Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by djsunyc:

IF it was up to me, i would do something like fish said, throw frye at center. and sign someone like dale davis for 2 years $3 mil.

will we win a ton of games? nope, but it gives you options.

1. heaven forbid frye actually can play and hold the fort at the C spot.

2. we can get by with our 18 headed PF monster at the C spot for now.

3. and it gives us flexibility to go out and get someone later b/c we're not tied up with james for 5 years.

thank you... thats all I am saying. Its hard for some to understand... I get that. I thought we just drafted our center of the future, just wondering why we would spend $30mm to lock up a guy like James who we promised the starting job to.

again, we're NOT tied up with James for 5 years. He can be bought out like Shandon after about 2 years if he doesn't work out. Think of it as a 2 year $10 mil contract with a smaller buyout option than Shandon's contract if for some reason you're obsessed with contract length.

tied up on the books.
we buy out james, then that's just a WASTE of $6 mil on the cap.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by djsunyc:

IF it was up to me, i would do something like fish said, throw frye at center. and sign someone like dale davis for 2 years $3 mil.

will we win a ton of games? nope, but it gives you options.

1. heaven forbid frye actually can play and hold the fort at the C spot.

2. we can get by with our 18 headed PF monster at the C spot for now.

3. and it gives us flexibility to go out and get someone later b/c we're not tied up with james for 5 years.

thank you... thats all I am saying. Its hard for some to understand... I get that. I thought we just drafted our center of the future, just wondering why we would spend $30mm to lock up a guy like James who we promised the starting job to.

again, we're NOT tied up with James for 5 years. He can be bought out like Shandon after about 2 years if he doesn't work out. Think of it as a 2 year $10 mil contract with a smaller buyout option than Shandon's contract if for some reason you're obsessed with contract length.

tied up on the books.
we buy out james, then that's just a WASTE of $6 mil on the cap.

not that i would agree with buying him out, but do you really think that $6mil is going to affect anything? not anytime soon at least.

hope my GM could see past 3 months at a time.. sorry, thats what this is all about isnt it.

But since Isiah has said he will never responsibly manage the cap like winning teams do

That's just sad, desperate spin

Posted by fishmike:

hope my GM could see past 3 months at a time.. sorry, thats what this is all about isnt it.

I don't think James' contract is that bad in and of itself.

If we had 12 guys making his money, we'd have a $60m payroll.

Now, I will grant you that if Isiah pulls another Marbs & Penny type deal with TT or Pennys contract, then, yea, we're going to have reason to worry.

Posted by franco12:

Posted by fishmike:

hope my GM could see past 3 months at a time.. sorry, thats what this is all about isnt it.

I don't think James' contract is that bad in and of itself.

If we had 12 guys making his money, we'd have a $60m payroll.

Now, I will grant you that if Isiah pulls another Marbs & Penny type deal with TT or Pennys contract, then, yea, we're going to have reason to worry.

Yeah, I'd hate to have Larry Brown coaching a Marbury/Brand combo or something similar with an extra Penny contract on the bench. What a nightmare!

I'm sure it will happen too

No need to worry about making bad decisions because a) we have Larry B and b) we will trade our expiring contracts for Elton Brand.

Just a matter of time. Until then big game James mans the pivot

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Bonn1997:

But since Isiah has said he will never responsibly manage the cap like winning teams do

That's just sad, desperate spin

no its reality. I only see one team in the NBA that wins and doesnt closely manage their cap and thats Dallas. There are a lot of succesfull teams to look at, and how they got successfull. So far NONE have ever done it the way Isiah does. The sad spin is your logic is running out, so you revert to "fishmike is hater" type crap when all else fails.

It would nice if Isiah ran the draft and hired someone that has a clue about how to do business in the NBA

I think Dallas does manage their cap- they made a decision not to bring back Nash- they could have, I'm sure kept him and still gotten Damps- they just made a budgetary decision and their budget is bigger than most other teams.

I suspect there is some cap management going on with the knicks. I wouldn't be suprised if Penny & TT just don't expire.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Bonn1997:

But since Isiah has said he will never responsibly manage the cap like winning teams do

That's just sad, desperate spin

no its reality. I

You said Isiah said he would never manage the cap like a winning team. He might have said he will never get under the cap, but he didn't say the part about a winning team. You made up the part about him saying he wouldn't manage the cap "like a winning team." That's why it's sad spin from someone who I thought would be happy about the team's changes this summer. I guess there is a lot to hate about adding JJ, Q, Nate Robinson, Frye, Lee, and Larry Brown

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08/10/2005 17:40:50]

Posted by franco12:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by franco12:

Posted by fishmike:

hope my GM could see past 3 months at a time.. sorry, thats what this is all about isnt it.

I don't think James' contract is that bad in and of itself.

If we had 12 guys making his money, we'd have a $60m payroll.

Now, I will grant you that if Isiah pulls another Marbs & Penny type deal with TT or Pennys contract, then, yea, we're going to have reason to worry.

Yeah, I'd hate to have Larry Brown coaching a Marbury/Brand combo or something similar with an extra Penny contract on the bench. What a nightmare!

I'm going to disagree with you there if Brand comes over with an ugly scrub making Mo T or Penny like money for 3 or 4 years. There is a limit to how many of those kinds of deals a team can bear to take on.

What would be so bad about adding a player like Brand and Penny? What exact damage has Penny done to the team while being here. Be specific if you can.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Bonn1997:

But since Isiah has said he will never responsibly manage the cap like winning teams do

That's just sad, desperate spin

no its reality. I

You said Isiah said he would never manage the cap like a winning team. He might have said he will never get under the cap, but he didn't say the part about a winning team. You made up the part about him saying he wouldn't manage the cap "like a winning team." That's why it's sad spin from someone who I thought would be happy about the team's changes this summer. I guess there is a lot to hate about adding JJ, Q, Nate Robinson, Frye, Lee, and Larry Brown

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08/10/2005 17:40:50]

i think most people understood what he was saying, he said isiah will never manage the cap. then fishmike added, like a winning team. the point is teams like san antonio and detroit don't win championships by spending exorbitant amounts of money and taking on players that other teams give up on to build around. theyre in a good financial situation so that if need be they can lose some players and make free agent signings. I personally think the knicks would be better off with a flexible cap situation so that they could do what phoenix did - lose their one big contract (marbury) and get a key free agent and start over. that kind of flexibility is how a team in new york with an unlimited budget can avoid being a lottery team 4 or 5 years in a row.