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oohah
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6/29/2006  1:27 AM
not quite just really curious how all of a sudden Marbury is going to go from a halfcourt pg which he has been since he came into the league to a running pg at 30

This categorization of Marbury as a half-court or running PG is not correct. He is a strong, athletic PG with top-notch scoring and ball-handling skills. He can play half-court or uptempo. There is no reason whatsoever he cannot excel in an uptempo style, whether or not he has played it before. (And he has played uptempo, in college and with Minnesota.)

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6/29/2006  1:29 AM
a little blurb from dj's trip to the draft...

with the 15th pick, the new orleans hornets select cedric simmons

"philly's gonna take marcus. they want a pg. it's either him or rondo. i know it."

with the 16th pick, the philadelphia 76ers select rodney carney

"he's going to indy. they like farmar but marcus is better. i know they're gonna take him."

with the 17th pick, the indiana pacers select shawne williams

"wait a second. isn't that who we wanted. wow, does that mean they don't sign peja? but wait...washington? sacramento? holy schnikeys. marcus is gonna drop to us. no way. i can't believe this."

with the 18th pick, the washington wizards select oleksiy percherov

"oh man. one more pick." {the draft crowd starts BUZZING big time.}

with the 19th pick, the sacramento kings select quincy douby

"HOLY SH T." the crowd EXPLODES. "MAR-CUS WIL-LIAMS" clap clap clap clap "MAR-CUS WIL-LIAMS" clap clap clap. "we're gonna take him. i can't believe marcus dropped to us. finally, a pass first pg."

"MAR-CUS WIL-LIAMS" clap clap clap clap clap. 3000 people STRONG chanting this. deafening.

david stern walks out. the crowd goes SILENT.

with the 20th pick of the 2006 draft, the new york knicks select....

the whole theater is STANDING. waiting on every word from stern's mouth...

RENALDO BALKMAN

"BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
"BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
"WHO THE F IS THAT?!?!?!"

"FI-RE THOMAS" clap clap clap clap
"FI-RE THOMAS" clap clap clap clap
"FI-RE THOMAS" clap clap clap clap
"FI-RE THOMAS" clap clap clap clap
"FI-RE THOMAS" clap clap clap clap

the theater was near riot. people to the left of me got up and LEFT the draft b/c they were p ssed.

we all grab our draft booklets to see who this guy is. we all turn the pages, read from top to bottom. we can't find him. HE'S NOT IN THE BOOK!!!

sitting next to me is a season ticket rep. he turns over and says "we just lost thousands of dollars b/c of that pick."

"didn't we have him already? didn't riley bench him in game 7? didn't he used to play with devek harker in dallas?"

"watch him go to the nets. he'll chill behind kidd for 2 years. will develop. you don't think he has a chip on his shoulder like jameer nelson? so when the nets move to brooklyn, he's going to be a thorn in our side for years to come..."

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dj's take: i do not like isiah thomas. BUT if there's one thing i think he's earned, it's the benefit of the doubt in the draft. this kid probably CAN play. i think he'll be a contributor. and he plays defense. isiah said he felt pheonix was going to take him after us. to that, i call BULLSH T. but regardless, he doesn't need to shoot the ball and he plays defense. what we need.

WITH THAT SAID, passing on a guy like marcus williams was still a bad move. not only would he have been our FIRST pass-first guard, he had time to develop. with isiah's one year deadline, #20 and #29 weren't getting major minutes anyway. so why not take the best pg in the draft, the BPA, and let him sit for a year or two and when our glut is cleared, he'll play?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-29-2006 01:30 AM]
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6/29/2006  1:29 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

we have you ever seen Marbury run? Never has doubt he'll start running at 30
How old is Nash?
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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6/29/2006  1:31 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by gunsnewing:

Eddy Curry/Channing Frye/Marbury is not a running team so I don't know where this idea that we're replicating Phoenix is coming from. running 2nd unit maybe

that's a good point - Marbury and Curry are built for a half court game. The offense needs to be opened up within the half court game though - meaning three pt shots allowed and plenty of screen and rolls with Marbury/Craw/Nate and Lee/Frye/Curry.



Not every player on an uptempo squad has to be a speed demon. Kurt Thomas was doing fine with Phoenix. Eddie Curry can be the last guy down the court as long as he rebounds and kicks the ball out he is doing great.

Channing Frye played his college ball in a running program so we already know he can run. And why can't Marbury play an uptempo game? Is he not fast enough? what is it that would hold him back?

oohah

Marbury's ankle problems. He doesn't really move the ball well on the fast break either. I think he's a fantastic half court offensive PG, but thats about it. Curry CAN run, but will he? Frye, Craw, Nate, Lee - of course those guys can and do run.
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6/29/2006  1:33 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by gunsnewing:

we have you ever seen Marbury run? Never has doubt he'll start running at 30
How old is Nash?

different mindset. nash is like a soccer player, always moving. Marbury is pure half-court. it's not a problem, just what he is.
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6/29/2006  1:33 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by gunsnewing:

we have you ever seen Marbury run? Never has doubt he'll start running at 30
How old is Nash?

He was drafted in '96. Probably 32 or 33.
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6/29/2006  1:34 AM
while we're "appreciating" Renaldo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcO9a6kFqyM&search=balkman
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6/29/2006  1:34 AM
Marbury's ankle problems. He doesn't really move the ball well on the fast break either. I think he's a fantastic half court offensive PG, but thats about it. Curry CAN run, but will he? Frye, Craw, Nate, Lee - of course those guys can and do run.

For all of Marbury's ankle troubles he still runs around and through defensive players. Would you like to be the guy standing in front of Marbury trying to stop him on the break? He can take anyone, and that leaves a lot of lanes open for the other guys. All they have to do is run with him, and practice makes perfect. The ability is there.

Like I said before we can argue about it all summer, but seeing is believing. I believe an open uptempo game will unleash Marburys abilities like never before.

oohah

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6/29/2006  1:37 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

while we're "appreciating" Renaldo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcO9a6kFqyM&search=balkman

Jesus saves souls. Renaldo saves field goals.
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6/29/2006  1:38 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by gunsnewing:

we have you ever seen Marbury run? Never has doubt he'll start running at 30
How old is Nash?
It was a question I knew the answer to, he's 32. Marbury is a supremely well conditioned athlete and younger than Nash. He can run.

He was drafted in '96. Probably 32 or 33.

http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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6/29/2006  1:39 AM
Posted by oohah:
Marbury's ankle problems. He doesn't really move the ball well on the fast break either. I think he's a fantastic half court offensive PG, but thats about it. Curry CAN run, but will he? Frye, Craw, Nate, Lee - of course those guys can and do run.

For all of Marbury's ankle troubles he still runs around and through defensive players. Would you like to be the guy standing in front of Marbury trying to stop him on the break? He can take anyone, and that leaves a lot of lanes open for the other guys. All they have to do is run with him, and practice makes perfect. The ability is there.

Like I said before we can argue about it all summer, but seeing is believing. I believe an open uptempo game will unleash Marburys abilities like never before.

oohah

I've watched Marbury very closely. He rests a lot on the court and explodes off of a pick and roll for like 3 seconds and finishes or dishes. I've seen him rub his ankles quite a few times. He's had multiple ankle surgeries. it's just a theory I have, but I don't think he's comfortable running all day.
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6/29/2006  1:40 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by gunsnewing:

we have you ever seen Marbury run? Never has doubt he'll start running at 30
How old is Nash?
It was a question I knew the answer to, he's 32. Marbury is a supremely well conditioned athlete and younger than Nash. He can run.

He was drafted in '96. Probably 32 or 33.


but will he want to run? He lacks the intangibles of Nash & Kidd
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6/29/2006  1:41 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by oohah:
Marbury's ankle problems. He doesn't really move the ball well on the fast break either. I think he's a fantastic half court offensive PG, but thats about it. Curry CAN run, but will he? Frye, Craw, Nate, Lee - of course those guys can and do run.

For all of Marbury's ankle troubles he still runs around and through defensive players. Would you like to be the guy standing in front of Marbury trying to stop him on the break? He can take anyone, and that leaves a lot of lanes open for the other guys. All they have to do is run with him, and practice makes perfect. The ability is there.

Like I said before we can argue about it all summer, but seeing is believing. I believe an open uptempo game will unleash Marburys abilities like never before.

oohah

I've watched Marbury very closely. He rests a lot on the court and explodes off of a pick and roll for like 3 seconds and finishes or dishes. I've seen him rub his ankles quite a few times. He's had multiple ankle surgeries. it's just a theory I have, but I don't think he's comfortable running all day.
Didn't he lead the league in minutes in `05?

http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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6/29/2006  1:41 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by gunsnewing:

we have you ever seen Marbury run? Never has doubt he'll start running at 30
How old is Nash?
It was a question I knew the answer to, he's 32. Marbury is a supremely well conditioned athlete and younger than Nash. He can run.

He was drafted in '96. Probably 32 or 33.


but will he want to run? He lacks the intangibles of Nash & Kidd
I think he'll do what his coach wants him to do.

http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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6/29/2006  1:44 AM
I've watched Marbury very closely. He rests a lot on the court and explodes off of a pick and roll for like 3 seconds and finishes or dishes. I've seen him rub his ankles quite a few times. He's had multiple ankle surgeries. it's just a theory I have, but I don't think he's comfortable running all day.

That's okay becuase he does not have to run all day. In fact, there are Robinson, Crawford, and Francis to take turns pushing the ball. And I am not advocating run and gun either, I am advocating putting pressure on the opposing defense by taking advantage of our athletes when the situation arises.

I think Marbury still has enough in the tank to zip down court 15 times a game, and if 3 seconds of juice is all he has, that is enough for him to get from one foul line to the basket.

If he gets tired, we have a lot of guards, and we should use them.

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6/29/2006  1:45 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:

Didn't he lead the league in minutes in `05?

second. but that's not what I'm saying - I think he takes plays off on defense and doesn't move on offense without the ball because of the ankles.
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6/29/2006  1:46 AM
Posted by oohah:
Marbury's ankle problems. He doesn't really move the ball well on the fast break either. I think he's a fantastic half court offensive PG, but thats about it. Curry CAN run, but will he? Frye, Craw, Nate, Lee - of course those guys can and do run.

For all of Marbury's ankle troubles he still runs around and through defensive players. Would you like to be the guy standing in front of Marbury trying to stop him on the break? He can take anyone, and that leaves a lot of lanes open for the other guys. All they have to do is run with him, and practice makes perfect. The ability is there.

Like I said before we can argue about it all summer, but seeing is believing. I believe an open uptempo game will unleash Marburys abilities like never before.

oohah


thats different than running up and down the court for 40mins and still getting his 20 & 8

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06-29-2006 01:48 AM]
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Posted by oohah:
Marbury's ankle problems. He doesn't really move the ball well on the fast break either. I think he's a fantastic half court offensive PG, but thats about it. Curry CAN run, but will he? Frye, Craw, Nate, Lee - of course those guys can and do run.

For all of Marbury's ankle troubles he still runs around and through defensive players. Would you like to be the guy standing in front of Marbury trying to stop him on the break? He can take anyone, and that leaves a lot of lanes open for the other guys. All they have to do is run with him, and practice makes perfect. The ability is there.

Like I said before we can argue about it all summer, but seeing is believing. I believe an open uptempo game will unleash Marburys abilities like never before.

oohah


thats different than running up and down the court for 20mins and still getting his 20 & 8


I am not sure what you mean.

oohah


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Didn't he lead the league in minutes in `05?

second. but that's not what I'm saying - I think he takes plays off on defense and doesn't move on offense without the ball because of the ankles.
We'll see how they work it with all those guards, but I'd expect to see Steph picking up the tempo or fewer minutes.

http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by oohah:
Marbury's ankle problems. He doesn't really move the ball well on the fast break either. I think he's a fantastic half court offensive PG, but thats about it. Curry CAN run, but will he? Frye, Craw, Nate, Lee - of course those guys can and do run.

For all of Marbury's ankle troubles he still runs around and through defensive players. Would you like to be the guy standing in front of Marbury trying to stop him on the break? He can take anyone, and that leaves a lot of lanes open for the other guys. All they have to do is run with him, and practice makes perfect. The ability is there.

Like I said before we can argue about it all summer, but seeing is believing. I believe an open uptempo game will unleash Marburys abilities like never before.

oohah


thats different than running up and down the court for 20mins and still getting his 20 & 8


I am not sure what you mean.

oohah

Marbury would not have enough in the tank to average 20+ for his career if he ran like kidd & nash. He doesn't have enough in the tank for defense..forget running
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