Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Mmmm, how about getting a lot of credit for winning those championships and being part of the organization known as the Yankees. Dunno about you, but sounds like a hell of a job for me.

In all fairness, Cashman inheritted a piece of gold. I don't pretend to know what happened from 2001-2005 when they did a lot of "starphucking"; maybe it was 100% Steinbrenner but I haven't seen proof of this. I'm just glad that that era appears to be over.

So did Torre.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Doesn't Cashman constantly rate as one of the most overrated GMs in sports. Look at like this, Cashman's glory has been 3 championships (everyone forgets that Watson was GM during 96). As been pointed out, the 98-2000 championship teams for the most part have been Gene Micheals' influence (drafting of Jeter, Williams, Posada,Pettitte and Rivera). I think Cashman's biggest claim to fame is still the Scott Brosius acquistion. The Boss has actually had a better track record with his FA suggestions then Cashman. How great would David Ortiz look in a Yankee uniform, Cashman against the Boss' desires didn't pursue him when he was with the Twins, Cashman made the trade for Vazquez, was against the pursuit of both Gary Sheffield and Matsui. Cashman glory includes Jeff Weaver, he traded Mike Lowell for Ed Yarnall who he predicted would be one of the best young pitchers (yeah don't kill yourself trying to find Ed Yarnall in the MLB), he signed Jarret Wright, he was behind the Drew Henson saga (its sad the amount of prospects that the Yankees had to give up to get him back only to have to release him). As for as the farm system being poor, well it the lack of Stick's input that has been the other significant factor. Put this guy in the NBA and he is the only guy that I would have confidence that Isiah could get the best of any deal.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 08-01-2006 12:52 PM]

You're correct. Fish will call you names now because you said something negative about his idol. Be prepared!

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

why is it lame? I'm a season ticket holder of all 81 games. I split them with a couple of guys but see them live 10-20 times a year, depending on my mood. Do Canadian newspapers talk about Philip Hughes? Do the dissect the details of the trades? Do they talk about Arod's $60mm being paid by Texas or the $15mm option that Phili will have to pay on Abreu? Or is it just "Yanks aquire more expensive talent" like ESPN and the rest of the national media spout out?

You may be a Yankee fan, but your not a very knowledgeable one. Instead you have taken this media created perception that there is no rhyme or reason to the Yanks and they just pour gazillions of dollars into the team, and that's why they succeed and the only reason they succeed. People that follow the team and pay attention to all the between the lines information (like Rich posted) know differently.

Does the $$$ give them an advantage? Obviously, but its only a part of what they do. Also, they weren't a monster payroll team in 96 when they won. What they did was continually put the huge amount of money their popularity was bringing in right back into the team. Its resulted in 10 straight division titles, 6 pennants, and 4 championships.

Your welcome for the discussion

I watch nearly every Yankee game, read NY paper articles, post on a Yankee forum, and follow the team very closely. I also go to about 5 games a year between when I'm in NY or when the Yankees come to Toronto. I honestly don't know the answers to your questions about the Canadian media because I get my information from watching the team and following the NY media.

How come with the Knicks responsibility always ends with the GM (i.e., the Francis and Rose trades) despite strong circumstantial evidence to the contrary, whereas with the Yankees and Cashman this does not apply? I keep an open mind on both and just admit that I don't know what degree of decision making can be attributed to the GM in either circumstance. You pretend to know more than you do if you believe you can determine who to attribute responsibility to for every decision. [Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08-01-2006 12:04 PM]

Still waiting for an answer!

Gee Bonn... I don't know. Maybe because MSG doesn't have a "braintrust."
The Knicks don't have a farm system.
The Yankees are owned by a passionate baseball fan dedicated to winning and having the best organization in the sport.
The Knicks are owned by rich kid who plays blues in bars, hires a GM to run his team and counts his pennies.
Its a dumb question... no offense.
As for the Canada stuff its because you talk like a guy that doesn't really know that much about what's going on in MLB and how the Yankees have run their business. It was just a guess.

Not I want part in the argument. Or that im choosing sides. But I think he attempted to answer your question with that. You must have missed it.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Could the Knicks have explored other options using one of their expiring contracts on acquiring Darius Miles? My gut instinct is that they COULD get that done. We would only be committed for 4 years and year 1 we 'd actually save a couple of million if it was Mo Taylor.

Is adding another player without SUBTRACTING another player smart in our position? I'm kind of indifferent on JJ and this contract. I liked JJ out of school, but he has under-perfomed in the NBA. While he will help defensively, doesn't he represent more finesse, on a finese-orientated team? It's not like he is ripping down 9 rebounds or blocking 2 shots--he's 6-4. We are paying him on potential and we also bypassed a superior player in the draft to take Balkman at 20, who would have a similar role and probably could put up 6-4 with some D? I mean Trevor Ariza, given the same playing time as JJ, would probably pan out to helping just as much or possibly more[or even much more] than Jefferies for the cost of 8mm for 3 years. To me, this is just another example of overpaying/cluster fkcing the roster. I don't think this is the way I'd go.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-31-2006 08:26 AM]

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Nalod:

Snit.

For an old man, you've got a lot of immaturity!
I'm not the first to say it, but you, Briggs, allanfan, fish, and Martin have one sick (not in a good sense) cult going.

Not sure if you know this or not... and, by all means, Nalod, correct me if I'm wrong. My observation is when someone completely nails you, you don't respond, and instead wait for the first person who says something that remotely supports your argument, then agree wholeheartedly with that poster, and follow by giving a sarcastic mention of your earlier encounter that you didn't respond to. I think that's what Nalod is referring to, when he says snit.

No worries, Bonn, overall you're not a bad guy. Sometimes your logic just eludes most of us. As for the cult, can I join in too? That sounds like a pretty cool cult.

Posted by oohah:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Nalod:

Snit.

For an old man, you've got a lot of immaturity!
I'm not the first to say it, but you, Briggs, allanfan, fish, and Martin have one sick (not in a good sense) cult going.

Not sure if you know this or not... and, by all means, Nalod, correct me if I'm wrong. My observation is when someone completely nails you, you don't respond, and instead wait for the first person who says something that remotely supports your argument, then agree wholeheartedly with that poster, and follow by giving a sarcastic mention of your earlier encounter that you didn't respond to. I think that's what Nalod is referring to, when he says snit.

No worries, Bonn, overall you're not a bad guy. Sometimes your logic just eludes most of us. As for the cult, can I join in too? That sounds like a pretty cool cult.

That's not the way I see it. I see that some guys have been calling Bonn nasty names quite a bit for a while now. While they may be joking, there is a limit to that kind of stuff before it stops being funny and it is just finding somebody to pick on...I wonder how the name callers would feel if they were the one constantly being called names? I'll bet they would have gotten tired of it and blown up. Bonn has been really cool about it, I have to admire his restraint.

oohah

Bonnie has a fan! Thats so cute

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Doesn't Cashman constantly rate as one of the most overrated GMs in sports. Look at like this, Cashman's glory has been 3 championships (everyone forgets that Watson was GM during 96). As been pointed out, the 98-2000 championship teams for the most part have been Gene Micheals' influence (drafting of Jeter, Williams, Posada,Pettitte and Rivera). I think Cashman's biggest claim to fame is still the Scott Brosius acquistion. The Boss has actually had a better track record with his FA suggestions then Cashman. How great would David Ortiz look in a Yankee uniform, Cashman against the Boss' desires didn't pursue him when he was with the Twins, Cashman made the trade for Vazquez, was against the pursuit of both Gary Sheffield and Matsui. Cashman glory includes Jeff Weaver, he traded Mike Lowell for Ed Yarnall who he predicted would be one of the best young pitchers (yeah don't kill yourself trying to find Ed Yarnall in the MLB), he signed Jarret Wright, he was behind the Drew Henson saga (its sad the amount of prospects that the Yankees had to give up to get him back only to have to release him). As for as the farm system being poor, well it the lack of Stick's input that has been the other significant factor. Put this guy in the NBA and he is the only guy that I would have confidence that Isiah could get the best of any deal.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 08-01-2006 12:52 PM]

You're correct. Fish will call you names now because you said something negative about his idol. Be prepared!

Snit.

For an old man, you've got a lot of immaturity!
I'm not the first to say it, but you, Briggs, allanfan, fish, and Martin have one sick (not in a good sense) cult going.


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08-01-2006 9:18 PM]

Posted by Solace:

Originally posted by oohah:

That's not the way I see it. I see that some guys have been calling Bonn nasty names quite a bit for a while now. While they may be joking, there is a limit to that kind of stuff before it stops being funny and it is just finding somebody to pick on...I wonder how the name callers would feel if they were the one constantly being called names? I'll bet they would have gotten tired of it and blown up. Bonn has been really cool about it, I have to admire his restraint.
oohah

If there's name calling, first off, I want to say, it should definitely be kept to a minimum. That being said, there's a fair amount dished back and attacks on posters going both ways (e.g.: BRIGGS being insulted in threads that BRIGGS hasn't even made a post in). By all means, we should treat people like people, and there's respect that has to be given. That being said, people do have their limits for how much they can put up with. Although you don't see it that way, that's my observation of why things break down. Here's the usual process: (1) Poster make an argument that many see as a little illogical, (2) Another poster responds and gives fair counterargument, (3) First poster conveniently ignore the given explanation and/or responds with an insult, then continue to harp on original point as if it's unequivocally true, (4) first poster later insults second poster (often after someone finally agrees with first poster) and then say that second poster they never answered the question or act as if nobody can prove him wrong and that nobody even given a valid argument. This does happen a lot and is tiring at times. It makes it not so fun to have a reasonable discussion, because reason is being tossed out the window. Can we not agree that said behavior falls under the realm of 'snit'?

[Edited by - Solace on 08-02-2006 09:31 AM]

Posted by Allanfan20:

Hey Bip, why don't you go back to your home on whore island.

Originally posted by fishmike:

whore Island???? Who's got directions? I wanna take my tugboat to that tuna town