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Bonn1997
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10/26/2005  11:39 PM
Yup; I must have missed those.
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10/26/2005  11:44 PM
Bogut tonight

17 pts 8 reb 3 assists 3 steals 7/10

outplayed marcus camby
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10/26/2005  11:45 PM
Posted by MX25:
Posted by tkf:

I am not confused at all, I am just confused with magloire being a top center. what the hell has this guy been tops at? I can name you 10 F/c in this league that are clearly better!!!
Well people like to say Curry is a top center. If they say he is. Magloire has to be too.


How is that? curry is a 22 year old kid who alreay is putting up the numbers, magloire is a 27/28 year old who has reached his peak. Do you think magloire has any dominant years ahead of him? come on now..


[Edited by - tkf on 10-26-2005 11:49 PM]
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10/26/2005  11:46 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Bogut tonight

17 pts 8 reb 3 assists 3 steals 7/10

outplayed marcus camby

Sounds like a player that does it all to me... pretty much exactly how I described Bogut on the previous page. Marcus Camby is held in high regard in this forum, must mean alot if Bogut outplayed him like that.
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10/26/2005  11:48 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Yup; I must have missed those.

me too...

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10/26/2005  11:49 PM
I wrote channing should avegerage 14+7 because he can. so many people have no clue about what they are talking about--they havent even seen the players play and they know the book on them. I guess if you have actually seen Channing play this pre-season, you would realize 14-7/8 is a very attainable goal if he is given fair and earned PT of 27-32 min

channing wa a pretty bad underacheiver in college who came on like gang busters the second half of last season. While I wanted Bynum because I believe and still do 1000000% that he has a legitimate chance to be a real superstar in this league, channing has a chance to be an all star type in his prime. Im not unhappy with channing--in fact I wish they would give him 35 minutes, because he would prove he could do 14-16+7-8
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10/26/2005  11:53 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I wrote channing should avegerage 14+7 because he can. so many people have no clue about what they are talking about--they havent even seen the players play and they know the book on them. I guess if you have actually seen Channing play this pre-season, you would realize 14-7/8 is a very attainable goal if he is given fair and earned PT of 27-32 min


Briggs you just answered my argument. IF he gets 27-32 minutes a game. IF he does then fine its very attainable. Everyone knows how Larry Brown plays rookies and if Channing gets the chance then YES its attainable, I want to see him get those kinds of mintues first. Don't bring up the people watching the games and "knowing the book on him" becuase I know thats directed at me and I watched the guy play for 4 years in college so I don't even wanna see that put down again. You think your the only person on this board who watches college basketball and your sorely wrong about that.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-26-2005 11:53 PM]
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10/27/2005  12:06 AM
I just find it funny at how different Knick boards and Net boards react to not only this trade but others. I went on few Net Boards to see how they reacted to the trade. 99% of them thought it was very good trade for Bucks. Yet on this board most don't like it. Pretty Interesting.
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10/27/2005  12:31 AM
Posted by MX25:

I just find it funny at how different Knick boards and Net boards react to not only this trade but others. I went on few Net Boards to see how they reacted to the trade. 99% of them thought it was very good trade for Bucks. Yet on this board most don't like it. Pretty Interesting.


Im not huge on magliore, but its a steal for milwaukee--come on their frontline is very good, their guards are very good, they have a great PG bobby simmons will take over mason's spot--its a very good team
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10/27/2005  12:37 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by MX25:

I just find it funny at how different Knick boards and Net boards react to not only this trade but others. I went on few Net Boards to see how they reacted to the trade. 99% of them thought it was very good trade for Bucks. Yet on this board most don't like it. Pretty Interesting.


Im not huge on magliore, but its a steal for milwaukee--come on their frontline is very good, their guards are very good, they have a great PG bobby simmons will take over mason's spot--its a very good team

Simmons is no better than Des Mason, that's a wash. So they've basically added Bogut and Magloire to a team that was worse than the Knicks last year. I'm not sold that they're a playoff squad. No way Magloire and Bogut are able to play next to each other, that's like people thinking JJ and Curry could play next to each other. Not enough mobility. So the Bucks are starting Joe Smith still. They're still relying on Toni Kukoc off the bench. They're hoping TJ doesn't fall down again. And Magloire only played 21 games last season.

You could say what have the Knicks added, but they've added three starters from 50 win teams, a top three coach in the league, three solid first rounders.
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10/27/2005  12:46 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by MX25:

I just find it funny at how different Knick boards and Net boards react to not only this trade but others. I went on few Net Boards to see how they reacted to the trade. 99% of them thought it was very good trade for Bucks. Yet on this board most don't like it. Pretty Interesting.


Im not huge on magliore, but its a steal for milwaukee--come on their frontline is very good, their guards are very good, they have a great PG bobby simmons will take over mason's spot--its a very good team

Simmons is no better than Des Mason, that's a wash. So they've basically added Bogut and Magloire to a team that was worse than the Knicks last year. I'm not sold that they're a playoff squad. No way Magloire and Bogut are able to play next to each other, that's like people thinking JJ and Curry could play next to each other. Not enough mobility. So the Bucks are starting Joe Smith still. They're still relying on Toni Kukoc off the bench. They're hoping TJ doesn't fall down again. And Magloire only played 21 games last season.

You could say what have the Knicks added, but they've added three starters from 50 win teams, a top three coach in the league, three solid first rounders.

We're hoping for much more than Milwaukee is--Curry's heart, Marb's leadership, Craw's intelligence, JJ's appetite, Q's jumpshot, Ariza's dribbling AND shot, Nate's maturity, Lee's shot, Frye's foul trouble...and that all of these guys will fit together...

[Edited by - Knight on 10-27-2005 12:46 AM]
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10/27/2005  1:02 AM
Posted by Knight:

We're hoping for much more than Milwaukee is--Curry's heart, Marb's leadership, Craw's intelligence, JJ's appetite, Q's jumpshot, Ariza's dribbling AND shot, Nate's maturity, Lee's shot, Frye's foul trouble...and that all of these guys will fit together...

[Edited by - Knight on 10-27-2005 12:46 AM]

I don't buy that the Knicks have as many question marks as some would say. Craw has been great in the pre-season - he's buying into his role. There's no reason to doubt Q fitting in - the Bucks have much more reason to doubt Simmons and Q is signed to a far more reasonable deal. I don't doubt Marbury's leadership at all. And Ford's spine is certainly more fragile than Curry's heart. The Knicks also have Larry Brown while the Bucks have Terry Porter, who is solid but not great. Larry Brown is great. Sure JJ is a dumb signing, but we aren't depending on him to be anything more than he is: a defensive pressence who can give us 20mpg, 5rpg and 2 blocks. Nate's maturity is fine. And Ariza is fine too. The only question in my head is who Brown actually starts and how long it takes him to figure out a rotation.
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10/27/2005  1:58 AM
They keep saying Bogut has all this experience in international competition and all the other BS.....dude needs to come in right away and do like Killa said and at least get Brad Dautery nembers.

Bogut is a center not a power fwd. The Bucks went and signed Gadzuric and then traded for Magloire......they are looking pretty dumb right now. If Bogut is so good why stockpile two starting centers? They needed to get a power fwd.

Maybe they couldn't and are gonna try to move Magloire or Gadzuric later but geez man....WTF? I tell you I would be pissed if I was a Buck fan. I would be wondering what the hell my team was doing.
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10/27/2005  7:25 AM
Frye is and will forever be better than bogut.

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10/27/2005  9:29 AM
I don't see how this is not a good deal for the Bucks. While I don't think it is a great deal for them, I do think it is a solid deal. Just look at that team now, very balanced if Ford stays healthy and they have good depth in the frontcourt which is very important in this league the last time I checked. This also puts Bogut in a position where he doesn't have to be the "man" right now. He can come off the bench and still do very well without a lot of the pressure that he would have had if he was starting and played 35 mpg on each night. Had the Bucks not signed Simmons and retained Redd, I could understand why some would think this is a bad trade, but, they are still very good at the wing positions so this move makes sense.
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10/27/2005  9:49 AM
Posted by MX25:

I just find it funny at how different Knick boards and Net boards react to not only this trade but others. I went on few Net Boards to see how they reacted to the trade. 99% of them thought it was very good trade for Bucks. Yet on this board most don't like it. Pretty Interesting.

What I find more interesting is your quote, period.


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10/27/2005  4:22 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Just because Bogut is a center and was picked first that doesn't mean that he has to play as well as those guys did, the logic there seems more then extremely off kilter, the Bucks would much rather Bogut learn the game and hone his skills then play a modest, the learning curve this way is quicker.
I am mainly responding to what people's predictions of him were before the draft. He was universally praised as being a guarantee of something special, and now that definitely seems to be moving along much slower than anticipated, but I don't hear anyone saying so. I hear people talking about him developing slowly when that has NEVER been how he was discussed.
Another thing, I don't recall this board being all over Bogut, in fact if I remember correctly there weren't many people on this board who even knew about him.
How could people not know about Bogut, that sounds ridiculous. Only people who really do not know anything about college ball wouldn't know who he was.
Another point, why is Briggs the authority on this manner? Just becuase he made a ridiculous request of Frye averaging 14 and 8 this year, which isn't to say that it isn't attainable, but HE'S A ROOKIE! The only thing he can do is do what the team asks of him. This NBA-Ready crap doesnt play in my book. If they were picking like that then the Cavs wouldn't have Lebron, they'd have Carmelo. The Magic wounldn't have Dwight Howard, they'd have Emeka Okafor. The Rockets wouldn't have Yao Ming, they'd have Jay Williams. The point of the draft is to pick the player that you feel has the best FUTURE I don't know where your disdain for Bogut comes from, probably from never watching a college basketball that had him in it or else you'd see the same thing the Bucks saw in the draft.

Briggs isnt the 'expert' on this matter, he just has many followers and when he says something, the lemmings are all hypnotized. So I respond to him, and that means his whole 'posse'.

Your arguments about Lebron, Howard, and Yao Ming don't really make any sense to me.


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10/27/2005  4:53 PM
you are right killa...there were people pretty much garunteeing he will be an all star this year...now they are nowhere to be seen.

I'm not into digging up old posts, but one thing is for sure, they are all singing a different tune now...how can nyk4ever try to say a center that is older than most college grads taken first in the draft is not expected to make a major impact asap.

That's just absurd.

You guys better man up now before bonn or I start digging up old posts (fishy...you gonna man up?)

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10/27/2005  5:26 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

you are right killa...there were people pretty much garunteeing he will be an all star this year...now they are nowhere to be seen.

I'm not into digging up old posts, but one thing is for sure, they are all singing a different tune now...how can nyk4ever try to say a center that is older than most college grads taken first in the draft is not expected to make a major impact asap.

That's just absurd.

You guys better man up now before bonn or I start digging up old posts (fishy...you gonna man up?)

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Age has nothing to do with this. It makes no difference how old you are if you've never played a game in the NBA. Sure staying in college helps kids becuase they learn how to play the game RIGHT, but Bogut was in college 2 years, he's from Australia and had to adjust to American style of play. When he did adjust which happened at the end of his freshman year and went to the end of this last college season. He didn't just play well he dominated the game with his fundamentals. Bogut is a different kind of player then all those centers that have been drafted at #1 before. Bogut is a throwback, he doesnt rely on power and athleticism, he relies on fundamentals which is refreshing, this is why alot of people don't know/like him, because he isn't flashy. I saw a poster on this forum yesterday trying to back up Jamal Crawford being a good player becuase he can throw a pass off the backboard to himself and dunk it. Too me thats absurd. Midway through this year you will see why Bogut was picked #1, I'm not going to be surprised if he takes sometime to adjust to the NBA becuase all rookies do.

I'm tired of hearing this "manup" crap. I come on this board, I state my view and I go with it. I came on here in January before 90% of this board even knew who Bogut was and stated my view and 10 months later and I'm not kiltering, Bogut will be a dominant player in the NBA. I also stated my view about Channing Frye before the draft and I said I wanted nothing to do with him becuase as it stood he in no way fit the Knicks offense, I said if the Knicks change to a more running offense then Channing Frye is the way to go. Well guess what 5 months later the Knicks have a new offense and Channing Frye is showing why Isiah picked him. I'm not trying to blow myself up here, I'm telling you that I'm going to manup.

I'm just on here to try and kick some knowledge.

Unlike you RV, I can come on here and spread some good basketball knowledge. The only thing I've seen you do is rehas information that other people post and run with it. So if you wanna try and tell me that I'm not "manning up" go ahead, it doesnt mean much coming from you.
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[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-27-2005 8:04 PM]
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10/27/2005  7:44 PM
I don't remember anyone expecting Bogut to be an allstar this year. Trust me I would not forget something like that
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