Had we not made the Marbury trade we were not getting Howard or Okafur, nor Livingston who is always injured....but Josh Smith or JR Smith would have been there.....Isiah doesn't have a clue in the world how to run a team, we should not be having this discussion because our pick should have be top 5 protected this year.....

And yeah if we get the number one pick this year Isiah should be fired, i like what i see out of the rookies but we'll see if anyone of them is built to be a superstar at both ends of the floor. Frye may turn into Shareef or Zach Randolf.....Nate is going to need sometime to play the game but he is what he is a sixth man that needs to limit his to's....he is a good rebounding energy role player off the bench.....

Teams trade good players for picks or multiple picks that could help build us a strong nuclues........

Crawford and Ariza are not good players lets be realistic people, nor will they ever be......Ariza has no offensive ability none! Crawford gets beat nearly every play and doesn't know how to follow a man around a screen

Posted by tkf:

Posted by MS:

Had we not made the Marbury trade we were not getting Howard or Okafur, nor Livingston who is always injured....but Josh Smith or JR Smith would have been there.....Isiah doesn't have a clue in the world how to run a team, we should not be having this discussion because our pick should have be top 5 protected this year.....

And yeah if we get the number one pick this year Isiah should be fired, i like what i see out of the rookies but we'll see if anyone of them is built to be a superstar at both ends of the floor. Frye may turn into Shareef or Zach Randolf.....Nate is going to need sometime to play the game but he is what he is a sixth man that needs to limit his to's....he is a good rebounding energy role player off the bench.....

Teams trade good players for picks or multiple picks that could help build us a strong nuclues........

Crawford and Ariza are not good players lets be realistic people, nor will they ever be......Ariza has no offensive ability none! Crawford gets beat nearly every play and doesn't know how to follow a man around a screen

and if we don't, should his job be spared for that reason alone? just doesn't make sense man.

For that reason alone should he lose his job? No. Should he lose his job for the cumulative negative effect that all of his moves as GM are going to have on this team for the next 5+ years? Absolutely.

Your sig's about a month late!

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Killa4luv:

so lets argue about the possibility that a pick that we traded away could have been the #1 pick? This is ridiculous.

There is a possibility that we could have gotten the #1 pick. That possibility was remote. However, we can hypothesize what record we would have had and where we would have picked without the Steph trade and I don't think its reasonable to assume we would have had the #1 or #2 pick.

With the pick that we most reasonably would have had without the Steph trade, we ALREADY know that those other slots did not win the #1 or #2 pick. We can argue over slight possibilities, or we can discuss what is mathmatically, and reasonably most likely.

Is it a possibility that the knicks could have gotten the #1 pick being the 6th seed? Yes.
Has it happened before? Yes, once.
Is it highly unlikely? Yes.
Does it make some people sound bitter when they need to reach back into time to discuss highly unlikely-hypothetical scenarios in order to make a move that they did not like seem exponentially worse?
Yes.

Its stupid to try to equate the Steph trade with passing up on Dwight Howard.

Dwight Howard could have been drafted by New York and got high on cocaine and died. Thats a possibility as well, and that has happened as well. So lets rejoice that we didn't tank and get the #1 pick who died from a cocaine overdose.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 01-24-2006 1:13 PM]

Nobody is trying to say that the Marbury trade equates to us passing up on Dwight Howard. I'm saying it equates to us giving up a potentially high lottery pick in 2004 (Which could have possibly gotten us Howard or Okafor or at the very least a good young player), another unprotected #1 in a few years, large expiring contracts and the financial flexibility that comes with not adding close to $200MM in salaries.

It could have more likely gotten us Josh Smith. It makes more sense to discuss what we would look like with him, not thee worst possible scenario (missing out on Howard or Okafor) especially when they are extremely highly unlikely scenarios.

Yeah, Josh Smith, Haffa, maybe Igoudala are more plausible candidates. Not that those are terrible options (other than Haffa) but I'd take Marbury over them by far.


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-25-2006 02:41 AM]

Posted by McK1:

killa what seed was Orlando when they moved up for Penny?

I don't know, but I do know that that was about 12 years ago, maybe I was in high school.

As of the orlando game here are the stats:
Frye 18 and 7
Curry 27 and 10

Howard 10 and 14

Again, I am not disputing the fact that Howard looks to be a complete monster. IF he ever learns some post moves, he has the kind of body to really be able to put some points up. His arms are so stupidly long that he could really be something, its a big part of the reason why he rebounds so well. But there are no signs that he will ever be as dominant as Curry or as effecient as Frye on the offense. Frye and Curry both have very soft hands and Howard does not.

To suggest Howard is better than both of them combined is totally ridiculous. As a rookie Frye averages the virtualy the same points, fg% and half the rebounds as Howard, while playing about 1/3 less minutes. I repeat Frye is a rookie. SO yes Howard is clearly a stud, but the notion that he is worth as much or or will ever have equal or more impact as Frye AND Curry, is totally rididculous. Unless you beleavie he will someday average 30+ and 14.

Posted by Killa4luv:

AND in the 3 games against Orlando Curry is averaging 26 and 8 shooting 59.5%!!!! And Curry is still learning the game.

Give me the offer, Ill take Howard for Frye and Curry.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Killa4luv:

AND in the 3 games against Orlando Curry is averaging 26 and 8 shooting 59.5%!!!! And Curry is still learning the game.

Give me the offer, Ill take Howard for Frye and Curry.

I'd do the deal too but I'm surprised by how much Curry is destroying the Magic with Dwight in the middle.