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7/29/2006  5:54 PM
I really think this guy is going to turn your heads once you see what he does on the court. His stats, which I know alot of people love to put alot of emphasis on, are not glamorous, but he really does things out on the court that help his team win. I don't care what anyone says, I've seen his man to man defense and he's very good with it and also his long arms will really help this team defensively. Also, he's going to take alot of pressure off Marbury and Francis because one of them will NOT be guarding the opposing teams best player which benefit them on offense. I'm telling you, he will turns heads when you see him play every game.
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7/29/2006  6:51 PM
I think knicks fans seem to go over board one way or another on every topic that comes up these days.

5million isn't a hard contract to move if we don't want Jeffries two years from now. Three to five years from now a backup 2/3/4 on the bench is not a bad thing to have for 6 million.

I see a couple of posters talking about the artest and Rodman comparisons Isiah made to what he see in bulkman(saying this signing is a knock on him), when even those great defenders took 3-4 years to develop.......... can somebody tell me how JJ-2 making the MLE is a knock on balkman???? Balkman is a project and his best case should be a backup on this team for this and next year.

The new knick logo should be a Lifesaver or one of those yellow vest......... everybody is going overboard.

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7/29/2006  7:00 PM
I don't know where I am at with this. for 30mm $ could we have paired both picks with 3mm $ and moved up a few spots to nab Ronnie Brewer? My bet is Ronniw is going to be MUCH better player than Jefferies and fills the bill defensively at the three spot. It just seems when we do something it's overkill. There is no way on this green earth we couyldve swapped for darius miles with exsisting players?
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7/29/2006  10:28 PM
Just in case the Wiz don't match...


6'11 Curry

6'11 Frye

6'11 Jeffries

6.3 Francis

6. Sheikbury

6.95 Lee as sixth man



Next Up

Crawford

Nate

Balkman

Jerome for comic relief

Thats' ten
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7/29/2006  10:55 PM
>>I don't mean to kill this poor kid but he makes ZERO sense for us, a team that is in dire need of shedding payroll and making better financial commitments to the right players moving forward.

finestrg - shedding payroll is not the objective


acquiring a coherant set of basketball talent is the objective

The stocky 6'6 Quentin Richardson does not match up well defensively with the stretch forwards in the league

Qyntel is talented with the ball but raw on defense. And I like Qyntel.



[Edited by - misterearl on 07-29-2006 11:00 PM]
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7/30/2006  2:21 PM
This is a solid move for the Knicks if it goes through. We'd have a lot of defensive minded players to compliment our offensive ones and Jefferies can run the floor to fit in with the rest of our boys.

I have a feeling Washington will match this one though.
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7/30/2006  2:51 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

This is a solid move for the Knicks if it goes through. We'd have a lot of defensive minded players to compliment our offensive ones and Jefferies can run the floor to fit in with the rest of our boys.

I have a feeling Washington will match this one though.

The only offensive players at the 3 spot is Jalen Rose and Q Woods. I don't think J Rose is a long term plan. So now you are left with Q Woods. Balkman from what I saw is capable of playing man to man defense and stepping in the passing lane. YOu would have been better making an offer to Ariza who would have been cheaper. Jefferies has no position. Sure could guard 3 to 4 positions but he can't play none of them. Playing Jefferies $30 million does not make him such an affordable trade bait either. Unless you are going to get rid of Marbury, Francis and Nate, Jefferies will have the same issues in NY like he had in DC. Guards who look to get their shot off.
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7/30/2006  3:05 PM
The fact that the Wiz offered him a bigger contract, doesn't sound good for the Knicks right now. We'll see, and also, how can a guy who is 6'-11" be a 'shooting guard'? He's practically 7'.


Posted by martin:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/28/AR2006072801323.html

Knicks Sign Jeffries to Offer Sheet

By Ivan Carter
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, July 28, 2006; 6:06 PM

The New York Knicks signed restricted free agent guard/forward Jared Jeffries to an offer sheet this afternoon, according to NBA sources.

The Washington Wizards will have seven days to decide whether to match the offer. Team owner Abe Pollin, president of basketball operations Ernie Grunfeld and coach Eddie Jordan have all indicated a desire to retain Jeffries.


Terms of the offer sheet were not available. Jeffries has long been coveted by Isiah Thomas, New York president of basketball operations and head coach. Like Jeffries, Thomas starred at Indiana University.

The Wizards have 13 players under contract after the recent signing of free agent forward Darius Songaila to a five-year, $21 million contract, and have room under the NBA's luxury tax threshold to match the offer to Jeffries, according to sources.

Pollin has indicated that he is willing to spend up to, but not over, the luxury tax threshold $65.4 million. Teams with payrolls over the threshold pay a dollar-for-dollar penalty to the league on the amount of payroll that exceeds $65.4 million.

The most likely scenario, according to sources, is that the Wizards will use the full seven days before matching the offer sheet to retain Jeffries.

Jeffries was drafted by the Wizards with the 11th overall pick in 2002 and has posted averages of 6.1 points and 4.8 rebounds in four seasons while carving out a role as perhaps the team's best all-around defender.

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7/30/2006  3:08 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

I dont think this is that good of a move. jeffries is overrated imo, If I had to guess I would say that we either dont get jeffries, or we overpay him. most likely we dont get him.

The only problem I have is the 'five' year contract. Why do we always have to sign them for so long? Whatever happened to two, three year contracts? If he turns into a bust, then once again, we're stuck with another one.
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7/30/2006  3:12 PM
Posted by purple012870:

This will be blasted in Renaldo Balkman like fashion on the media & on most fan web sites (of course, every move is blasted---last week, you might have thought we lost Moses Malone in his prime as opposed to Jackie Butler), but this is a good move. The guy Jefferies is a mobile 6'11", plays the 3 mostly, defends very well, passes, has a good handle. He's the diametric opposite of the primadonna mentality that brings this team down. He's smart, selfless & his length at the 3 is not quite that of Tayshaun Prince, is somewhat similar. He is not really a scorer but has a skill set to finish at times.

I'm liking what I'm hearing here. I hope he gets signed by us. If anything, I'd settle for a great defensive player. He alone could probably knock off ten points from other teams on the defensive side.

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7/30/2006  3:15 PM
Posted by anklebraker:

i would love for this signing to happen zeke needs to make up for the non jackie signing so this might be a fun season


What's the worst that can happen? We save a little money for something better that may come along by next season? We'll be in good shape either way.
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7/30/2006  3:19 PM
Posted by McK1:

best part about it - no quirky, conference rival cap-saving zany ass sign and trade proposal.

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-28-2006 10:14 PM]

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7/30/2006  3:30 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by metra:

Isiah keeps making fine moves but everyone gets on his ass afterwards. Just watch.. most of the people in this thread like this move. However, by the all star game, it's gonna be "the worst move ever because there is no chemistry." Isiah's not responsible for chemistry. The coach is. And since the coach is Isiah.. well, you better believe he's gonna do a gj.

He makes fine moves talentwise.

But it is starting to get alarming that he makes moves to patch up spots then following them up with moves that he sees as better when all he is doing is double stacking the deck(signing James, drafting a PF/C in Frye then going after Curry.....having Butler on the roster, then drafting not one but 2 PF's in Frye and Lee....drafting Balkman and touting him so high, then signing someone that makes him a 4th option at the position...in the span of a year getting Steph, than a young PG in Craw, than drafting a young PG in Nate)...

Hey guys! What is the one thing that we have not had in years, maybe never had? Youth!

Frye, Lee, Nate, Balkman, Crawford, Curry, Woods, Collins and now maybe Jeffries. I just don't remember being this young before. Have we 'ever' been this young before? Can you see what Zeke is up to.
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7/30/2006  3:31 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by franco12:

would all the folks who were criticizing our non-signing of Butler please step forward and give Isiah his due.
I'll step forward but I wont' give him his due on the butler issue. There's no good reason why we couldn't waive one of the six or seven useless veterans on the team to have room for Butler and Jeffries.


That might be a good point.
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7/30/2006  3:37 PM
Posted by franco12:

That quote above is from the AP- might be in a number of places- the story is also reporting the contract is a max mle- 5 years, $30mm.

The one problem I might have is Jeffries really seemed to step up in the playoffs last year- sounds familiar.

JJ=JJ?

I doubt it since Jared is much younger and I think the potential is there.

I am happy if this happens. I have a feeling Washington will think they could get similar or better production out of someone like Blatche...


Oh yeah, that sounds familiar. But this guy is young and JJ is old ass.
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7/30/2006  3:50 PM
Posted by purple012870:

What I like about this is that he can defend. I'm not saying he's Ron Artest. But, he's at least above-avg on the defensive end. I gotta think that between Frye, Lee, Curry & Jeff....those guys would avg 5 blocks with the extended minutes they'll get.

Also, look around the league. You have Dirk, LeBron, Pierce, Redd, Wade, Kobe, TMac, Anthony....perhaps Barnani or Morrison in the future. If you don't have wing players like this & let's face it, prospects of landing one are remote....you better have a hope of defending them. Would I expect Balkman & Jefferies to be shut down defenders on these guys? Of course not. But I do like what they bring in terms of defensive ability. Its certainly a step in the right direction from some of the recent 3's (KVH, Tim Thomas, Woods, JRose etc.) the Knicks have had in terms of defensive ability, inclination & attitude.

The fact that Jefferies has a good relationship w/ IT, a good handle, can dish & a nice touch around the hoops is GRAVY.

To me, the addition (if offer not matched) improves the projection from 38 to 43 wins.


5 blocks pg, would be a big upgrade from our 3.3 average of last season. On the offensive side of us, opponents averaged 5.3 against us! Maintaining our offense, while hugely upgrading our defense would put a lot more wins on the scoreboard for us. I'm confident that, that will now happen. The whole defensive questions just might have been the biggest problem of them all.
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7/30/2006  3:53 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I think that QRIch is better than Jeffries at this point and is the starter at the 3 for the knicks come the start of the season.

If he really has that much of a problem with Marbury then we have to let him go, but I think he's beginning to represent knick grit.

Here comes the Marbury problem already. I like Q a lot and feel that he has much more potential then he showed last year, considering his tragedy.
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7/30/2006  4:00 PM
Posted by Nalod:

This is alot of money given our tax. Given our payroll, it seems like Isiah is trying like hell t save his ass.

Here is my problem, like panicking and signing JJ last year with no regard to Butlers upside, is Isiah also being short sighted and not giving regard to DLee and QDogs upside? Jeffries looks like one of those "grass is greener" kind of player.

I just can't see paying bigtime for a player at the premium SF spot that is not a good shooter? His Defense really that great? Not good, but its great?

Is Dlees feet that much slower on the perimeter? Is Qdog really that much worse then Jeffries? Is isiah vindictive to rid himself of Larry favorite Butler and Larrys suggestive Qdog because they are not worthy or they reek of Larry?

Its stupid, but Isiah does crap like this all the time.

I realize this is maybe 50-50 he gets him, but does signing him actually make drafting Balkman a waste?

I hope Isiah is not just doing this for this year because at somepoint we have to decide on what to do with Dlee, who seems to have still nice upside. I'd hate to have Jeffries contract block us keeping a good player in the future just cuz Isiah panicked.

Gotta think down the road!

I agree. That's why I wonder why we got to sign the guy to 5 years? It is kind of panicking, isn't it? Hmmm. May need to rethink this. It does' seem like if we wait, we can get something much better. And I too would have liked to have seen Butler a little more. Good points.
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7/30/2006  4:02 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

This is alot of money given our tax. Given our payroll, it seems like Isiah is trying like hell t save his ass.

Here is my problem, like panicking and signing JJ last year with no regard to Butlers upside, is Isiah also being short sighted and not giving regard to DLee and QDogs upside? Jeffries looks like one of those "grass is greener" kind of player.

I just can't see paying bigtime for a player at the premium SF spot that is not a good shooter? His Defense really that great? Not good, but its great?

Is Dlees feet that much slower on the perimeter? Is Qdog really that much worse then Jeffries? Is isiah vindictive to rid himself of Larry favorite Butler and Larrys suggestive Qdog because they are not worthy or they reek of Larry?

Its stupid, but Isiah does crap like this all the time.

I realize this is maybe 50-50 he gets him, but does signing him actually make drafting Balkman a waste?

I hope Isiah is not just doing this for this year because at somepoint we have to decide on what to do with Dlee, who seems to have still nice upside. I'd hate to have Jeffries contract block us keeping a good player in the future just cuz Isiah panicked.

Gotta think down the road!

It can be worked out if Isiah plays the best players and doesn't worry about salary or egos corresponding to playing time. I think the hardest thing will be getting minutes for Jamal, Nate, and Steve.

PG: Marbury 34 min, Jamal 14
SG: Francis 28, Nate 14, Jamal 6
SF: Jeffries 26, Balkman 14, Lee 8
PF: Lee 20, Frye 20, M Rose 8
C: Curry 28 (more if he's in top shape), JJ 10 (more if in shape fewer if not in shape), Frye 10

DNP-CDs: J Rose, Q Rich, Mo Taylor, Collins

Not sure if I'm leaving anyone out.
Players get injured. It's always better to have some depth.


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-29-2006 11:50 AM]


But you have' to worry about a particular ego around here, in the name of Marbury. He has already proven to be destructive and cannot be trusted.
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