Im going with No also. But I do think we will get him though..

No, No and no. No more Mcdyess trades. Besides, his knees won't hold up for very much longer. He already isn't the same player he used to be.

Posted by nykshaknbake:

No, No and no. No more Mcdyess trades. Besides, his knees won't hold up for very much longer. He already isn't the same player he used to be.

that's just it though... this isn't even close to being the same as that McDyess trade where we gave up a #7 pick & our starting C to get an injury risk w/a big contract... we're talking about trading either a maxed out malcontent of our own, or an expiring contract of a veteran player that we no longer need... it is from that standpoint alone that i think this is a deal that is worth taking the risk on, because it's ONLY about dollars, not about giving away too much talentwise, which really was what hurt the most about that McDyess trade.

if he's healthy, and we don't lose Frye or Lee, I think he helps the defense immensely. I would like to get rid of either Francis or Marbury in this deal though, not just give them expiring contracts.

Yes, but only if we can move some deadweight out. Something like 2 of 3 of Q, Malik, Big Game. And with Doc Lisa's full exam of course.

Posted by fishmike:

I would actually rather have big game. At least he's a nice guy and wont be disruptive while he milks MSG for his millions. KFart on the other hand will be an *******. He's pretty much established that

not for a couple of years. by the time he becomes a malcontent and we'll have bigger problems like trying to trade Eddy Curry

TMS, I agree, but KMart is the first ahole you described. Yes he's tough, but he has sulked (and in playoff games) and he's been a dick to teammates on both teams he's been on. He's got heart on the court but too much downside IMO... way too much. I dont know what the plan is with Mo "I'm a piece of meat" Taylor, but I would rather let Lee, Frye, even Butler fight for the minutes at PF this year. All have shown good things and all are very different.

As for ball Reggie Evans is the guy for me. His balls, Kaman's balls... doesnt matter, he's got plenty. He would be our JYD

TMS....I feel your argument. You make a good case for bringing in Kmart if only for deadweighted players like Qrich and Mo Taylor.

But this reminds me of some of our past trades that haven't worked out in our favor. We're constantly giving up lesser talent (on paper) and recieving the better talent (supposedly) but the better talent always comes to us after they have worn out their welcome-mat with their previous team.

The better talent never seems to work-out in our favor (see: Francis, Craw, Curry, etc..)

Im kind of on the fence even if we're only giving up "a piece of meat" and Qrich. But Im just tired of taking all these risky players that the other team can't wait to rid them selves of.

I guess you can put me down for No.....

Hmm... K-Mart is hurt and Fugazy is hurt. One guy made it a point to tell his coach, his team and everyone else in shouting distance that he can't play because he is hurt then cause such a disruption to get himself suspended. Meanwhile, the other guy has been downplaying his injury and only the press and his teammates are saying how much of a warrior he is for giving it a go. One guy wants more money and the other guy is wasting in a pile of it. Oh what was the question again. No to K-Mart.

I definitely had no intent of "biting off of Bip" and believe I explained my position clearly. People's views may have to be black and white to you, and by starting a "man up" thread I am just assuming that you see things that way here, but I don't care to be placed in the same corner with people who are vehemently against K-Mart, nor for him either.

In fact, I'm not sure why I should be concerned with what you say about what position or stipulation I am allowed to take or have, but my general point was that while I generally don't like the idea of adding K-Mart because I'm VERY concerned about his health, contract and chemistry issues (as well as the fact that we have Frye & Lee) if it is a deal that makes sense for helping this team (like ridding dead end contracts & malcontents and adding defensive minded, tough hearted players or other needs or upgrades) then I might be ok with it, if we have other clear incentives.

If it's a matter of K-Mart for Marbury and a few "throw ins" who have little use to us, well then I am against it, because I'd rather suck with Marbury for 2 years, and have his contract come off the cap, or wait to see if he can be dealt for something better.

But my explanation doesn't fit into the "man up," pseudo-internet machismo position I suppose.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-05-2006 7:54 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-05-2006 7:55 PM]

update:

YES:
TMS
MS
gunsnewing
bobs3304
MattSuspect
nyk4ever
TemujinKnick
4949
daddynel
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN
Armondaone
OAK
martin
mikesknicks (only in exchange for a G)
Nalod (only in exchange for 1 of our big contracts)
crzymdups (only in exchange for 1 of our big contracts)
joec32033 (not for Marbury or Francis)
lovespree (not for Marbury, Francis or Jalen

NO:
Caseloads
Allanfan20
McK1
fishmike
DarkKnicks
NYKBocker
Panos
EnySpree
djsunyc
Killa4Luv
buddapaw
nyvector16
WOODMANnYk
newyorknewyork
Silverfuel
oohah
holfresh
BasketballJones
s3231
Bonn1997
plax17
Marv
NYKPHINS
rvhoss
Slimpack
rojasmas
Masterplan
NYKniCksFan87
ultknicks524
nykshaknbake
bigbeast
Pharzeone
Bippity10 (reserves the right to say I told you so if KMart ends up playing well)

anyone else want their name removed, MAN UP NOW!!!