Posted by simrud:


Hardcore, if it was up to me I'd have anybody who walks around in a clan robe hanged on a tree, they arent any better.

You need to get over the fact that somehow because you are black you know more about prosectuion and suffering then anybody else. I grew up in a Russian ghetto in the middle of a post Soviet former republic, a country where anybody who is not Lativan (that's the country) is treated like trash. I bet I know more about segregation, opression, etc. then you, I actually leaved it, you most likley werent even born or were too young in the 60's.

LMAO you can tell me what happens to ppl over in Russia, but don't you dare get it twisted that people go though hell on a daily basis in the US. Yes I am black and CAN tell you about how it is to be here and feel that prejudice. You come to the U.S. and can fit right in, compared to someone whose ancestors were LITERALLY enslaved and still sees the crap that ppl have to put up with. Think what you want about a half a world away, but if we are discuussing the savagery in THIS country, it's not as rosy as some would have you believe. Usually those are the same people who have those prejudicial/racist issues themselves.

And as somebody from Europe, I can tell you that there is an irratinal hatred of America there, just like in the middle east. People hate America is it does not bring them freedom, and when it does, they hate because they do with force. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't, such is the destiny of superpower.

The reason why the world can't stand this country is quite simple.
Foreign Policy. That crap about "spreading freedom and democracy" is the same propaganda spewed after WWII while the goddamn Jim Crow Era was alive and well RIGHT HERE in the US.

Posted by simrud:

Anybody who thinks Iranian elections are real, let alone that the Iraninan president actually has any power are really ignorant.

The aytollah is the one really in power, he has an amrey of 200000 murdering goons who really controlt he nation.

Posted by OasisBU:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

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Posted by simrud:

I read your post about racims, and sadly it is true, but it is gettin better (in like 15 years white people arent even gonna be the majority anymore you know)

Are you saying white people are the problem and that if they are no longer the majority it will solve a lot of issues? Thats what your statment reads like...

I think race relations would be way better off if the 'powers that be' weren't so exclusively white in such a ethnically diversed nation. I mean, every president and/or person in power at the highest level has been a white male. If a country is very diversed I think race relations would be way better of if the people in power reflected what America really looks like.

So why havent China, England, Russia, France, etc had these problems? I dont think it is about one race or sex being in power, I think it has to do with the way the media portrays things, the way that society accepts certain acts of violence (IE racial profiling against blacks etc), the way society holds on to sterotypes that should have no place in modern society. I dont think it is as much of a power issue or a representation issue - as a white male in this country I dont feel the white males who have been in power represent me or my views on a lot of issues. Now I understand they are the same as me when you look at them - however I dont make money off oil, war, and hate - and I dont believe I should be taxed on my income, whenever i buy something, my house/land etc. That is a political thing not a race thing.

I dont disagree with you - I think this country has a long way to go before the race issue is even remotely worked on let alone solved - but I dont think its just a white thing. As you can see from this thread there are a lot of different aspects that must be considered when arguing over any topic.

The real issue is that America has forgotten where it came from, what is was founded on, why we are all here. Corporations have wrangled control from the government and no elected officials represent what the people truly desire.

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Posted by OasisBU:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

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Posted by simrud:

I read your post about racims, and sadly it is true, but it is gettin better (in like 15 years white people arent even gonna be the majority anymore you know)

Are you saying white people are the problem and that if they are no longer the majority it will solve a lot of issues? Thats what your statment reads like...

I think race relations would be way better off if the 'powers that be' weren't so exclusively white in such a ethnically diversed nation. I mean, every president and/or person in power at the highest level has been a white male. If a country is very diversed I think race relations would be way better of if the people in power reflected what America really looks like.

So why havent China, England, Russia, France, etc had these problems? I dont think it is about one race or sex being in power, I think it has to do with the way the media portrays things, the way that society accepts certain acts of violence (IE racial profiling against blacks etc), the way society holds on to sterotypes that should have no place in modern society. I dont think it is as much of a power issue or a representation issue - as a white male in this country I dont feel the white males who have been in power represent me or my views on a lot of issues. Now I understand they are the same as me when you look at them - however I dont make money off oil, war, and hate - and I dont believe I should be taxed on my income, whenever i buy something, my house/land etc. That is a political thing not a race thing.

I dont disagree with you - I think this country has a long way to go before the race issue is even remotely worked on let alone solved - but I dont think its just a white thing. As you can see from this thread there are a lot of different aspects that must be considered when arguing over any topic.

The real issue is that America has forgotten where it came from, what is was founded on, why we are all here. Corporations have wrangled control from the government and no elected officials represent what the people truly desire.

Here's where the contradiction comes in for me. If we go back to what America was founded on and why I am here....it's slavery. For black people, it's all about breaking away from what America was founded on in some ways. We all know the reason why blacks were here for the first three or four hundred years and what America was based on for black back then.

But, i do believe that making the highest form of power be represented by just one exclusive group (white males) you make it so that there are so many people who feel left out. Now you being a white male who disagrees with much of what people in power do or say is just as bad for you. But at the same time you'd have to believe that i stand less of a chance of being represented at that level than you. If you grow up in a minority neighborhood, especially if it's lower class (like i said, racism and capitalism go hand in hand and that has a vast history) you will most certainly feel left out when decisions are being made. My point is, if you diverify the people in power (people who REALLY have power) than you stand a BETTER CHANCE of more people being included. Everyone will never feel represented, but by having different types of people from differnt walks, different races and different concerns more groups of people will be included. I have never in my lifetime seen a president that had any understanding of where I'm from. It all starts with understanding. I may be wrong, but the president may not represent how you feel but he may have a relative from a neighborhood like yours. I doubt any president has every had someone in his family (whom he loves) be from my neighborhood. Or the Puerto Rican neighborhoods. Or the neighborhoods of so many of us who are not represent for the most part....as a group of people. Not as individuals.

Posted by DarkKnicks:

This thing about which country is the best one is ridiculous, and I think it has nothing to do with what happened today. Please, leave that issue.

Posted by OasisBU:



- This country was founded in defiance of another power controlling/owning the people who lived here.
- This country was founded to provide freedom for those who reside within its boarders.
- This government was formed by average joes who stood up for what they believed in and they formed something that would eventually become a world superpower.

Agreed on all points. But let me throw something else in here. How about the natives of this land? The native Americans who once populated this whole country. We talk about the haulicost (sp?) but there was a MAJOR one that was commited against the native Americans....and the Africans here on this land as well. So at the same time that people were coming here for freedom, people were being slaughtered because they didn't compare to the fire arms that were used against them. I cannot say that I totally understand their plight, but I am all ears when the topic is raised. After all, I am on the soil that their ancestors were murdered in cold blood. So, there will always be contradictions when it comes to how America operates. It's just that so many people aren't willing to understand and educate themselves about their fellow man. How can one know that they're stepping on my feet if they refuse look down? I unfortunatley believe that their will always be static among men because of this.

As for everyone being represented in the government, you're absolutely right. How can everyone be represented? But to me, it's as simple as this: we'll never know if we're not willing to find out. And until everyone is included their will always be anger. If you mistreat my father, I will become an extention of his plight. If you mistreat me my son will be an extention of my plight. Just like every generation of presidents have benifited from a system that came waaaay before them. Yet, they benifit from it. This has been passed down in the way America operates. This same thing happens with Islamic extremists. They're killing Americans and Americans are killing them. We will no doubt have a whole new generations of American kids (who's parent was killed by an Islamic extremist) and we will have a whole new generation of kids in the middle east (who's parent was killed by Americans). This goes on between African Americans and whites as well and also the natives and Israelis and Africans and Europeans. It has to end at some point.