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fishmike
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10/19/2006  7:52 AM
Posted by oohah:
oohah, I had to laugh. Can you clarify this for me? Are you suggesting that Mo Taylor was a chip? This meaning he was regarded as an asset? Thats what your saying right?

Yes, Taylor was a chip. He was an expiring contract, which happens to be an extremely valuable asset even if you are a terrible player. As a matter of fact, the more money an expiring player is paid the more valuable he is regardless of how good he is.

You know that Fish.

oohah
so why did ISiah release him?

expiring contracts are so overrated its not even funny.

talented player = chips
draft picks = chips

those are things EVERY team in the NBA needs and can use

Expiring contracts *can* be usefull at the deadline when some team is having a firesale, and even then they usually only land a big player when there is young talent and picks involved.

This notion that having expiring contracts gives you something everyone wants is Isiah BS

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10/19/2006  7:58 AM
so why did ISiah release him?

I am not here to defend Isiah's trades.

My point is that picking up Marcus Williams to be a chip is the exact strategy that everyone has been compaining about E.G. Maurice Taylor.

IT decided to pick a player that has a role on this team instead of picking up a chip for some theoretical trade.

I prefer the strategy of picking players to play not just to trade them. It may be okay to pick up assets here and there but not constantly.

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10/19/2006  7:59 AM
expiring contracts are so overrated its not even funny.

talented player = chips
draft picks = chips

those are things EVERY team in the NBA needs and can use

Expiring contracts *can* be usefull at the deadline when some team is having a firesale, and even then they usually only land a big player when there is young talent and picks involved.

This notion that having expiring contracts gives you something everyone wants is Isiah BS

Agreed.

oohah

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10/19/2006  8:10 AM
oohah, thats all fair. And I'm happy we have Balkman. He looks like a good fit with the kind of younger players we have. I just wish we could think long term. Even though we may be stuck w/ 3 more years of Franbury having a pass first PG like MW still made sense. You have a guy that can really deliver the ball. Orlando already had Steve Francis when Jameer Nelson fell to them.

Obviously w/ Crawford, Nate and Franbury its a crowd.

I know I'm dreaming because I still want to see this thing rebuilt, and I saw how easy MW made it for guys at UConn to do... well, anything they wanted.

I think building around our horses up front in Curry/Frye/Lee along with some scorng punch in Crawford/Nate with a pass first PG that distribute and make plays for 4 guys instead of 1 was the best way to build this team. If it takes us a year or two to move Franbury like the Magic moved Stevie so be it.
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10/19/2006  8:30 AM
Isaiah Thomas was a great player and Greg Anthony wasn't. What as that to do about their ability to evaluate players? I like the Balkman pick, but Isaiah was way off base criticizing GA as a player. It doesn't have anything to do with the matter at hand. Michael Jordan was the best nba player ever, but wasn't a very good coach. IT and GA's ability as players doesn't at all come in to play in this issue.
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10/19/2006  9:27 AM
Posted by joec32033:

BTW, just out of curiosity-Oak has called out the Knicks and the Knicks roster on numerous occassions. I wonder why Isiah hasn't railed off on him yet.



probably cuz Oak could kick Isiah's arse.
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10/19/2006  9:36 AM
Posted by fishmike:

not its not, but since you put exact in caps it must be true.

Once again the point in this is a bit lost. People arent down on Balkman as a player or a guy that can help up. Plenty of solid guys have gone undrafted and become impact players.

The point is Isiah passed on lottery talent which at the very worst could have been used as a chip later to take a player that wasnt on anyone's board or radar for that matter


fish, if an undrafted guy like Ben Wallace were picked in the 1st round over legitimate lottery talent, i'm sure no one would have a problem with it now... but back then you might have heard some of the same hemming & hawing about it for sure... maybe we should see how Balkman pans out before we start complaining that he was taken too high? i think that's the fairest way to judge any pick or trade, regardless if it's Isiah making it or someone else... being upset that the player you may have wanted (not you specifically) wasn't picked is fine, but to say that Balkman wasn't worthy of being picked that high is presumptuous & speculative at best... no one can say for sure 1 way or the other until we see how these guys' talents translate in the real NBA on their respective teams.


[Edited by - TMS on 10-19-2006 09:39 AM]
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10/19/2006  9:42 AM
^ good post
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10/19/2006  9:42 AM
I viewed GA's comments again and they were not as bad as I remembered. He blasted us but he did it in an objective manner, which is his job. IT should have just left it alone and definitely should not have talked about GA's playing career (GA was a margial player at best). However, you have got to understand how IT is feeling right now. IT has pretty much been ripped for the past year starting with the JJ1 pickup. Then you have the LB disaster and finally, people start criticizing him for the one thing he knows he is good at, i.e. the draft. I know he has alot of emotion bottled up inside him about all of it. So when he goes through the first few preseason games and somebody asks him about Balkman, he is going to go off b/c he feels he has been proven right. He should not have said anything but I understand why he might has said more than in retrospect he probably would/should have.

I, however, will again say that I am happy to have a coach that berates the media rather than berating his own players in the media.
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10/19/2006  9:48 AM
Isiah is just being Isiah. Taking his shot where he can. Patrick wasnt complimentary to the current Knicsk. Isiah didnt go after Patrick. Isiah used to do the same thing on the court and then leave the "bad boys" to clean up his mess. Then one night he tried taking a cheap shot at John Stockton. Karl Malone sent Isiah to the hopital.
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10/19/2006  9:53 AM
Besides being a bad player, Greg Anthony also hates America and freedom. He would embolden the enemy and make the United Knicks of New York City less safe and secure.

He would coddle and encourage Osama Bin Laden. He would have left Saddam in power. He would raise your taxes and force everyone onto collective farms and into socialized medicine.

Greg Anthony: Bad for the Knicks. Bad for America.
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10/19/2006  10:03 AM
LMAO @ BasketballJones
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10/19/2006  10:09 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by fishmike:

not its not, but since you put exact in caps it must be true.

Once again the point in this is a bit lost. People arent down on Balkman as a player or a guy that can help up. Plenty of solid guys have gone undrafted and become impact players.

The point is Isiah passed on lottery talent which at the very worst could have been used as a chip later to take a player that wasnt on anyone's board or radar for that matter


fish, if an undrafted guy like Ben Wallace were picked in the 1st round over legitimate lottery talent, i'm sure no one would have a problem with it now... but back then you might have heard some of the same hemming & hawing about it for sure... maybe we should see how Balkman pans out before we start complaining that he was taken too high? i think that's the fairest way to judge any pick or trade, regardless if it's Isiah making it or someone else... being upset that the player you may have wanted (not you specifically) wasn't picked is fine, but to say that Balkman wasn't worthy of being picked that high is presumptuous & speculative at best... no one can say for sure 1 way or the other until we see how these guys' talents translate in the real NBA on their respective teams.


[Edited by - TMS on 10-19-2006 09:39 AM]
again... this has nothing to do with Balkman, it has everything to do with getting best value for what we have. If you can get Balkman at 30, or sign him as a FA (remember he wasnt even in the top 300 NBA draft guide) it lets you use the 20 pick for something else.

Just because your hungry doesnt justify spending 50 bucks on a cheeseburger. Sure its juice, its tastes good as hell, and it satisfies your hunger. But is it a good use of your assets?

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10/19/2006  10:10 AM
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10/19/2006  10:19 AM
My favorite part of the article is when Isiah said "this is between me and Greg". LOL.

I have no problem with Isiah going after Greg and saying he was wrong(after about 20 games instead of 3 pre-season games). What bothers me is when our President is bringing playing careers and "true Knick" statements into the equation. We won 23 games last year I would just prefer he worry about the task at hand and help the team get better.

As for the Balkman pick. I do think it's crazy how people in the media were bashing the pick. And people on the site are praising/bashing the pick. These guys have been in the league for 3 months. Most rookies don't start panning out for at least 3 years. Can we show a little patience?
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10/19/2006  10:23 AM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Boy if Isiah goes to such extremes when he doesn't like what commentators have to say imagine what he'd do to a Knick coach or marketing executive if he didn't like what they said...

Speaking of, I wonder what the new MSG promotions will be like this year. They sucked last year with those cardboard cutouts. We can thank Isiah for that, seeing how he wouldn't make the players available to Anuscha, possibly even for personal reasons.

I think it's comical that Zeke is talking stuff after 3 Summer League Post-Season games. It's not like Balkman has blown away the competition this pre-season avg 8pts and 5reb/gm.



[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 10-18-2006 11:38 PM]

Ahhhhhh, did we forget to mention that he's averaging those numbers in just under 20 minutes a game, 17 minutes a game, to be exact?!!! Yes?! Not bad for a Zeke pick huh?


Did we forget that there are close to a dozen teams giving up 100pts/gm in preseason vs only 7 in the regular season last yr. Did we not take note that the GSW are averaging almost 125pts/gm in preseason vs 98pts/gm last season and including the Knicks...... Toronto, ATL, ORL, are the class of the eastern conference in preseason.

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10/19/2006  10:30 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah should've just let the comments go. but he's got too much of an ego and pride. some like that bravado. i don't. as a front office exec, he threatened to beat up bill simmons on the radio. this is a PRESIDENT of bball operations. act like it.
Interesting how I heard no such cries for professionalism from our very unprofessional but highly regarded coach of last year.

But I do tend to agree with you that threatening to beat up someone is unprofessional.
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10/19/2006  10:32 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah should've just let the comments go. but he's got too much of an ego and pride. some like that bravado. i don't. as a front office exec, he threatened to beat up bill simmons on the radio. this is a PRESIDENT of bball operations. act like it.
Interesting how I heard no such cries for professionalism from our very unprofessional but highly regarded coach of last year.

But I do tend to agree with you that threatening to beat up someone is unprofessional.

You heard n such cries for professionalism????? What planet were you on? Marbs and LB have been getting blasted for almost a year now. Are you serious?

And what does that have to do with the current situation?
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10/19/2006  10:33 AM
I could care less about the Balkman vs Williams debate.

Isiah is as classless as it gets. The Knicks organization should be embarassed by his statements. A simple 'looks like the critics were mistaken' type of statement would have sufficed.

Anthony is a paid analyst whos job is to give his opinion...not to toe the Knicks company line. Right or wrong its just his opinion.

I'm finding it hard to support Isiah, and can see why he has rubbed people the wrong way in the business world.
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10/19/2006  10:38 AM
I'm in agreement. Enough sideshow. Marbs and Isiah need to stop taking the bait and focus on the current team. The Balkman/Williams thing will play out over time. Why is Isiah concerned with it now. We haven't won one regular season game yet and we are already starting with the "I told you so's". Can we just play ball.
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