Posted by BigSm00th:

OK guns, what if Green is the next DeShawn Stevenson? You just said a post before that you wanted Bynum, make up your mind.

Would everyone stop overreacing about two things:
a) summer league.
b) who we drafted.

Summer League --> This never tells anything. Qyntel Woods is a perennial (that is, until he had high stakes dog fighting matches at his house and got thrown out of the NBA) All-Star in Summer League, and its pretty routine that the players who do well in SL don't produce consistently. So would everyone please stop complaining about that. I can't remember one instance where Frye was set up in the post and was able to do his thing, Robinson dominated the game on the perimeter with his dribbling (not necessarily a bad thing). That shouldn't come as a shocker, b/c all SL games are dominated by guards. Dwight Howard was the best rookie in the NBA last year, and I would rather build my team around him than basically anyone else in the NBA save a few names (Wade, LBJ, Amare, etc), and he did nothing today. Should we proclaim Frye or Butler as the greatest post defender ever? No.

Who We Drafted --> Though Robinson looks like a bona-fide stud right now and Lee and Frye have both been marginal, can we give it AT LEAST ONE MONTH IN THE ACTUAL NBA before we start proclaiming Isiah to be an idiot again. Jesus, this is truly unbelievable, Frye plays a total of 40 summer league minutes and people are calling him a bust. Everyone relax.

Guns, I can give you a long list of names of players who "lit up the MCD's allstar game and dunk contest," starting with the aforementinoed DeShawn Stevenson, who was an outright disaster in the NBA.

Can't we stop living up to our reputation as fickle New Yorkers and just see how it plays out, for once?

What if Bynum is a total bust? What if Frye becomes a decent NBA player? What if Nate Robinson dunks Horace Grant and MJ? What if...

Its laughable that people on this board beg Isiah to rebuild and say they as NYers have the patience for it, and then there are 2 million responses to a Summer League game, which I bet myself and only 4-5 others watched, and the majority of the posts are about how we messed up the draft and should've gone a different direction.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 07/07/2005 19:51:45]

Posted by BigSm00th:

OK guns, what if Green is the next DeShawn Stevenson? You just said a post before that you wanted Bynum, make up your mind.

Would everyone stop overreacing about two things:
a) summer league.
b) who we drafted.

Summer League --> This never tells anything. Qyntel Woods is a perennial (that is, until he had high stakes dog fighting matches at his house and got thrown out of the NBA) All-Star in Summer League, and its pretty routine that the players who do well in SL don't produce consistently. So would everyone please stop complaining about that. I can't remember one instance where Frye was set up in the post and was able to do his thing, Robinson dominated the game on the perimeter with his dribbling (not necessarily a bad thing). That shouldn't come as a shocker, b/c all SL games are dominated by guards. Dwight Howard was the best rookie in the NBA last year, and I would rather build my team around him than basically anyone else in the NBA save a few names (Wade, LBJ, Amare, etc), and he did nothing today. Should we proclaim Frye or Butler as the greatest post defender ever? No.

Who We Drafted --> Though Robinson looks like a bona-fide stud right now and Lee and Frye have both been marginal, can we give it AT LEAST ONE MONTH IN THE ACTUAL NBA before we start proclaiming Isiah to be an idiot again. Jesus, this is truly unbelievable, Frye plays a total of 40 summer league minutes and people are calling him a bust. Everyone relax.

Guns, I can give you a long list of names of players who "lit up the MCD's allstar game and dunk contest," starting with the aforementinoed DeShawn Stevenson, who was an outright disaster in the NBA.

Can't we stop living up to our reputation as fickle New Yorkers and just see how it plays out, for once?

What if Bynum is a total bust? What if Frye becomes a decent NBA player? What if Nate Robinson dunks Horace Grant and MJ? What if...

Its laughable that people on this board beg Isiah to rebuild and say they as NYers have the patience for it, and then there are 2 million responses to a Summer League game, which I bet myself and only 4-5 others watched, and the majority of the posts are about how we messed up the draft and should've gone a different direction.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 07/07/2005 19:51:45]

Posted by gunsnewing:

I would've trusted Isiah had he drafted either Bynum, Green, Granger or Graham.

A 2nd power came into effect that forced him to make the safe pick since New York doesn't develop star talent. New York grooms young players to be role players to the overpaid under-achievers.

I doubt Deshawn Stevenson was as highly regarded as Green and did as well during the McD's game

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/07/2005 19:58:07]

Posted by tkf:

Posted by gunsnewing:

I would've trusted Isiah had he drafted either Bynum, Green, Granger or Graham.

A 2nd power came into effect that forced him to make the safe pick since New York doesn't develop star talent. New York grooms young players to be role players to the overpaid under-achievers.

I doubt Deshawn Stevenson was as highly regarded as Green and did as well during the McD's game

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/07/2005 19:58:07]

I can feel good by saying that I think no way in hell Graham will be a star in this league, granger I don't know, Bynum the same. Greene I like but really haven't seen enough of this kid, for christ sakes Webster was taken in the top 8, greene was there for the taking, It must not be the only one who didn't see the greatness in greene that most here seem to believe he has after watching one game...

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by BigSm00th:

OK guns, what if Green is the next DeShawn Stevenson? You just said a post before that you wanted Bynum, make up your mind.

Would everyone stop overreacing about two things:
a) summer league.
b) who we drafted.

Summer League --> This never tells anything. Qyntel Woods is a perennial (that is, until he had high stakes dog fighting matches at his house and got thrown out of the NBA) All-Star in Summer League, and its pretty routine that the players who do well in SL don't produce consistently. So would everyone please stop complaining about that. I can't remember one instance where Frye was set up in the post and was able to do his thing, Robinson dominated the game on the perimeter with his dribbling (not necessarily a bad thing). That shouldn't come as a shocker, b/c all SL games are dominated by guards. Dwight Howard was the best rookie in the NBA last year, and I would rather build my team around him than basically anyone else in the NBA save a few names (Wade, LBJ, Amare, etc), and he did nothing today. Should we proclaim Frye or Butler as the greatest post defender ever? No.

Who We Drafted --> Though Robinson looks like a bona-fide stud right now and Lee and Frye have both been marginal, can we give it AT LEAST ONE MONTH IN THE ACTUAL NBA before we start proclaiming Isiah to be an idiot again. Jesus, this is truly unbelievable, Frye plays a total of 40 summer league minutes and people are calling him a bust. Everyone relax.

Guns, I can give you a long list of names of players who "lit up the MCD's allstar game and dunk contest," starting with the aforementinoed DeShawn Stevenson, who was an outright disaster in the NBA.

Can't we stop living up to our reputation as fickle New Yorkers and just see how it plays out, for once?

What if Bynum is a total bust? What if Frye becomes a decent NBA player? What if Nate Robinson dunks Horace Grant and MJ? What if...

Its laughable that people on this board beg Isiah to rebuild and say they as NYers have the patience for it, and then there are 2 million responses to a Summer League game, which I bet myself and only 4-5 others watched, and the majority of the posts are about how we messed up the draft and should've gone a different direction.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 07/07/2005 19:51:45]

thank you! I for one am psyched that we have so much young talent to watch develop. People here can be ridiculous.

Posted by Knicksfan:

Boxscore not yet ready? How many rebounds Frye got?

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by gunsnewing:

I would've trusted Isiah had he drafted either Bynum, Green, Granger or Graham.

A 2nd power came into effect that forced him to make the safe pick since New York doesn't develop star talent. New York grooms young players to be role players to the overpaid under-achievers.

I doubt Deshawn Stevenson was as highly regarded as Green and did as well during the McD's game

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/07/2005 19:58:07]

I can feel good by saying that I think no way in hell Graham will be a star in this league, granger I don't know, Bynum the same. Greene I like but really haven't seen enough of this kid, for christ sakes Webster was taken in the top 8, greene was there for the taking, It must not be the only one who didn't see the greatness in greene that most here seem to believe he has after watching one game...

I get the feeling that a lot of people here limited themselves to nothing but C's over 6-11 and have no clue other than reports about players attitudes when it comes to wing players with star potential. It would also help their argument if they at least kew enough about Gerald Green to spell his name right.

As always the media talks about Frye and everyone limits themselves to drafting that one player and as always many stars like mcgrady, pierce, stoudemire, Artest, O'neal & Kobe are looked over in favor of the Tony Battie, Jason Collins, Foyle, Dampier's of the league

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/07/2005 21:10:54]

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by tomverve:

I was pretty disappointed that Jackie Butler wasn't getting the ball. Most of the time they had him setting picks at the top of the key. When he fought for position down low no one really looked for him. I want to see what this kid can do on the blocks-- so far, 3 FGA last game and 0 today. Give Butler the damn ball!

Oh yeah, Dwight Howard only had 5 rebounds in this game. Orlando should waive that bum by the morning.

its only 1 game. He's already proven that he can average a double-double in the nba but I agree he's got nothing on Okafur
And to think, Howard was being considered for the rookie of the year award. After that summer league performance I now realize that this would have been a tragedy!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/08/2005 00:39:55]