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12/6/2005  6:23 PM
people hunt deer for fun! Not to eat but to put them on the wall. Why aren't these people in jail? Come on bobs get off the gas. Do deer not have feelings? Long Live Bambi
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12/6/2005  6:42 PM
^ Get off it booman.

Think about what you say before you say it.

People shooting deer is still cruel in a way, but its either for sport or for food.

Not only that, but you need to acquire a liscene and be authorized to carry a firearm. It's also not intended to torture the animal, or gain some sort of sadistic pleasure out of it.


What Q did cannot be commpared.

Cmon man....
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12/6/2005  6:44 PM
Like I said on Realgm...

in cases like this,

its not WHAT he did so much that bothers me,

its the type of person he must be in order to have done it, and that's a sadistic, callously cruel human being.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/6/2005  6:47 PM
And Tom, I understand about the whole arguement about "having a different neurological makeup".

But lets be clear about one thing. Cause and effect are 2 different things.

Just b/c the cause can be justified medically doesnt make the effect justified.
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12/6/2005  6:56 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ Get off it booman.

Think about what you say before you say it.

People shooting deer is still cruel in a way, but its either for sport or for food.

Not only that, but you need to acquire a liscene and be authorized to carry a firearm. It's also not intended to torture the animal, or gain some sort of sadistic pleasure out of it.


What Q did cannot be commpared.

Cmon man....
hmmm. I think booman has a great analogy. By *society's* standards, what Q did is considered worse. However, I'm not sure I'd consider what Q did to one dog worse than someone who kills fifty deer per year just for the fun or sport of it.

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12/6/2005  7:27 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

And Tom, I understand about the whole arguement about "having a different neurological makeup".

But lets be clear about one thing. Cause and effect are 2 different things.

Just b/c the cause can be justified medically doesnt make the effect justified.


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bobs3304
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12/6/2005  9:33 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

hmmm. I think booman has a great analogy. By *society's* standards, what Q did is considered worse. However, I'm not sure I'd consider what Q did to one dog worse than someone who kills fifty deer per year just for the fun or sport of it.

This is true. Civilization often dictates how we look at certain things.

Slavery was a cultural norm 2 hundred years ago. Now its abhorred.

Difference is that deer hunting may be equally cruel, but its socially accepted.

Doing what Woods is most def. not. It's a ****in FELONY.


You could also argue that deer hunting is not in any way torture and inhumane, while starving dogs and putting them through psychological devistation.....is.

And it wasn't 1 dog.....it was ATLEAST 7.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 12-06-2005 9:34 PM]
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12/6/2005  9:52 PM
1) Animals are not only raised to be eaten they are often kept in deplorable conditions. We don't need to eat any meat and we certainly eat much more then we need to - for pleasure. So unless you're a veg (LI) - it isn't hard to make an argument that you participate in the abuse of animal - for pleasure.

2) Cock fighting is illegal - a number of athletes have publicly admitted keeping fighting birds - does it offend you as much?

My only point here is that as a society we have a very inconsistent view towards animals. I don't think what Q did is acceptable - but it probably was in the circle he ran with. Is that so much different then us picking up some chicken at KFC or eating a strip steak - with no regard for how the animal found it's way into that card board box or neatly wrapped grocery store package?
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12/6/2005  9:58 PM
^ Yes.

Like I said, animals being killed for food is accepted in society. Not only that, but depending on how they're killed, it could be done in as humane a way as possible.

Of course, there are examples where animals are flippantly tortured or mutilated in the process, which is deplorable.

But what Q did was premeditated, callously cruel, and self-serving in the most unnessecary way possible.



[Edited by - bobs3304 on 12-06-2005 9:59 PM]
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12/6/2005  10:05 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ Yes.

Like I said, animals being killed for food is accepted in society. Not only that, but depending on how they're killed, it could be done in as humane a way as possible.

Of course, there are examples where animals are flippantly tortured or mutilated in the process, which is deplorable.

What Q did was premeditated, callously cruel, and self-serving in the most unnessecary way possible.


Many atrocities are accepted by societies when they are doing it and many people in our society do not "accept" the way we treat the animal we eat. And as I said Q obviosly hung in a society (small "s") where dog fighting was acceptable.

Eating meat is also premeditated cruelty. Animals aren't treated in the most humane way possible in the meat industry they are treated in the most profitable way. So not only do we treat animals inhumanely for our pleasure we treat them even more inhumanly so we can eatem for less.

You might wanna see it as a lot different - I don't blame you - but to the animal it's about the same.
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12/6/2005  10:06 PM
^Animals eat other animals in the most savage ways.
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12/6/2005  10:24 PM
^ Ya....the only chink in your chain of logic Oldfan is that animals eat other animals.

It's called survival of the fittest. In fact, if some animals didn't keep the population of other animals in check, we'd have some serious eco problems.

Us killing deer is actually GOOD for the ecosystem.

So there are positives and negatives for killing animals for food.

I think we can all agree that what Woods did was neither neseccary or natural...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 12-06-2005 10:25 PM]
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12/6/2005  10:38 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ Ya....the only chink in your chain of logic Oldfan is that animals eat other animals.

It's called survival of the fittest. In fact, if some animals didn't keep the population of other animals in check, we'd have some serious eco problems.

Us killing deer is actually GOOD for the ecosystem.

So there are positives and negatives for killing animals for food.

I think we can all agree that what Woods did was neither neseccary or natural...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 12-06-2005 10:25 PM]


Producing meat the way we produce it not natural either. Eating the amount of meat we eat is also not natural. People have been fighting dogs since before written history - so maybe that's natural also. It's always easy to see the errs of everyone elses ways a little harder when the finger is pointed at you.
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[Edited by - MisterEarl on 12-06-2005 11:28 PM]
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bobs3304
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12/6/2005  11:41 PM
No Fan:


It's called progressive thinking.


To think or hint at that dog fighting is somehow "natural" is beyond me.

Starving dogs for money and pleasure to get them to kill eachother is the most UNNATURAL thing.

And while I'll agree that there are many examples of cruel and unnatural ways of producing food, it's a necessary business - food.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/7/2005  12:19 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

No Fan:


It's called progressive thinking.


To think or hint at that dog fighting is somehow "natural" is beyond me.

Starving dogs for money and pleasure to get them to kill eachother is the most UNNATURAL thing.

And while I'll agree that there are many examples of cruel and unnatural ways of producing food, it's a necessary business - food.


I'm not saying it's natural. I'm saying it's no less natural that the way we handle the animals we eat.

Meat by the way is not a necessary business - certainly not on the scale that we do it. And meat production has a negative impact on the amount of food available as the amount of land, food and other resources that go into fattening a cow could produce more food without the live stock.
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12/7/2005  12:23 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

No Fan:


It's called progressive thinking.


To think or hint at that dog fighting is somehow "natural" is beyond me.

Starving dogs for money and pleasure to get them to kill eachother is the most UNNATURAL thing.

And while I'll agree that there are many examples of cruel and unnatural ways of producing food, it's a necessary business - food.


As far as progressive thinking - yes it is. But it's much easier to see how others could benefit from progressive thinking then it is to apply to yourself (I'm not singling you out I eat meat also).
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12/7/2005  12:52 AM
If we quit eating meat our military would be a bunch of weak pussies. Need that animal protein to kick some ass.
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12/7/2005  1:08 AM
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12/7/2005  1:10 AM
^ The face of evil.

Meet Qyntel Woods ladies and gents.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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