone defense, and with JJ1 back we have someone that can let him know where to be DURING THE PLAY.

Other than Jeffries, Malik Rose was the only person (and at times Qrich) that spoke and communicated on defense.

Jeffries experience in the same system that Isiah is implementing is why he is the glue...isiah doesn't play, but he's important to games...defense wins championships, and the defense looks like it's coming together.

Isiah the coach has done a ton of positive things for this team...and he's doing it with players acquired by Isiah the GM.
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12/14/2006  12:57 PM
See I disagree. I think the biggest mistake this franchise has made since Ewing left is trying to turn our garbage into gold. We get good players and we are afraid to trade them because they may blossom somewhere else. Well if you make a good trades this doesn't matter. You cannot trade the players you don't want and get someone great from another team. This is why we have had to settle for other teams casoffs so often. We need to deal from strength. If that means dealing a couple of the scorers in teh backcourt, fine. If that means giving up one of our 6 or 7 young guys to bring in a shotblocker or a perimeter defender or a true PG it is only going to help us.
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12/14/2006  12:57 PM
Isiah says he's never been more disappointed.

Dolan says that at this point Isiah hasn't done enough to save his job.

Who you gonna believe?

Them or your lying eyes?

That was fun, I'm going to post like misterearl more often.
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12/14/2006  1:13 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

See I disagree. I think the biggest mistake this franchise has made since Ewing left is trying to turn our garbage into gold. We get good players and we are afraid to trade them because they may blossom somewhere else. Well if you make a good trades this doesn't matter. You cannot trade the players you don't want and get someone great from another team. This is why we have had to settle for other teams casoffs so often. We need to deal from strength. If that means dealing a couple of the scorers in teh backcourt, fine. If that means giving up one of our 6 or 7 young guys to bring in a shotblocker or a perimeter defender or a true PG it is only going to help us.

Time is on our side, and patience is a virtue:
shotblocker = channing frye (second year in league)
perimeter defender = jarred jeffries (first year on team)
True PG - mardy collins (first year on team/league)

Why starphuck when we have everything we need now?
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