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8/7/2006  6:48 PM
I agree with you crzymdups I think the label is overused many times. but at other times I think people are dead on accurate.
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8/7/2006  6:48 PM
Posted by misterearl:

bippity - how often was Michael Jordan cited for having a high basketball IQ... anywhere?

Think about it.

Its nothing but code for something arbitrary that few can verbalize in qualitative terms

With all due respect to our esteemed host Martin, I have yet to read a functional criteria for IQ from ANYONE.

Might as well take my test if you dare.

Just because no one has defined BB IQ in a functional criteria way that you mention, it must not exist, right? That's the way the world works. In fact, I DID give you some examples, so did Bippidy. If you care not to believe it, fine by me. You and I both know that there isn't a test or statistical category kept for this kind of thing, but by golly it's not too hard to comprehend the concept.

Feel free to do your own homework on Google and grind some of the "Michael Jordan" and "Basketball IQ" references and get back to us. I am sure just about every national sports announcer has said that they thought MJ was a very smart player, which complimented his athletic abilities quite nicely.

Could be that we have some very good examples of Low Posting IQ right here.

Oh yeah, how many times has Curry been told not to lower his should into his defender when turning around in the post? Took him, what, half a year to correct that? After 5 years of professional level coaching? And when did expectations all of a sudden come into play? Or did you just make that up?
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Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

bippity - how often was Michael Jordan cited for having a high basketball IQ... anywhere?

Think about it.

Its nothing but code for something arbitrary that few can verbalize in qualitative terms

With all due respect to our esteemed host Martin, I have yet to read a functional criteria for IQ from ANYONE.

Might as well take my test if you dare.

Just because no one has defined BB IQ in a functional criteria way that you mention, it must not exist, right? That's the way the world works. In fact, I DID give you some examples, so did Bippidy. If you care not to believe it, fine by me. You and I both know that there isn't a test or statistical category kept for this kind of thing, but by golly it's not too hard to comprehend the concept.

Feel free to do your own homework on Google and grind some of the "Michael Jordan" and "Basketball IQ" references and get back to us. I am sure just about every national sports announcer has said that they thought MJ was a very smart player, which complimented his athletic abilities quite nicely.

Could be that we have some very good examples of Low Posting IQ right here.

Oh yeah, how many times has Curry been told not to lower his should into his defender when turning around in the post? Took him, what, half a year to correct that? After 5 years of professional level coaching? And when did expectations all of a sudden come into play? Or did you just make that up?


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8/7/2006  7:04 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

bippity - how often was Michael Jordan cited for having a high basketball IQ... anywhere?

Think about it.

Its nothing but code for something arbitrary that few can verbalize in qualitative terms

With all due respect to our esteemed host Martin, I have yet to read a functional criteria for IQ from ANYONE.

Might as well take my test if you dare.

Just because no one has defined BB IQ in a functional criteria way that you mention, it must not exist, right? That's the way the world works. In fact, I DID give you some examples, so did Bippidy. If you care not to believe it, fine by me. You and I both know that there isn't a test or statistical category kept for this kind of thing, but by golly it's not too hard to comprehend the concept.

Feel free to do your own homework on Google and grind some of the "Michael Jordan" and "Basketball IQ" references and get back to us. I am sure just about every national sports announcer has said that they thought MJ was a very smart player, which complimented his athletic abilities quite nicely.

Could be that we have some very good examples of Low Posting IQ right here.

Oh yeah, how many times has Curry been told not to lower his should into his defender when turning around in the post? Took him, what, half a year to correct that? After 5 years of professional level coaching? And when did expectations all of a sudden come into play? Or did you just make that up?


Please refer to me as Bippity. Bippidy is unacceptable to me.

I have low name-memory IQ, although that may be a dangerous self-label. I am also running around the room with sissors, so I am double dangerous, but it is OK cause I previously drank some Knicks kool-aid and will happy post so I can be considered a true fan, and I also bought $15 sneaks, so I must be a Marb lover, which by default makes be a LB hater, so it's cool.
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8/7/2006  7:47 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I watched Curry play last year. I saw him commit the same offensive foul 4 times a game. I saw him go five months without an assist. He takes shots with four people surrounding him and his teammates wide open. Teams openly triple team him because they know he doesn't pass the ball out. Now I don't know Curry very well. He may be a mensa as far as I know. This isn't about his intelligence level, it's just the interpretation of those that over-react to the label. I'm pretty sure my "polo iq" is pretty low and don't bristle if someone says it. But based on what I see of Curry he has a difficult time understanding what needs to be done to win the game. As he plays more and gets better his IQ may raise into the stratosphere. We may one day say he has a high basketball IQ. who knows. But right now, if the shoe fits......

I wouldn't say you had low 'Polo IQ' I would say your inexperienced in Polo being that you don't play it or watch it much. Eddy Curry strikes me as someone who got into the game of basketball late in life (in basketball years) and only started playing because he was tall. These type of players usaually take time to develop a feel for the game because they picked up the game late. These players for the most part tend to lean on there thier coaches and do what they are told.

Curry skipped college and had to rely on a coaching neophite in Skiles to teach him. Skiles has imporved but whose to say Skiles, still a caoching baby taught Curry the nuances and intricacies of foot-work in the post? Whose to say Skiles schooled him on the angles in the ow box and how to recieve a pass into the post? Or turning over his right shoulder and finish with his left?

Because Curry picked up the game so late, he's 23 yrs old with probably a 8 or 9 yr old basketball mind. And probably even younger because most of these high school basketball coaches (or Gym teachers) wouldn't know how to improved the individual skiill-sets of their players if there lifes depended on it.

BTW, as far as Curry still lowering his shoulder, well bad habits are sometimes hard to break. Shaq, has 4 rings, I believe, na dis thirty plaus yrs old and he still lowers his shoulder tramples over his opponents.





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8/7/2006  7:49 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

bippity - how often was Michael Jordan cited for having a high basketball IQ... anywhere?

Think about it.

Its nothing but code for something arbitrary that few can verbalize in qualitative terms

With all due respect to our esteemed host Martin, I have yet to read a functional criteria for IQ from ANYONE.

Might as well take my test if you dare.

Just because no one has defined BB IQ in a functional criteria way that you mention, it must not exist, right? That's the way the world works. In fact, I DID give you some examples, so did Bippidy. If you care not to believe it, fine by me. You and I both know that there isn't a test or statistical category kept for this kind of thing, but by golly it's not too hard to comprehend the concept.

Feel free to do your own homework on Google and grind some of the "Michael Jordan" and "Basketball IQ" references and get back to us. I am sure just about every national sports announcer has said that they thought MJ was a very smart player, which complimented his athletic abilities quite nicely.

Could be that we have some very good examples of Low Posting IQ right here.

Oh yeah, how many times has Curry been told not to lower his should into his defender when turning around in the post? Took him, what, half a year to correct that? After 5 years of professional level coaching? And when did expectations all of a sudden come into play? Or did you just make that up?


Please refer to me as Bippity. Bippidy is unacceptable to me.

I have low name-memory IQ, although that may be a dangerous self-label. I am also running around the room with sissors, so I am double dangerous, but it is OK cause I previously drank some Knicks kool-aid and will happy post so I can be considered a true fan, and I also bought $15 sneaks, so I must be a Marb lover, which by default makes be a LB hater, so it's cool.


Wow I missed alot on my drive home from work the big guns have come out. You guys have actually addressed the issue of basketball IQ, instead of stooping childish cursing and temper tantrums.
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8/7/2006  7:54 PM
Here's the problem I have with "basketball IQ."

1) Making bball IQ judgments. Some say Jeffries is a high bball IQ player, some say he's low bball IQ. How do we know who's right? Briggs says Miles is high bball IQ, TMS says he isn't. How do we know who's right? The whole process of judging basketball IQ strikes me as way too subjective, way too variable, and way too prone to biases of various kinds.

2) Defining bball IQ. Giving examples of extremes doesn't quite suffice. If I say some examples of a high-glork object are trucks, trees, and street lamps, and some examples of low-glork objects are rubber balls, mattresses, and sticks of gum, do we really know what 'glork' means? What if we think we all know what we mean by the word, and we all agree on the examples, but we're still thinking of different things?

Now this might be different for, say, coaches. Perhaps coaches have a fairly systematic and reliable way for judging who is and is not a high bball IQ player, and perhaps the term is well established enough in coaching circles that it means the same thing to everyone. So perhaps for coaches the term is not terribly problematic.

But I very strongly doubt that this is the case with the casual NBA fan. Interpretations of the term "basketball IQ" probably vary considerably from fan to fan, and on top of that it's probably the case that most fans do not have really solid grounds for saying most players are or are not high basketball IQ (whatever that might mean for a given fan).
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8/7/2006  8:09 PM
Posted by tomverve:

Here's the problem I have with "basketball IQ."

1) Making bball IQ judgments. Some say Jeffries is a high bball IQ player, some say he's low bball IQ. How do we know who's right? Briggs says Miles is high bball IQ, TMS says he isn't. How do we know who's right? The whole process of judging basketball IQ strikes me as way too subjective, way too variable, and way too prone to biases of various kinds.

2) Defining bball IQ. Giving examples of extremes doesn't quite suffice. If I say some examples of a high-glork object are trucks, trees, and street lamps, and some examples of low-glork objects are rubber balls, mattresses, and sticks of gum, do we really know what 'glork' means? What if we think we all know what we mean by the word, and we all agree on the examples, but we're still thinking of different things?

Now this might be different for, say, coaches. Perhaps coaches have a fairly systematic and reliable way for judging who is and is not a high bball IQ player, and perhaps the term is well established enough in coaching circles that it means the same thing to everyone. So perhaps for coaches the term is not terribly problematic.

But I very strongly doubt that this is the case with the casual NBA fan. Interpretations of the term "basketball IQ" probably vary considerably from fan to fan, and on top of that it's probably the case that most fans do not have really solid grounds for saying most players are or are not high basketball IQ (whatever that might mean for a given fan).

It's one of those things that IS very subjective, but so is saying someone is athletic/not-athletic, but I don't think it's too hard a concept to put forward and have a group sense for. Grey areas? Sure.

Stats are a judgement and are just more commonly accepted for us fans. I say the examples given are a fairly good step forward to bringing some definition to form and that it don't take too many grey cells for everyone to either agree or not agree on it and have a clearer understanding. Lot's of middle ground to this but anyone who has stepped onto the court for a long period of time has GOT to know who the smart players are on the team versus the guys/gals who get on with god-given athletic ability.
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8/7/2006  8:20 PM
Posted by martin:

Just because no one has defined BB IQ in a functional criteria way that you mention, it must not exist, right? That's the way the world works. In fact, I DID give you some examples, so did Bippidy. If you care not to believe it, fine by me. You and I both know that there isn't a test or statistical category kept for this kind of thing, but by golly it's not too hard to comprehend the concept.

Feel free to do your own homework on Google and grind some of the "Michael Jordan" and "Basketball IQ" references and get back to us. I am sure just about every national sports announcer has said that they thought MJ was a very smart player, which complimented his athletic abilities quite nicely.

Could be that we have some very good examples of Low Posting IQ right here.

Oh yeah, how many times has Curry been told not to lower his should into his defender when turning around in the post? Took him, what, half a year to correct that? After 5 years of professional level coaching? And when did expectations all of a sudden come into play? Or did you just make that up?

the problem is the sports announcers and writers who use the term.
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8/7/2006  9:28 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by martin:

Just because no one has defined BB IQ in a functional criteria way that you mention, it must not exist, right? That's the way the world works. In fact, I DID give you some examples, so did Bippidy. If you care not to believe it, fine by me. You and I both know that there isn't a test or statistical category kept for this kind of thing, but by golly it's not too hard to comprehend the concept.

Feel free to do your own homework on Google and grind some of the "Michael Jordan" and "Basketball IQ" references and get back to us. I am sure just about every national sports announcer has said that they thought MJ was a very smart player, which complimented his athletic abilities quite nicely.

Could be that we have some very good examples of Low Posting IQ right here.

Oh yeah, how many times has Curry been told not to lower his should into his defender when turning around in the post? Took him, what, half a year to correct that? After 5 years of professional level coaching? And when did expectations all of a sudden come into play? Or did you just make that up?

the problem is the sports announcers and writers who use the term.

why?
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8/7/2006  9:44 PM
>>Lot's of middle ground to this but anyone who has stepped onto the court for a long period of time has GOT to know who the smart players are on the team versus the guys/gals who get on with god-given athletic ability.

Martin - what athletic ability is God-given?

It ALL requires hard work

Yes?

Is intelligence a property of the more fortunate among us?

[Edited by - misterearl on 08-07-2006 9:46 PM]
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8/7/2006  9:47 PM
That's a great post Tom. Regarding Martin's post, I'd say people have more of an idea of what athleticism is and it can be evaluated by testing (e.g., the pre-draft assessments). However, it too is a vague term that should be replaced with more concrete ideas ("the player runs fast"; "the play has great lateral speed"; "the player has great leaping ability").

I disagree with the idea that you start with examples and then build towards a definition (which I don't see anyone building toward anyway). Tom explained pretty well why examples are a poor way to get a good grasp of a concept. It makes more sense to have a good grasp of a concept, be able to precisely define it, and then state examples. OR to acknowledge that the concept is pretty useless.
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Who has the "highest basketball IQ" among all the people who post here?

Perhaps that determination will put an end to any arguments over Knicks players, front office or styles of play.

Who's the man?

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Posted by crzymdups:

I apologize for rearragning your quote.

I do feel though that bball IQ is one of those politically/racially loaded terms that gets tossed out in basketball a lot. obviously some people use it with the right intentions and some people maybe don't. I didn't mean to imply you weren't or that you got your opinions from ESPN - I meant its the kind of assisine crap that ESPN peddles constantly and whenever I watch sports center I want to puke.

Sorry, this has been on my mind - I read this book about politically/racially loaded material in sports writing and sports advertising in basketball and baseball that was very good. I reccommend it. Sports in America is a weird weird place and a lot of the nations hang-ups get expressed in weird ways. I think ESPN is extremely guilty of this quite often.

Anyway, here's the book: Body Politic

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743247744/sr=1-3/qid=1154990133/ref=sr_1_3/002-1708305-6231214?ie=UTF8&s=books

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bonn - just trying to provide a community service for those who thirst for relevant substance, and a change of pace, every now and then.

Basketball IQ my butt!

By the way JoeC, Earl Monroe's original nickname was NOT Black Magic, or Black Cat or Black Satin, it was ... (drum roll please)

7. Black Jesus

I heard of that one, too earl. Damn if that thing wasn't like the freakin SAT.

Anyway I go to work and I miss all the good stuff, WTF! Seriouly, the whole basketball IQ thing while subjective, it is there.

Justice Potter Stewart once said, "I can't define porn, but I know it when I see it". This falls under the exact same principle. I can't define basketball IQ in a qualitive manor that will satisfy everyone, but I know it when I see it. Look at some of these comparisons, as it is the best example I can give. I'll put a star next to the guy I feel has the higher bball IQ.

Olajuwon*-Curry
Nash*-Alston
Mike James-Eric Snow*
Kidd*-Marbury

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To me, the term 'basketball IQ' is an overly used and simplified way of expressing a players understanding of the game and ability to utilize his physical abilities. A guy like Robert Horry, is not physically gifted much anymore, but people will say he has a high basketball IQ b/c he knows how to impact a game, stay within the flow of the offense and defense, and make tough shots when it matters. He maximizes his physical ability and understands how to play within the team concept. The problem comes into play because people relate 'basketball IQ' with actual IQ. Plus, the racial aspect of it, when in the past every black player was athletic and every white player was intelligent (this happened with QB's all the time, which is why there were so few QB's in the NFL, and even fewer unathletic black QB's, although that's changing). And thus, some people are offended when you start saying so and so has a low 'basketball IQ' b/c to them, you are implying that the player is not intelligent. I think the biggest factor in your 'basketball IQ' is not necessarily your natural intelligence, but rather your level of experience and willingness to change your game to suit the needs of the team.

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Posted by TheGame:

To me, the term 'basketball IQ' is an overly used and simplified way of expressing a players understanding of the game and ability to utilize his physical abilities. A guy like Robert Horry, is not physically gifted much anymore, but people will say he has a high basketball IQ b/c he knows how to impact a game, stay within the flow of the offense and defense, and make tough shots when it matters. He maximizes his physical ability and understands how to play within the team concept. The problem comes into play because people relate 'basketball IQ' with actual IQ. Plus, the racial aspect of it, when in the past every black player was athletic and every white player was intelligent (this happened with QB's all the time, which is why there were so few QB's in the NFL, and even fewer unathletic black QB's, although that's changing). And thus, some people are offended when you start saying so and so has a low 'basketball IQ' b/c to them, you are implying that the player is not intelligent. I think the biggest factor in your 'basketball IQ' is not necessarily your natural intelligence, but rather your level of experience and willingness to change your game to suit the needs of the team.

I don't care if the term "basketball IQ", "basketball smarts", "basketball intelligence", or reverse the field and call it "basketball stupidity"...they all mean the same thing to me, and this is regardless of color, race, creed, whatever. Stockton and Brevin Knight know how to play the game, Jason Williams doesn't know how to play the game as well as they did/do. How should it be classified. I just don't see what the problem is. Some guys just know how to play the game better than others. By discounting something like "basketball intelligence" exists, you are saying each player knows the same amount about the intricacies of the game and that is just simply an untruth.
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I don't care if the term "basketball IQ", "basketball smarts", "basketball intelligence", or reverse the field and call it "basketball stupidity"...they all mean the same thing to me, and this is regardless of color, race, creed, whatever. Stockton and Brevin Knight know how to play the game, Jason Williams doesn't know how to play the game as well as they did/do. How should it be classified. I just don't see what the problem is. Some guys just know how to play the game better than others. By discounting something like "basketball intelligence" exists, you are saying each player knows the same amount about the intricacies of the game and that is just simply an untruth.

I never said each player knows the same amount about the intricacies of the game. In fact, if you read my post, I say the exact opposite. That your experience and willingness to learn and study the game impacts your "basketball IQ." Some guys take longer to do that than others. Some guys are willing to put in the work and some aren't. My point is that "Basketball IQ" is not so much a reflection of actual IQ, but may be more a reflection of a player's committment to the game and to improving their individual understanding of how the game can best be played within the team concept. I was trying to point out that some people take offense to the term b/c in saying that a player has a low basketball IQ, to them you are implying the player has a low IQ in general, which may or may not be the case.
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I don't care if the term "basketball IQ", "basketball smarts", "basketball intelligence", or reverse the field and call it "basketball stupidity"...they all mean the same thing to me, and this is regardless of color, race, creed, whatever. Stockton and Brevin Knight know how to play the game, Jason Williams doesn't know how to play the game as well as they did/do. How should it be classified. I just don't see what the problem is. Some guys just know how to play the game better than others. By discounting something like "basketball intelligence" exists, you are saying each player knows the same amount about the intricacies of the game and that is just simply an untruth.

I never said each player knows the same amount about the intricacies of the game. In fact, if you read my post, I say the exact opposite. That your experience and willingness to learn and study the game impacts your "basketball IQ." Some guys take longer to do that than others. Some guys are willing to put in the work and some aren't. My point is that "Basketball IQ" is not so much a reflection of actual IQ, but may be more a reflection of a player's committment to the game and to improving their individual understanding of how the game can best be played within the team concept. I was trying to point out that some people take offense to the term b/c in saying that a player has a low basketball IQ, to them you are implying the player has a low IQ in general, which may or may not be the case.

That's why they call it "basketball IQ" to differentiate it from actual IQ. It's your interpretation of the term that makes it feel like it's an indictment of their actual intelligence levels. Others among us don't feel this way. I have straight A students on my team that have low "BASKETBALL IQ's". Okay from now on let's change the wording. We'll say knowledge of the game. Anyone that used the word IQ will be flogged.
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Posted by TheGame:
I don't care if the term "basketball IQ", "basketball smarts", "basketball intelligence", or reverse the field and call it "basketball stupidity"...they all mean the same thing to me, and this is regardless of color, race, creed, whatever. Stockton and Brevin Knight know how to play the game, Jason Williams doesn't know how to play the game as well as they did/do. How should it be classified. I just don't see what the problem is. Some guys just know how to play the game better than others. By discounting something like "basketball intelligence" exists, you are saying each player knows the same amount about the intricacies of the game and that is just simply an untruth.

I never said each player knows the same amount about the intricacies of the game. In fact, if you read my post, I say the exact opposite. That your experience and willingness to learn and study the game impacts your "basketball IQ." Some guys take longer to do that than others. Some guys are willing to put in the work and some aren't. My point is that "Basketball IQ" is not so much a reflection of actual IQ, but may be more a reflection of a player's committment to the game and to improving their individual understanding of how the game can best be played within the team concept. I was trying to point out that some people take offense to the term b/c in saying that a player has a low basketball IQ, to them you are implying the player has a low IQ in general, which may or may not be the case.

I read your post, and I didn't mean mine to sound condescending, sorry if it did. I saw that you had a problem with the phrasing of the description. That first line is not meant to be nasty. The whole point I had was no matter what it is called it is still there.

My whole point was that, at least with me, as I don't speak for anyone else, the phrase holds no creed or race overtones. Jason Williams had as low a basketball IQ as Marbury, while both Bird and Magic had high ones.

My point is that it does exist, and I have said before you can make yourself a student of the game. It is there, no matter what it is called, and it can be used to classify players.
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